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#Big12 finally set a cutoff date, apparently at July 1st for #Pac12 teams to either move or stay, but this should be done one way or another by then. Thank goodness...I want my life back!!

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I've always said that if I ever get old and sick enough that I don't want to live. So without #USC, #UCLA, #Ducks, #UDub, #Buffs and #BearDown, does the rest of the #Pac12 schools even want to survive at that point?!

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Anyone else think Swarbrick chose now to bow out, so that when #NotreDame eventually joins the #B1G he won't be the one to make that move. Will the Irish even get what they want from
@NBCSports?

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What caused the #Buffs to reschedule (date/time TBA) their meeting? Apparently the #B1G is having very serious talks with both the #Ducks and #UDub and that's causing consternation in the P12 world. #Shocked
 
Memphis is not a threat. They're another so-so team in the central time zone. 10/14 of the current big 12 are in that time zone. Adding another central does not expand the footprint of your conference.
 
Slasher said:
Memphis is not a threat. They're another so-so team in the central time zone. 10/14 of the current big 12 are in that time zone. Adding another central does not expand the footprint of your conference.
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Agree. Flugar still does not have them in the PATC theatre. He says tbe order is CO, AZ, ASU, UTAH & then UCONN. Swaim says no Memphis this time around.
 
Urcea said:
It’s more preferable than SDSU
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Aside from Memphis’ relative proximity to CT, what’s more preferable versus SDSU and San Diego?

Final 4 SDSU vs Hardaway
Football programs, toss up
Destination, nope
Academic rep, not close
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Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Aside from Memphis’ relative proximity to CT, what’s more preferable versus SDSU and San Diego?

Final 4 SDSU vs Hardaway
Football programs, toss up
Destination, nope
Academic rep, not close
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Arguably better brand but basically it’s east of the Mississippi rather than on the west coast
 
Urcea said:
Arguably better brand but basically it’s east of the Mississippi rather than on the west coast
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Noted relative proximity in previous question, but which university and athletic program potentially adds more value in Big XII, Yormark, consultants, university leaders/advisory calculations?

#30 San Diego market vs #52 Memphis? West coast school for late game broadcast. Possible alumni and other fans of other schools (e.g., military?, LDS? etc)? Relative SD vs Memphis socioeconomic spending potential? Don’t know, thought you might have and share some helpful insights.
 
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WestCoastHusky said:
Yes if we go with Memphis only it will just be a super AAC with much more money.

B12 will be much more attractive if they can get some of the Pac-12 teams.
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[Shrugs]. We go either way.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
Yes if we go with Memphis only it will just be a super AAC with much more money.

B12 will be much more attractive if they can get some of the Pac-12 teams.
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So in retrospect, was the AAC worth more money? Did Aresco screw up? I’m not saying the AAC was worth 40M a year but it seems it was worth more than the deal he struck.
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Noted relative proximity in previous question, but which university and athletic program potentially adds more value in Big XII, Yormark, consultants, university leaders/advisory calculations?

#30 San Diego market vs #52 Memphis? West coast school for late game broadcast. Possible alumni and other fans of other schools (e.g., military?, LDS? etc)? Relative SD vs Memphis socioeconomic spending potential? Don’t know, thought you might have and share some helpful insights.
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Just from experience I would say that Memphis alumni and those who attend sporting events in general don't live in the city limits of Memphis for the most part. They live in Germantown and Collierville which both have average household incomes north of 100,000. They also in DeSoto county Mississippi just South of the border. Memphis supports a pro basketball team which has something about disposable income and where it goes.
 
If the P12 holds together at 10 for a 5-6 year deal, it seemingly becomes a bridge to what?

1) for Oregon/Wash a bridge to the B1G
2) for CO, AZ, etc more time to evaluate a B12 future
3) for all the others, more time to look at an ACC-PAC dual coast conf.

Somehow we will get to a P2, P3 or P4 world by 2030...someone will fold/melt/dissolve/partner us down to 4.
 
Exit 4 said:
If the P12 holds together at 10 for a 5-6 year deal, it seemingly becomes a bridge to what?

1) for Oregon/Wash a bridge to the B1G
2) for CO, AZ, etc more time to evaluate a B12 future
3) for all the others, more time to look at an ACC-PAC dual coast conf.

Somehow we will get to a P2, P3 or P4 world by 2030...someone will fold/melt/dissolve/partner us down to 4.
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Their hope (basically what all members of the P-12, ACC & B-12 who know they won't have a home in the SEC or B1G hope) is that when the big two complete their final expansions, their current home will take members from one (or both) of the other two.

At the moment the B-12 is in a position to grab B-12 schools. The possibility exists that in 8-10 years the situation could reverse. This is what is keeping whoever plans on remaining in the P-12 long term are hoping for.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Their hope (basically what all members of the P-12, ACC & B-12 who know they won't have a home in the SEC or B1G hope) is that when the big two complete their final expansions, their current home will take members from one (or both) of the other two.

At the moment the B-12 is in a position to grab B-12 schools. The possibility exists that in 8-10 years the situation could reverse. This is what is keeping whoever plans on remaining in the P-12 long term are hoping for.
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Yes, exactly.....there will be a short reprieve on CRA after this current situation settles....very short and then we will spend the balance of this decade on that three way battle of the P12-B12-ACC for who kills who to survive.

And you can see scenarios where BC, Washington St and Oregon State are left behind....

