Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
The ACC has legitimate interest in WVU. Think of the value WVU has to TV in the ACC. Rivalries with Pitt, VT, UVA, NCST, Syracuse.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
The WVU - Pitt/VT rivalries alone are must see TV. But as much as good as a fit as WVU is in the ACC the fact remains they are bound by GoR
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Here's a fact everyone forgets. OU & UT are bound by the GoR even more than the others in the B12. Why? They wrote it.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Being the authors of the GoR means they understood fully well what they are getting into.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
There is a video of Boren holding a presser about the GoR. He says very clearly OU wanted it to stop schools from leaving.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Boren campaigned for the GoR. So how would that play out in court?
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Here's what I know. OU would love to see WVU challenge the GoR on travel grounds.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Texas doesn't care. They don't want out but they don't care if the Big 12 folds at some point.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @flugempire @Expansion_Crush
Ask any ACC person who is on the short list for #16. It's 1. WVU 2. UCONN 3. UC.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @flugempire @Expansion_Crush
No question ACC would need to add 1 more with ND to have two 8 team divisions. No question greatest value is adding WVU with ND.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Any school trying to buy its way out of the GoR would lose more $ per year by doing so than they would make in new conference.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
But WVU has sovereign immunity which maybe the only legit challenge to the GoR combined with a geographical / opportunity argument.
hristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
The one caveat is this. If the ACC network is just digital then the Big 12 might just go ahead with plans to extend GoR only.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
If that happens you could see the B12 let WVU walk & cut Baylor then merge with the PAC 12.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
To me the 20 member B12-P12 merger is the most realistic scenario for many reasons.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Move Arz & Arizona State to the B12 division. Have 10 in each. 9 Div games plus 1 cross over.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Largest TV footprint in CFB. It would command as much money as B1G & SEC.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Plus UT & OU get to stay in the same div with the other Tx schools (sans BU) & OKST.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
For the PAC 12 a merger solves the timezone problem & increases revenues to match SEC & B1G.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Expansion is about making money for everyone - including TV. A B12/P12 merger with WVU going to the ACC does that. Nothing else does.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
The people I talk to honestly believe the B12/P12 merger is the only logical solution for both.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Here are the other issues. Texas doesn't want in the B1G. The SEC doesn't want OKST. The B1G doesn't want OU without UT.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Only Texas & ND have enough intrinsic value to TV to add $ to the TV contracts of both B1G & SEC.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Here's my final thought. I love the B12. WVU is a perfect fit aside from geography.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
But a merger with the PAC 12 or expansion with schools west of the Mississippi means WVU has more travel expenses.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV May 6
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
WVU's relationship with Pitt, VT, Syracuse, Clemson (Clements) & FSU (Jimbo) is a perfect fit.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 11h11 hours ago
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@DocBunyan @kylegoeke and
I'm not popular for this but OU doesn't have many options.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 11h11 hours ago
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@DocBunyan @kylegoeke and
B1G passed on OU. OU doesn't want P12 or ACC. SEC doesn't want or need OKST.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
Those who focus on OU's perceived unhappiness in the Big 12 miss the point entirely.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
OU isn't unhappy as a member of the Big 12. They are unhappy with the state of the Big 12 & the future of the conference.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
The B12's issue is Texas has always been on the catbird seat. UT controls it's own future therefore a healthy B12 isn't as important to them
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
Texas sees the Big 12 as convenient. Revenue isn't really a concern for them.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
OU fans don't want to believe it but the B1G has little interest because taking OU would likely shut the door on UT in the B1G.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
The SEC would take OU, but not if it means taking OKST too. The package deal cuts OU's value in half.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
The ACC isn't an option for OU & the B12 earns more than the P12.
DFW @DerrikFredrick 10h10 hours ago
Where does WVU play into the SEC/ACC picture if at all?
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
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@DerrikFredrick
WVU is always on the SEC radar. Missed the cut 3 times now. Many regret taking Mizzou over WVU.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 10h10 hours ago
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@DerrikFredrick
But the ACC is a better fit for WVU. Historic rivals Pitt, VT & Syracuse already in the conf.
STLBYU @stlbyu 6h6 hours ago
@theDudeofWV So what do you think will happen now to the B12 when the contract ends? I think they need to expand in order to stay together.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
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@stlbyu
The only way the Big 12 & Pac 12 can hope to match B1G & SEC revenues is to merge.
Kyle Goeke @kylegoeke 6h6 hours ago
Why won't Texas extend past 2025 then? Waiting to see what happens?
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush and
Texas is bound by a separate GoR with ESPN. The issue for UT is LHN money. How long does that continue.
Kyle Goeke @kylegoeke 5h5 hours ago
At the end of the day, Missouri has the tv viewers and geography against WV. WV would be on another island in the SEC. Not that you'd care
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
WV borders KY & sits close to Tenn.
Kyle Goeke @kylegoeke 5h5 hours ago
I need to get out a map. One thing is for sure: other than Rutgers and Louisville, Mizzou hit the realignment jackpot.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush and
The only reason Mizzou is in the SEC is Slive sold the SEC on TV. Otherwise they wanted WVU.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush and
Alabama & LSU even blocked the vote on Mizzou because they wanted WVU.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
I'm confused. Why would FOX, ESPN let WVU go to ACC? I would enjoy this if it took place but why would other Big 12 universities approve?
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@JuliusJ85224635 @kylegoeke and
Travel. ESPN/Fox pay the B12 the same regardless.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Alabama & LSU even blocked the vote on Mizzou because they wanted WVU.
Kyle Goeke @kylegoeke 5h5 hours ago
Thank god for mike slive then!
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@kylegoeke @Expansion_Crush and
I don't want WVU in the SEC. the ACC is a better fit. WVU doesn't have the resources to contend in the SEC. it could in the ACC.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
Thanks, So Big 12 schools would rather have Cincinnati because of travel? I know ACC travel would help us out. Hopefully this happens.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@JuliusJ85224635 @kylegoeke and
Texas, OU, OKST, & TT hate traveling to WV.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
So then why did they take us if a few years later they are willing to switch us with the Bearcats? I'm filling uneasy now.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Only if WVU could go to the ACC.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
What would Big 12 get out of the switch? Easier travel but Cincinnati is not West Virginia. Would have to be something more than travel.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Landscape has changed. WVU being allowed to leave would mean B12 has no lifespan past 2025.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
But if that is the case then why would Kansas State and others agree to do the switch? Why sign there own death warrant so to speak?
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Because they would want as much money as possible. UC wouldn't be a full member until 2025.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
How long would it take WVU to become full members in ACC?
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Depends on the deal.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
My point is that if the ACC wants WVU as 16 the only way WV gets out of the GoR is if B12 lets them walk.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
You make a good point Dude. I just don't think Texas would agree to switch. I think they like us a bit.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@JuliusJ85224635 @kylegoeke and
UT doesn't like the travel. Especially for hoops.
Julius Johnson @JuliusJ85224635 5h5 hours ago
Then Texas should not have taken us, but of course I'm glad they did. I feel uneasy about the future. But I think it works out for us.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Landscape has changed. The B12 was in a position to take the best football program available in 2011.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
TV ratings mattered more to B12 on the eve of a new TV contract. WVU far & away best option.
Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
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@theDudeofWV @JuliusJ85224635 and
Again B12 values WVU. Only let them leave if future is set. Either by UT & OU leaving or P12 merger.
ME: "Sovereign Immunity"