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[TRest]

Yes. Brilliant. Exactly right. If one conference taking one or two schools as football only members makes sense, it means that all conferences taking any school as a football only must make sense as well.

Having said that, I don't think the old Big East (the real Big East) was harmed in the least by a football only member, and if adding Navy as a football program helped the ACC I don't see why not. But does Navy really have the ability to compete in the ACC in football year in and year out? And does its following -- which is not concentrated in Maryland -- help the ACC economically?

Always remember, the important thing is it benefits ND by fulfilling its 5 ACC game pledge with a game it plays anyway. Any other ancillary benefits would be nice but unnecessary.

 

[CL82]

Paging Conspiracy Kitty:
Dooley plants rumors of UCONN to ACC to scare Big 12 into jumping at chance to grab UCONN and NY market before ACC wises up and takes us!!

Conspiracy Kitty says:
Hmmn. What is @Dooley 's first name?

 

[dwalks93]

How would we know if the ACC hasn't been making these decisions all along? If there's one thing Swofford is a master at, it's organizing moves without anyone in the media knowing about it.

Don't get me wrong....I want to believe. But this type of strategic planning seems more BIG than ACC. Trust me I want to be wrong on this one....

That said, getting all the ACC presidents and ESPN together, agreeing on additions and a network all while keeping it completely quiet seems impossible. With all the pressure on Swofford to produce a network, it seems unlikely nothing would have leaked until right before the announcement. There is a lot of ACC School Presidents, ESPN employees, and ACC officials who would need to keep their mouths shut.

Certainly Cincinnati can't be a candidate or we'd be viewing their President's selfies with Swofford right now. No way Cincinnati President Ono stays quiet. I am pretty sure he is uploading his recent letters to some Big12 school as we type.

 

[Cleanface]

Damn, just wanted to pop in here bc I just heard the UCONN/Temple > ACC rumor.

I always wanted KU & UCONN in the B1G eventually, but if this smoke ends up as fire, and you land ACC, I will be very happy for all my Boneyard Expansion friends. I know you all have been thru hell.



With all the new BXII rumblings, the new B1G TV deal, and these ACC rumors, I guess it's time for me to start paying attention to the interwebz insanity that is CR again.

 

[Waquoit]

What bothers me from reading outsider accounts is that none of them see UConn as ever being good in football. UConn will thrive in a better league. Not so long ago, UConn beat Baylor in a home-and-home and now Baylor is a Big 12 standard bearer. The Rent would become the most hated place to play in the league.

 

[Dooley]

Conspiracy Kitty says:
Hmmn. What is @Dooley 's first name?

Dooooooooooooeeeebbbrraaaaaaaaaaaley

 

[The Viking]

the ACC wouldn't be the ones scrambling - ESPN would be calling the shots regarding expansion if they finally give in and give the ACC their precious network. The ACC is desperate for it, they would take whoever ESPN told them to and I'm sure ESPN has doing the prep work and had a game plan for the day they lost the B1G.

AND NO I'M NOT SAYING THESE RUMORS ARE TRUE - just saying...

 

[TheDoggPound]

Remember when we were the fastest growing football program in D1 history? How soon they forget.

 

[huskeynut]

Rumors of UCONN to Big12 or the ACC gives hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

But, with ND only partially in with the ACC, I have serious concerns. ND will do what's best for ND! They have no allegience to any conference. Sorry ND posters, but I don't trust ND at all.

 

[Rico444]

Who in the hell is Jim@aol? I'm excited for this rumor, don't get me wrong; I would LOVE to be back with a bunch of our old Big East rivals. I'm just wondering where this rumor came from.

 

[dwalks93]

the ACC wouldn't be the ones scrambling - ESPN would be calling the shots regarding expansion if they finally give in and give the ACC their precious network. The ACC is desperate for it, they would take whoever ESPN told them to and I'm sure ESPN has doing the prep work and had a game plan for the day they lost the B1G.

AND NO I'M NOT SAYING THESE RUMORS ARE TRUE - just saying...

Viking totally agree with you that ESPN would be the prime catalyst for an UConn to the ACC move.

