Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Jun 15
In the not too distant future, WVU will likely have a chance to join the ACC. Right now WVU would have the votes.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 11h11 hours ago
What time frame is the not so distant future
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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ND.... it depends on ND.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 6h6 hours ago
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Then not so soon
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
Near future... 5-8 years... so not so soon.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
End of B12 GOR
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
And I dont think it matters what ND does
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
I think it does. ACC will not go to 16 without ND as 15.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 6h6 hours ago
Agree to disagree. WV is an asset, goves ACCN not only more content but better content & large fan base. How long did B1G play w/11.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
The problem is odd numbers are horrible on the schedule.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 6h6 hours ago
It is but still doable. Atlantic has FSU, Clem, Lou but Coastal has NC, VT. Coastal needs help. WV could do that. ND would be a bonus
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
ND is no fan of WVU and vice versa. Fortunately, WVU has Clemson, Pitt and VT pulling for them. See the 1994 story from NYT I tweeted.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 6h6 hours ago
Nothing ND can do if WV joins first
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
If you think through it you see a B12/P12 merger means more money for both than separately redoing new contracts.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
More than a few OU fans have criticized my take on OU's inability to get out of the GoR or why the price point may be too high for the B1G.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
For the Big 10 to expand again the schools added must at least add $102 million in new TV revenue.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Anything less than $102 million per year and B1G shares decline. That's not going to happen.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
You may point out - and rightly so - that the new B1G deal expires in 5 years.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
But we don't know how the market will respond or what role carriage fees will pay.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
It may be the B1G can only add revenue by going after OU... or the opposite could be true. The B12 may be in the better position.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
I do know - what I think is a valid why out of the GoR - but its less valid for OU and Texas.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
The fact is that the conference with the brand new TV deal makes more. That's why the SEC is last in network TV money. Oldest contract.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Right now the trend is for rights fees to decline and carriage fees to be less than what they are now.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
If those two factors continue to trend down then the Big 12 likely stays intact.
Boozy McWhitetrash @BoozyMac 7h7 hours ago
Law of diminishing returns.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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Exactly... $52M = ($728M / 14) pear year. Add 2 and that drops to $45M.
STLBYU @stlbyu 7h7 hours ago
Can you tell me how you calculated to get that number? I'm just trying to understand. What's the number to get in the B12 right now?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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See last tweet...just assume Michigan's number is correct.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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$51 x 2
Head Coach's Wife! @CoachsWifeASU 7h7 hours ago
Soooooo, you're saying the ACC is gon' be rich?!?!
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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If you believe Swofford.... yea..
Head Coach's Wife! @CoachsWifeASU 7h7 hours ago
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I believe anything anyone tells me ever.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
ESPN paid to lock down the ACC long-term. The money Swofford is pushing for ACCN maybe cheap in the long run.
STLBYU @stlbyu 7h7 hours ago
Can you tell me how you calculated to get that number? I'm just trying to understand. What's the number to get in the B12 right now?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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Sorry that's B1G. The magic number for the B12 is about $35M. Yes, BYU is worth that.
DFW @DerrikFredrick 7h7 hours ago
Personally I would rather see the Big XII intact with WV in the ACC/SEC.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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My opinion is that regardless of what happens to the Big 12 that WVU moves the ACC eventually.
DFW @DerrikFredrick 7h7 hours ago
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I do love the Big 12, but it's not where we belong, but what if the SEC comes calling?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Depends.
DFW @DerrikFredrick 7h7 hours ago
On? Maybe I'm wrong but if both offer I can't see WVU not whistling Dixie. Bonus: to stick it in the eye of Tobacco Roads.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
My personal opinion is that WVU is better off in the ACC. Many don't share that opinion.
DFW @DerrikFredrick 7h7 hours ago
I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I think culture wise WVU would be more at home in the SEC. what's the *earliest* ACC/SEC could hpn?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
No question WVU is, by culture, a SEC school.