In banking parlance, the P12 is in "extend and pretend" mode.
 
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Stinger92860 said:
So in retrospect, was the AAC worth more money? Did Aresco screw up? I’m not saying the AAC was worth 40M a year but it seems it was worth more than the deal he struck.
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If he could’ve gotten more money he surely would’ve. Good teams, good football but it is a case of take it or leave it. The networks had the upper hand.
 
The biggest issue with the AAC media deal (which set the ball in motion for our departure from the AAC) was that the deal, especially on the surface, looked more than adequate to everyone other than us.

We were receiving a decent amount of money from SNY for tier three content (women's hoops, non conference home football games) that under the new contract would be part of what ESPN would stream on ESPN. While every other school in the conference would see an increase (which most felt was sufficient) we would have lost a good amount of revenue as we could no longer sell content to SNY.
 
It was a very bad deal for UConn and they did the right thing in leaving. Had the deal been different we might not have left. This point is often forgotten
 
MemphisBlues said:
… Memphis alumni and those who attend sporting events live in Germantown and Collierville which both have average household incomes north of 100,000. They also in DeSoto county Mississippi just South of the border. Memphis supports a pro basketball team which has something about disposable income and where it goes.
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OK, but the specific comparative questions directly focused on SDSU versus Memphis the school, their respective athletic programs, and the 2 metropolitan areas’ and media markets’ relative attributes as Big XII candidates.
 
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businesslawyer said:
It wasn't worth more than what the highest bidder was willing to pay him. By definition.
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Technically, yes, assuming equal bargaining power and that both are reasonably knowledgeable and not under constraint. Still, we see plenty of instances where an individual is able to create value by repackaging or rethinking a paradigm. Yormark seems to be doing that right now.
 
Stinger92860 said:
But did he work for the highest bid? I work in sales and as a lawyer you would know negotiation is a key process to get to final price.
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The guy is a well thought of pro who had to report his activities to the schools he worked for. What reason is there to assume that the process wasn't run in at least a reasonably professional manner?
 
Stinger92860 said:
But did he work for the highest bid? I work in sales and as a lawyer you would know negotiation is a key process to get to final price.
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Of course he did. The networks have paid big money to P5 conference and the G5 are an afterthought. They want and did get them for as little as possible.
 
businesslawyer said:
The guy is a well thought of pro who had to report his activities to the schools he worked for. What reason is there to assume that the process wasn't run in at least a reasonably professional manner?
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The reason for my question is that the top portion of the AAC is now receiving what will be over 40M per years, so someone thought their value was significantly higher. This allows me to speculate that he may have been able to drive a better deal. People do make mistakes and not everyone is a skillful negotiator despite their other talents. I’ve seen it many times.
 
Stinger92860 said:
The reason for my question is that the top portion of the AAC is now receiving what will be over 40M per years, so someone thought their value was significantly higher. This allows me to speculate that he may have been able to drive a better deal. People do make mistakes and not everyone is a skillful negotiator despite their other talents. I’ve seen it many times.
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Two things. One, the name of the conference matters, not just the schools. Butler and Xavier are in the Big East because, rightly, the powers that be figured that if you called them Big East members playing Big East games, far more folks would watch them than if they were playing MCC or A-Ten games.

Second, each of Houston, UCF and Cincy used their time in the ACC to vastly elevate their programs on the field. Unfortunately, we went the other way.

Look — no one is perfect. If your ant to believe someone else could have done 10% better, fine. But if ESPN got the American for 50% of its real value, someone else would have outbid them.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Two things. One, the name of the conference matters, not just the schools. Butler and Xavier are in the Big East because, rightly, the powers that be figured that if you called them Big East members playing Big East games, far more folks would watch them than if they were playing MCC or A-Ten games.

Second, each of Houston, UCF and Cincy used their time in the ACC to vastly elevate their programs on the field. Unfortunately, we went the other way.

Look — no one is perfect. If your ant to believe someone else could have done 10% better, fine. But if ESPN got the American for 50% of its real value, someone else would have outbid them.
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Ant? It’s a reasonable question. Are you related to aresco? Honest question to you.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Ant? It’s a reasonable question. Are you related to aresco? Honest question to you.
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Sorry. "If you want ..."

No, of course not. wouldn't know who he is if I walked by him. I just have done enough negotiations to know that competent people negotiating for other people don't leave vast percentages of what is obtainable on the table. And, as someone who negotiates for a living, I'm not a big fan of people who aren't in the room deciding that those who are must have materially screwed up. It's a cheap party trick. Plus, if he did materially screw up, his member schools wouldn't have taken the deal.
 
businesslawyer said:
Sorry. "If you want ..."

No, of course not. wouldn't know who he is if I walked by him. I just have done enough negotiations to know that competent people negotiating for other people don't leave vast percentages of what is obtainable on the table. And, as someone who negotiates for a living, I'm not a big fan of people who aren't in the room deciding that those who are must have materially screwed up. It's a cheap party trick. Plus, if he did materially screw up, his member schools wouldn't have taken the deal.
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I cede superiority to you (never) cheers, enjoy the weekend
 
hoopsfan22 said:
I was thinking this as well. The little catholic schools outnumber us and could make the exit fee $100 million if they want. What are we and our one vote going to do about it?
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I’m no lawyer but I think we could find a legal remedy for something that blatant.
 
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