I think you are spot on the ACC would take whoever ESPN said to add if it meant a network. That said, Swofford would still need to pitch the idea to the ACC presidents, they would need to vote "yes" and all the schools would likely need to sign some type of new/extended GOR with ESPN (reasonable assumption?).

No disrespect to Temple but I think their addition would need some very strong financial justification for ACC Presidents to agree to them. That is not to say it is not there, only that the knee jerk reaction to Temple is not positive. I was over on the Va Tech Board and most posters thought UConn would be a positive add but that Temple was a disaster. I do not like to talk negative about other programs (except BC) and Temple may be a hidden network gem...just saying they would need to overcome an initial presumption of "hell no."

It is possible all the above could be done totally under the radar? One thing I do not doubt about Swofford and the ACC is the ability to smell blood in the water and attack when another conference shows weakness. The Big12 has been telegraphing its moves for a while and appears ripe for a divide. IMO the ACC is a much better counterpuncher than enacting a long term strategy. Is UConn a counterpunch?

I suppose "hope" always dies last...

 

[Chin Diesel]

Viking totally agree with you that ESPN would be the prime catalyst for an UConn to the ACC move.

I think you are spot on the ACC would take whoever ESPN said to add if it meant a network. That said, Swofford would still need to pitch the idea to the ACC presidents, they would need to vote "yes" and all the schools would likely need to sign some type of new/extended GOR with ESPN (reasonable assumption?).

No disrespect to Temple but I think their addition would need some very strong financial justification for ACC Presidents to agree to them. That is not to say it is not there, only that the knee jerk reaction to Temple is not positive. I was over on the Va Tech Board and most posters thought UConn would be a positive add but that Temple was a disaster. I do not like to talk negative about other programs (except BC) and Temple may be a hidden network gem...just saying they would need to overcome an initial presumption of "hell no."

It is possible all the above could be done totally under the radar? One thing I do not doubt about Swofford and the ACC is the ability to smell blood in the water and attack when another conference shows weakness. The Big12 has been telegraphing its moves for a while and appears ripe for a divide. IMO the ACC is a much better counterpuncher than enacting a long term strategy. Is UConn a counterpunch?

I suppose "hope" always dies last...

Going with a backwards looking analysis IF Temple were to get in....

Temple bridges the mid-Atlantic. Look on a map how Temple and UVA help mitigate losing the DC area TV sets and brings Eastern Pennsylvania and NJ sets in to play (not for Temple specifically, but for ACC alums in those regions). Plus, the ACC more than any other P5 conference knows how to integrate a small and city schools (Miami, Pitt, BCU, Syracuse, WFU, Ga Tech). Put UConn and Temple in the conference and Md/Rutty are again surrounded by Virginia, Pennsylvania, NY and New England.

 

[Matrim55]

Who in the hell is Jim@aol? I'm excited for this rumor, don't get me wrong; I would LOVE to be back with a bunch of our old Big East rivals. I'm just wondering where this rumor came from.

No idea, but the Debrafromfacebok account looks like a fake account some insider has set up to let out real news in advance. Let's hope that's what it actually is.

No disrespect to Temple but I think their addition would need some very strong financial justification for ACC Presidents to agree to them.

The ACC has no schools from Washington, D.C. to Boston - the most populous part of the nation. If they're starting a conference network (or if ESPN's somehow increasing inventory with an eye toward boxing out the B1G), they need to have a presence there. It's existential.

With that in mind, UConn and Temple are the best bets left. It's not that Temple is so great; it's that the ACC is finally not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good -- or "good enough."

They're in this position b/c they were playing checkers in 2009-12. Now they're playing... well, it's not chess. But it's something, at least.

PS - If Georgetown & Villanova ever went D-1 football, they'd get ACC invites in about 3 seconds. Same for Seton Hall & St. John's, and maybe even Fordham.

 

[Chin Diesel]

One thing I do not doubt about Swofford and the ACC is the ability to smell blood in the water and attack when another conference shows weakness. The Big12 has been telegraphing its moves for a while and appears ripe for a divide. IMO the ACC is a much better counterpuncher than enacting a long term strategy. Is UConn a counterpunch?

I suppose "hope" always dies last...

The ACC vs Big12 in decisiveness. The Big12 is the lioness, the ACC is the lion. This message board are all the people in the vehicles.