DFW @DerrikFredrick 6h6 hours ago
Also unlike the ACC, I think the SEC actually wants WVU, but the timing is always off, and money/outside factors play into it.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
I know the SEC has interest. But the SEC isn't going to be a bad guy. They don't take risks either.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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@SeanboSengo
But the ACC will not go odd... and who but ND adds enough value? Plus the agreement ND has with the ACC.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
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They have option to join in football. No say in what current 14 football schools do
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
ACC cannot add WVU without ND. Scheduling is the issue there.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
It can be done. Even w 2 divisions, you can have a 3pod scheduling set up. 3 sets of 5 for sched purpose only. Play 2 from other sched pods.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Yes... also reduces those huge payouts. Freezes out G5 too. Which is what the P5 want.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
Agree to disagree. WV is an asset, goves ACCN not only more content but better content & large fan base. How long did B1G play w/11.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Swofford is on record saying the ACC would add another team with ND. He didn't say anything about adding without ND.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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WVU is... WVU has traditional rivalries with Pitt, VT, Syracuse and even BC. Natural rivalries with NCST, UVA & even FSU.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
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Exactly. You just made my point
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
4 B12 schools at or over $40M total. So T3 with something to Big 12 schools.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
I'm not talking radio, signage, sponsorships, just T3 tv
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Yea... that's what I'm talking about.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
We would have to go over those numbers again
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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WVU and Cuse had a heated rivalry once. Cuse was the only team Don Nehlen ever ran up the score on...
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
OU fans are some of the best in the world but they need to realize the B1G may not be the promised land & the B12 might not be bad.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
Depends on next contract. Does small B12 footprint hurt. How much is B1G contract on 5 yrs. Does SEC rev continue to increase. SEC new deal
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
My opinion is B12 only survives if it poaches or merges with Pac 12. Merger most likely.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
B12 makes more than PAC. Why would the bigger schools want to merge w/PAC if opportunity came to join B1G/SEC which make more money than B12
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV
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@SeanboSengo
Why? Expand footprint. Might be the only way to increase TV money.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
My assumption is that WVU and Baylor are not part of any potential merger.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
Remember your rule. Does it make conf more money, schools more, networks more. If not all 3 then no expansion or merger
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It does. Say T3 rights revert back to schools. Say TV contract is more because it would have largest footprint in college football.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
Just the very fact they merge would mean less inventory available and likely increase bidding.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
A merger is the only way both the Big 12 and Pac 12 see primary TV money increase. WVU will not be part of it...
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
Depends on next contract. Does small B12 footprint hurt. How much is B1G contract on 5 yrs. Does SEC rev continue to increase. SEC new deal
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
If you look at the problems each conf has its clear that some type of relationship between the B12 and Pac 12 solves the issues both have.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
A PAC merger would be nest for 6 of the 10 B12 schools but doubt it's better for OU, Tex, KU & diffently not WV.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
If you think through it you see a B12/P12 merger means more money for both than separately redoing new contracts.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
1. Reduction of inventory increases value. 2. More conf games for T3 or network 3. Better advertising rates.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
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@theDudeofWV
Thats what I said. But you need more than 1 school for a network. Not enough content individually aka LHN
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
A 20 school conf would have plenty of content.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
But less viewers on West Coast and much less passion. How does that help OU and Texas when compared to B1G or SEC
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Same way footprint helps the B1G.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
B1G didn't have an agreement for ND to rotate playing ACC schools in football. Adding WVU would mean fewer games with ND.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
ND is the big prize other than Texas. For whatever reason....
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
Baylor will be P5 until GOR runs out and no longer. Baylor will enforce GOR if its as strong as you have claimed
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
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@SeanboSengo
Yes they will. They will try. A friend at IMG has told me one way he thinks WVU could get out.
Seanbo Sengo @SeanboSengo 7h7 hours ago
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So is it iron-clad like has been claimef for years or not
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
I'll DM you.