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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 55m
SBJ:

“Fox will have the main package and its deal will feature at least as many games as its current deal, probably more.”

“….conference still is trying to sell one, two or possibly three more packages to other suitors.”

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 55m
SBJ:

“traditional media companies CBS, ESPN and NBC have taken meetings with the Big Ten and Fox Sports.”

“On the digital front, Amazon and Apple also have had discussions with the Big Ten.”

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 55m
USC is watching….and talking.

Matt Todd@toddsinator15 · 51m
Does Kansas have any chance?

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 48m
Yes.
 


Jared W Orskog@OrskogW · 1h
I read it a few times and something is perplexing for me. Why is Fox negotiating for the conference or better yet why'd the conference get a deal done with Fox separate first?

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 43m
It’s almost exactly what happened in 2017. FOX Sports got 1st half of Big Ten package with astronomical number…2nd half was put out there in open market…ESPN had to match FOX’s number to get 2nd half of package and they eventually caved in and gave Big Ten what they wanted.
 


Chicago Jayhawk@chitownJhawk · 40m
Do you see Kansas getting in the mix as possible expansion yet?

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 36m
I would say they are in the mix.

USC is lead dog. Lots of it depends on USC’s upcoming decision and they have different options and some leverage.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 16m
One more point for this evening:

Lots of steam out there FOX Sports ownership of BTN actually increased in last year…from 51% to possibly 61%.

My speculation (only) it might make it easier in greasing skids to get BTN on possible streaming network…example: Amazon or Apple+

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 11m
I’m sorry..1 more point

Amazon is in talks with Big Ten for streaming deal according to SBJ…but keep this in mind…

Amazon doesn’t currently have infrastructure to produce its own live Football games. NBC will produce Thursday Night NFL games for Amazon starting in 2023.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire ·9m
Replying to @flugempire
So if Amazon wants to have small package of Big Ten games they will need an NBC to do produce the games…

Or….

Use Big Ten network which has the infrastructure….for a pretty penny.

Lots to discuss for next week.

Dan Adams@DanAdam16613173 · 11m
Replying to @flugempire
I’d assume FOX would do the same for Amazon if needed.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 9m
Maybe…or NBC who wants their own small package of Big Ten content to do double headers on 7 Saturdays with Notre Dame home games….or maybe BTN.

Dan Adams@DanAdam16613173 · 7m
CBS will bid hard after losing the SEC. They’re currently out of action on Saturday’s. I’d assume the other “winner” here would gladly help the streaming side.
 
M H ver3@M H ver3 · Apr 18
Fox sports advising B1G to expand and USC and UCLA are the prime candidates being eyed (as I told you 6+months ago). How B1G will they go though?

M H ver3@M H ver3 · 21h
Looking like the fabled Alliance between ACC/B1G/ and PAC has fizzled out before it could begin. $$$ talks.

M H ver3@M H ver3 · 21h
Talk from inside the B12 is that indications are that Luck will replace Bowlsby and that a renewed GOR is being pursued for the new tv contract. Expansion is not over. WVU steadfast against a new GOR.

Andy Olsen@Andysbbqpit · 21h
Also I would take Oregon or Stanford over UCLA. And why would WVU be against grant of rights? If you think it hurts them from going to the ACC, tough shit. It’s time for WVU to pay up to the B12 for giving them a roof over their head. They sign now or they can go G5. Screw’em!!

M H ver3@M H ver3 · 20h
When the music stops WVU may find themselves in the ACC and B12 may find themselves with some west coast schools of prestige. WVU will hold out on the GOR as long as they can.
 
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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 10h
BTM

“NIL is effecting all aspects of college sports. It will also leave its mark in realignment. Majority of donors won’t be doubling dipping into their own pockets to sustain their level of commitment towards Athletic Departments while contributing to NIL activities.”

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 10h
BTM

“Donations to general funds of Athletic Departments nationwide have already seen a slight dip while NIL Collectives are being built. This gap in funding, coming off the deficit in revenues due to pandemic, has left some Athletic Directors in despair.”

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 10h
BTM

“Football Programs with steep expectations who have donors committed to elevating their NIL collectives to highest level need to have their Athletic Departments maximize all revenue streams with largest one being media bucket”

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 10h
BTM

“The enduring commitment to NIL activities by donors may only exist if donors see same commitment by Athletic Department they support. Athletic Departments have mounting pressure to maximize their value in new world. See Oklahoma and Texas and their move to SEC”.

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 10h
BTM

“Pay to Play court rulings could inject more direct costs on Athletic Departments. It has become imperative all options of realignment for schools such as USC, Oregon and Washington be looked at and those options leveraged against one another to secure their futures.”

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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 2h
Replying to @flugempire
Unpacking:

1) High value ACC schools want to have opportunity to jump to SEC or Big Ten can’t because of ACC GOR which last until mid 2030’s.