 

[NYUConn]

No idea, but the Debrafromfacebok account looks like a fake account some insider has set up to let out real news in advance. Let's hope that's what it actually is.


The ACC has no schools from Washington, D.C. to Boston - the most populous part of the nation. If they're starting a conference network (or if ESPN's somehow increasing inventory with an eye toward boxing out the B1G), they need to have a presence there. It's existential.

With that in mind, UConn and Temple are the best bets left. It's not that Temple is so great; it's that the ACC is finally not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good -- or "good enough."

They're in this position b/c they were playing checkers in 2009-12. Now they're playing... well, it's not chess. But it's something, at least.

PS - If Georgetown & Villanova ever went D-1 football, they'd get ACC invites in about 3 seconds.

Yeah I am a little confused where the Jim@aol posts came from. I don't even see the original post here that was quoted.

 

[Matrim55]

Yeah I am a little confused where the Jim@aol posts came from. I don't even see the original post here that was quoted.

All of this is confusing & it feels like we're getting trolled.

But the thing about this rumor that I'll keep coming back to: It makes sense. The ACC needs to fill that Boston-to-DC corridor if they're going to survive, and there are only two teams that do it (or have the potential to do it).

 

[NYUConn]

All of this is confusing & it feels like we're getting trolled.

But the thing about this rumor that I'll keep coming back to: It makes sense. The ACC needs to fill that Boston-to-DC corridor if they're going to survive, and there are only two teams that do it (or have the potential to do it).

I don't buy UConn to the ACC. They don't want us, they've made it very clear. I don't think anything that is happening in Big 12 world or elsewhere is going to change that.

 

[UCONN in OKC]

All of this is confusing & it feels like we're getting trolled.

But the thing about this rumor that I'll keep coming back to: It makes sense. The ACC needs to fill that Boston-to-DC corridor if they're going to survive, and there are only two teams that do it (or have the potential to do it).

another team that will give you DC is Navy and UCONN to bridge the gap

 

[billybud]

Temple? No freekin' way.

I don't think that Swofford could get all the Presidents to sign a new GOR....much less with a Temple add.

FSU is already in the fool me once mode and Clemson and a couple of others may be there with them.

I doubt if he would whisper the word "Temple" to the FSU BOT...he would get a whiff of the tar cauldron in the back of the room, spot the pile of old pillows, and clear his throat...and say..."As I was saying, football is the temple at which we worship. Let me be clear."

 

[businesslawyer]

Temple does almost nothing positive for the ACC that I can see. On any level. Including even establishing a TV network.

That having been said, if the ACC were to take UConn, and the XII is trying to compete with the ACC for being first to market with a TV network, can the ACC live with the XII inviting Temple? Temple would be a blocking move -- it would keep the only XII touch on the coast itself to the eastern part of WV and WVU's portion of the DC market. But it keeps the XII out of the Eastern Baltimore--Philly--NY--Boston megalopolis.

I find the rumor hard to believe as to Temple, but if it happens it would be defensive.

 

[businesslawyer]

another team that will give you DC is Navy and UCONN to bridge the gap

Navy does not give you DC or Maryland -- it's a small presence in the market. Navy's students come from all over the U.S. And they disperse after graduating all over the world. It is not an important part of the DC market. If it were, it's football games wouldn't be broadcast on what is literally the lowest rated station in the DC market.

 

[businesslawyer]

Temple? No freekin' way.

I don't think that Swofford could get all the Presidents to sign a new GOR....much less with a Temple add.

FSU is already in the fool me once mode and Clemson and a couple of others may be there with them.

I doubt if he would whisper the word "Temple" to the FSU BOT...he would get a whiff of the tar cauldron in the back of the room, spot the pile of old pillows, and clear his throat...and say..."As I was saying, football is the temple at which we worship. Let me be clear."

Come on -- even you don't believe that analysis. Before the FSU President could say "Football is the alter at which we worship " (very dramatic by the way), the Trustees would ask "how much?" If the ACC invited Temple (which I already said I have real trouble seeing), it would require finances to demand it.

 

[CL82]

Who in the hell is Jim@aol? I'm excited for this rumor, don't get me wrong; I would LOVE to be back with a bunch of our old Big East rivals. I'm just wondering where this rumor came from.

Don't know, but I have seen his name on Landthieves and the VaTech board. His logic seems a little tighter than the average conference realignment nut. Could be nothing, or it could be a leak of actual info. There's no way to tell until after the fact.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Temple? No freekin' way.

I don't think that Swofford could get all the Presidents to sign a new GOR....much less with a Temple add.

FSU is already in the fool me once mode and Clemson and a couple of others may be there with them.

I doubt if he would whisper the word "Temple" to the FSU BOT...he would get a whiff of the tar cauldron in the back of the room, spot the pile of old pillows, and clear his throat...and say..."As I was saying, football is the temple at which we worship. Let me be clear."

Look I understand the gut reaction of a college football guy in the south. But if you omit history for a moment (and history relating to FSU as a former women's college certainly didn't predict success) and started with a blank slate, how would you rate:

Pubic school in Philadelphia, enrollment is 38k {access to good recruiting in PA and NJ}
Private school in Boston, enrollment is 14k
Private school in small city in NC, enrollment is 7500
Public engineering school in Atlanta, enrollment is 24k
Public school in Louisville, enrollment 22k.
Private school in Miami, enrollement 16k

You can pretend that there is some actual reason why Temple can't be a football power, but the reality is that there is none. They were pretty good last year and probably have pretty significant upside, although it may never be realized.

 

[businesslawyer]

Look I understand the gut reaction of a college football guy in the south. But if you omit history for a moment (and history relating to FSU as a former women's college certainly didn't predict success) and started with a blank slate, how would you rate:

Pubic school in Philadelphia, enrollment is 38k {access to good recruiting in PA and NJ}
Private school in Boston, enrollment is 14k
Private school in small city in NC, enrollment is 7500
Public engineering school in Atlanta, enrollment is 24k
Public school in Louisville, enrollment 22k.
Private school in Miami, enrollement 16k

You can pretend that there is some actual reason why Temple can't be a football power, but the reality is that there is none. They were pretty good last year and probably have pretty significant upside, although it may never be realized.

There are in fact reasons that Temple can't be a football power. They do not have a fan base outside of students and alumni (like Houston), and therefore they do not have the financial support to do what needs to be done by way of facilities. Nor do they have the support in Harrisburgh for the statewide taxpayers to give them the funds to be an athletic power.

 

[NYUConn]

There are in fact reasons that Temple can't be a football power. They do not have a fan base outside of students and alumni (like Houston), and therefore they do not have the financial support to do what needs to be done by way of facilities. Nor do they have the support in Harrisburgh for the statewide taxpayers to give them the funds to be an athletic power.

I agree with everything you said, but Houston may not be the best example given they have been a power in the past and are coming off a 13-1 Peach Bowl title run.

I would say they are more similar to USF or UCF.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Debra from Facebook and jim@aol deserve a slow clap for some grade A trolling. Nice work.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

There are in fact reasons that Temple can't be a football power. They do not have a fan base outside of students and alumni (like Houston), and therefore they do not have the financial support to do what needs to be done by way of facilities. Nor do they have the support in Harrisburgh for the statewide taxpayers to give them the funds to be an athletic power.

Was that on campus stadium just a proposal or something in the works?

If Temple got into a better league, with their recent success and a new stadium I could see them gaining some traction, especially in Eastern PA.

Not that we didn't all know this year's ago, but the latest Joe Fraud news coming out certainly can't help the casual Penn State fan (not the cult alumni or townies). Maybe temple steps up and becomes the football team in Philly?

 

[SECONN]

Is Memphis right for Big 12 expansion?

barry debunking the memphis choice.......sticking with him that UCONN is one of the schools if there is expansion

 

[NYUConn]

Was that on campus stadium just a proposal or something in the works?

If Temple got into a better league, with their recent success and a new stadium I could see them gaining some traction, especially in Eastern PA.

Not that we didn't all know this year's ago, but the latest Joe Fraud news coming out certainly can't help the casual Penn State fan (not the cult alumni or townies). Maybe temple steps up and becomes the football team in Philly?

I think the NCAA has made it perfectly clear that we could find out that Joe Pa was working with Ted Cruz's dad to take out JFK and Penn State football would still go untouched.