2) If Notre Dame joined conference it wouldn’t be SEC.

3) Current NIL landscape is unsustainable.

tcb@TCBnole · 1h
Replying to @flugempire
can't YET....they can. The believe that 14 years from now is unbelievable distant is off. 14 years in the past wasn't doesn't seem that far to me now. It will close quick.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 1h
The problem is 14 years is more costly than 14 years previous. The gap has grown to where 14 years can = 700 million dollar difference. But I understand what you are saying.

tcb@TCBnole · 1h
100% true. The schools that have to wait that long should be fighting to get out. But they were stupid enough to get in..so I'm not sure they have figured out how dire the situation is. The SEC/B1G have to decide if they are better off killing off competition or going beyond that


@Expansion_Crush ·2h
Replying to @flugempire
He mentioned conferences cutting underperforming schools that don't add value. That won't happen in the B1G, Pac12 or SEC. It could happen in the ACC.

@Expansion_Crush · 2h
It won't happen because the B1G and SEC got their money in spite of having those schools and the Pac12 because they don't really have options, they'd be killing the conference if they eliminated schools.

❄ Seth A ❄@KUandUofAfan · 1h
The Big 12 is probably in the same boat as the Pac-12. Current (and future members) would be locked in unless they decided to voluntarily leave.


@Expansion_Crush · 2h
Replying to @flugempire
It's coming before 2030

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
way before then. And he is talking about ACC schools.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 2h
How?

None of these ACC schools can bring their individual media rights with them to new conference until 2036. Unless they gather 300 million dollars to give to ACC to get out of GOR. Even then they still wouldn’t come out ahead for next 15 years.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
I'm talking about the starting process before it's all done in the end. The end will be the ACC schools and everyone will know what will happen by the time those schools do their thing. The rest will have already taken place, including the separation away from the NCAA.
 


college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
and you will see the Pac 12 schools (already tweeted who those are) join the Big Ten. Eventually the ACC schools. I already talked about all of this last summer. It becomes one large conference and then the SEC + ACC schools.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
and Yes Kansas will be included in the breakaway. Their basketball brand is too valuable to leave behind.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
The only question that I have is how many Pac 12 schools decide they don't want to deal in the new world of college athletics at the highest level? Stanford sure as hell isn't going to. Nor will California. UCLA is an unknown, IMO. Oregon will. USC will. Washington?

college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
Utah doesn't have the infrastructure. They will be out. Colorado will push to join due to academic alignment with the Big Ten. The Arizona schools are an unknown.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
The other big question is, do all Big Ten schools join the eventual break away? Like I said, I can't leak the news right now, but the answer is no and I can't name who it is.

Justin Shufflebottom@Shuffleb3Justin · 1h
Replying to @Genetics56
Is Nebraska safe?

college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
100%

Justin Shufflebottom@Shuffleb3Justin · 1h
Stupid question but wanted to make sure.
 


college football fan@Genetics56 · 5h
And I am being serious. The new division will not include schools with that type of mindset.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
Getting left behind is the right answer. If Wisconsin football (more the univeristy) doesn't want to play the money game in the NIL era, there is no chance in hell they will be invited to the new division.

Colten Bartholomew@CBartWSJ · 4h
I disagree with the last assertion. They've been too successful to get left out in a new alignment. And they're allowing just about everything for enrolled athletes in terms of NIL, so it's not like they're just sitting out of the new world.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
If you aren't willing to engage in money with recruits, the new division that will happen will not be the right mindset. It will be like-minded universities and that will require money for high school and portal recruits.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
People always ask if all Big Ten schools will make it to th eventual split for the new division. The answer is NO. And it's going to be a NO for more than people realize. Same with Pac 12. And, no, the Boise State and UAB's of the world will not be in the new divison.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
With the new division that is coming, you will need to have the mindset in leadership to have a Oregon Ducks Athletics, Inc, Nebraska Cornhuskers Athletics, Inc., etc. That WILL include money going to recruits at the high school and portal, and not just football.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
allowing players to make money and all of that for an enrolled student is NOT what the new division will be about. Much MORE than that. Independent athletic brands, independent university sports entity for all sports at the university, NIl deals to recruits and portal players.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
The following universities are the only ones with a 100% lock to the eventual new division: AL, LSU, TN, UGA, FL, UT, OU, Aub., Ark, Ole Miss, A&M, UNL, MI, OSU, PSU, MSU, Miami, USC, Oreg. And, no Notre Dame is NOT a lock. There's a ton of academic elites that will say no.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
For the elite academic schools, there's going to be a lot of clash happen between what they want the university mission to be and they will sit this out (students/athletics can still get paid obviously). Vandy, UNC, Duke, Stanford, Cal, and the like are highly likely to say no.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
Many, many years ago there was a time when some of the biggest university names in our country decided not to go down the path that the Alabama's of the world now live in. We are going to once again live through a time when a major split happens between university missions.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
there's going to be a lot of players on teams in the new division that make more than their position coach.
 


college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
USC reps appose the bill. This is going to get ugly. But once again, it points to the eventual split and YES IT IS GOING TO BE UGLY AND PAINFULL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE

college football fan@Genetics56 · 1h
Take note of this as the future is going to be Ohio State Buckeyes Athletics, Inc, Oregon Ducks Athletics Inc., etc.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 59m
The "folks" read my tweets. I'm told Washington has the support from the state legislature and university leadership to push forward into a pay-to-play environment in the NIL era.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 55m
To end the night of tweets, I still can't believe Wisconsin athletics are still fighting against the recruiting side of NIL. , Miss schools can now directly communicate with 3rd parties, recruits can enter NIL deals upon verbal commitment, etc. But the Badgers....cont.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 54m
but the Badgers think they are better than everyone else and are ok with enrolled students making money, but the mere thought of paying someone to attend your school as an athlete is just too much for them. All they are doing is putting into themselves into a RIP status.
 
CAtlantic said:


college football fan@Genetics56 · 5h
And I am being serious. The new division will not include schools with that type of mindset.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
Getting left behind is the right answer. If Wisconsin football (more the univeristy) doesn't want to play the money game in the NIL era, there is no chance in hell they will be invited to the new division.

Colten Bartholomew@CBartWSJ · 4h
I disagree with the last assertion. They've been too successful to get left out in a new alignment. And they're allowing just about everything for enrolled athletes in terms of NIL, so it's not like they're just sitting out of the new world.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
If you aren't willing to engage in money with recruits, the new division that will happen will not be the right mindset. It will be like-minded universities and that will require money for high school and portal recruits.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
People always ask if all Big Ten schools will make it to th eventual split for the new division. The answer is NO. And it's going to be a NO for more than people realize. Same with Pac 12. And, no, the Boise State and UAB's of the world will not be in the new divison.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
With the new division that is coming, you will need to have the mindset in leadership to have a Oregon Ducks Athletics, Inc, Nebraska Cornhuskers Athletics, Inc., etc. That WILL include money going to recruits at the high school and portal, and not just football.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
allowing players to make money and all of that for an enrolled student is NOT what the new division will be about. Much MORE than that. Independent athletic brands, independent university sports entity for all sports at the university, NIl deals to recruits and portal players.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
The following universities are the only ones with a 100% lock to the eventual new division: AL, LSU, TN, UGA, FL, UT, OU, Aub., Ark, Ole Miss, A&M, UNL, MI, OSU, PSU, MSU, Miami, USC, Oreg. And, no Notre Dame is NOT a lock. There's a ton of academic elites that will say no.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
For the elite academic schools, there's going to be a lot of clash happen between what they want the university mission to be and they will sit this out (students/athletics can still get paid obviously). Vandy, UNC, Duke, Stanford, Cal, and the like are highly likely to say no.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
Many, many years ago there was a time when some of the biggest university names in our country decided not to go down the path that the Alabama's of the world now live in. We are going to once again live through a time when a major split happens between university missions.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
there's going to be a lot of players on teams in the new division that make more than their position coach.
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This would be of no interest to me. I’d rather watch the NFL. Am I in the minority?
 
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Stinger92860 said:
This would be of no interest to me. I’d rather watch the NFL. Am I in the minority?
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Nope. In fact, I’d say you are a member of the vast majority. That’s why the above proposal will never happen. The second you nakedly make college teams de facto semi pro teams, they lose their brand value. Which isn’t to say that there won’t be more incremental creep over time.
 
CAtlantic said:
college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
The following universities are the only ones with a 100% lock to the eventual new division: AL, LSU, TN, UGA, FL, UT, OU, Aub., Ark, Ole Miss, A&M, UNL, MI, OSU, PSU, MSU, Miami, USC, Oreg. And, no Notre Dame is NOT a lock. There's a ton of academic elites that will say no.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
For the elite academic schools, there's going to be a lot of clash happen between what they want the university mission to be and they will sit this out (students/athletics can still get paid obviously). Vandy, UNC, Duke, Stanford, Cal, and the like are highly likely to say no.
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The B1G is so solidified as a conference I don't think it would split regardless of what else happens. I suppose there is no reason the academic and athletic sides have to be one.

"The Big Ten Academic Alliance (BTAA), formerly the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC), is the academic consortium of the universities in the Big Ten Conference.[1] The consortium was renamed on June 29, 2016."

"On June 29, 2016, the name of the consortium was changed from "Committee on Institutional Cooperation" to "Big Ten Academic Alliance".[2] The University of Chicago, a former Big Ten Conference member and former member of the CIC, is not a member of the rebranded consortium, but continues to participate in programs through an affiliation agreement."
 
CL82 said:
Nope. In fact, I’d say you are a member of the vast majority. That’s why the above proposal will never happen. The second you nakedly make college teams de facto semi pro teams, they lose their brand value. Which isn’t to say that there won’t be more incremental creep over time.
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These so called super elites of 30 to 40 will do alright for a few years. But the majority of people who no longer have a vested interest will tune out.
This semi pro group will lose TV and streaming dollars. The true pros are better, and will get the money.
Some people will go bankrupt, and for some schools it will be to late to go back.
 
What will this trend mean for UConn. Will we be able to get into the ACC or B10 more easily if others leave?
 
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Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 5h
BTM

“USC has leverage and they are using it to their advantage. Trojans going to Independent Football under ESPN or Amazon’s umbrella seems far fetch to some but the mere threat is enough to make people ponder moving off previous positions.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 5h
BTM

“How much value does Rose Bowl maintained for Big Ten if USC commits their Football program to Independence? FOX and Big Ten carries risks with no action.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 5h
BTM

“Once new Big Ten media deal is set and announced the phones will be lit up. Bohn will know what number PAC will need to hit to keep USC aboard. Warren will have new PAC valuation numbers from FOX. FOX will know how much B1G content they have acquired.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 5h
BTM

“Oklahoma and Texas’s phone call to Sankey caused waves in Power 5 Football which led to ripples in G5. SEC felt they had to act on the call. What is Warren’s reaction to USC’s call? It can’t be dismissive. He won’t survive in his seat if he is dismissive.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“The power of the new Big Ten media contract just won’t rest on the dollar figures or the assurance of maximum exposure. It will also derive its power from again being a shorter deal. It won’t go until 2034 or 2036 as in SEC & ACC deals with ESPN”.
 
USC to B1G ? UGH
The handbasket is being woven for football's vehicle to it's next destination.


And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
 
billybud said:
USC to B1G ? UGH
The handbasket is being woven for football's vehicle to it's next destination.


And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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Do you have a Cliff Notes version with comments in the columns? It's over my head.
 
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I’m hearing that the big 10 will reach out to UConn as phase 2 of this deal in order to improve their eastern time zone product. Of course, I’m hearing it from my neighbors dog Sam. He’s never been right yet, so I figure he’s due.
 
If there is demand for 30-40 college teams to become semi-professional, then the NFL is leaving money on the table. They should expand and play on Fridays and Saturdays. Now, I’m not sure this is the case, but Mondays and Thursdays have been good to the NFL product.
 
Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 5h
…….

BTM incoming later today.

1 Example:

“USC’s silence on PAC’s internal affairs have become so loud their local press and now national press has finally picked up on it within last couple of days. They are hunting. The hunt is on.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“Media companies are treating the current landscape as P2/P3. We are heading towards P2/P3 much quicker than anyone anticipated”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“Conditions are perfect for Big Ten to become National Conference. The money is there to make it happen. The power of SEC with additions of Texas and Oklahoma makes them the first National Conference. Current regional limitations of SEC doesn’t limit its value and power.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“The only hurdle stopping Big Ten from becoming a National Conference is it’s leadership. How does expanding out West help the Big Ten student athlete? This question needs to be answered from leadership perspective”


Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“The money is not the issue. Expansion would be paid for by media companies. It’s no longer an issue. Expansion of 4 Universities is not an issue. Only hurdle does Big Ten want to become National Conference and in doing so change their PAC relationship forever”


Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“You don’t find Big Ten leadership on any level, or inside each Big Ten University’s leadership on any level, in private or public, dismiss possibility of expansion for two reasons. 1) Interest from USC 2) SEC’s power to create own universe and to enlarge its universe.


Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“Amazon going hard for part of Big Ten’s new media contract is a tip off they suspect Big Ten to become National Conference at some point in near future.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“USC +1 has been the most ideal and expected expansion from Big Ten perspective since we pass on info USC called Big Ten. But we don’t believe this to be the case anymore. Money is there for USC, Washington, Oregon +1. It only needs the will to meet the vision.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“Creation for most of P2/P3 is coming quick but won’t be finished off until early into next decade. The question remains does Big Ten want to become National Conference in 2024 with USC +1 or 3, and does USC want to be in National Conference in 2024 or wait another 8 years?

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“USC’s silence on PAC’s internal affairs have become so loud their local press and now national press has finally picked up on it within last couple of days. They are hunting. The hunt is on.”

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
BTM

“SEC making it known internally and externally they could go their own way in the future has pushed the idea of Big Ten becoming National
Conference from coast to coast a more comforting position than ever before.”


Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 4h
“The effects on student athletes, if and when Big Ten National Conference is formed, especially when regional divisions are perceived as a competitive disadvantage related to expanded playoffs, needs to have solutions. Needs to be answered. Every other factor shows green light.”
 
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