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[djct1999]

Ehhh. That can all be worked around. I think that's way overblown. They haven't been competing on Sundays forever and the MWC found a way to accommodate them. WCC does now. At worst, they assure a BXII conference network has better ratings on weeknights if they play basketball on a Monday rather than Sunday.

I agree. The only thing that truly comes into play is if BYU makes it to the basketball conference finals which is currently on a Sunday. Other than that, good scheduling can get around Sundays.

 

[MattMang23]

I agree. The only thing that truly comes into play is if BYU makes it to the basketball conference finals which is currently on a Sunday. Other than that, good scheduling can get around Sundays.

Doubleheaders Saturday! Problem solved!

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Not a tweet and technically not non-key in source (but no new key information), and didn't want to start a new thread:

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/bi...sity-of-houston-on-outside-looking-in-8165919

BIG XII EXPANSION RUMORS HAVE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON ON OUTSIDE LOOKING IN

UConn brings the northeast marketplace, another solid TV story (the Huskies are bigger in New York than Rutgers, who parlayed geography into a Big Ten invite) and wildly successful basketball programs, men's and women's.

Where there is smoke...when actual, established journalists start to mention UConn as a XII candidate, something, hopefully, positive is going on. Even better, this has to get other conferneces to start thinking about UConn. the B1G maybe able to wait if they believe that the XII will fold no matter what in 10 years as they are a lock to be a P4 conference. The ACC on the other hand can't. If the XII gets a network in place first, especially with a flag in the NYC TV market with UConn, the ACC's future does not look good.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Texas politics means nothing to Boren and OU.

Texas politics due matter, just ask Colorado Nebraska & A&M. Should political forces force the XII to throw Houston a lifeline versus UConn, it means that Oklahoma is likely off to the SEC or B1G within the next decade followed by Kansas to the B1G and OK St to the SEC. That loss diminishes the value of the XII greatly and will likely drive Texas to another conference, also.

 

[uchusky32]

Texas politics due matter, just ask Colorado Nebraska & A&M. Should political forces force the XII to throw Houston a lifeline versus UConn, it means that Oklahoma is likely off to the SEC or B1G within the next decade followed by Kansas to the B1G and OK St to the SEC. That loss diminishes the value of the XII greatly and will likely drive Texas to another conference, also.

Here's the thing. Texas could play politics but that's not going to make Fox/ESPN pay out more money for an area that's already paying for the network. Someone is going to have
to prove that Houston gets more paying boxes. I don't believe they can do that.

The politics Texas can play is the LHN won't go away if no Houston. OU wont be the only school to bolt so will KU and if the ACC is smart they take Uconn/UC and WV and create they're own network. Because if OU bolts the GOR is done.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

OK, just to draw it out, say the XII gets a network in place before the ACC by adding UConn and Cincinnati. In the race to a P4, the B1G and SEC are locks while the PAC is safe due to its location and thus when the GOR expires, the ACC is picked apart. What will the P4 configuration look like? This is my thought. I think the bigger questions are 1) where does ND go assuming they have to join a conference 100% and 2) are UNC and Duke a package? I also think with the ACC pushed back to G4 status, the XII will pluck an additional Northeast school to keep UConn from being on an island and no one school can control NYC on its own.

· XII – at 12 (UConn & Cincy), adds 4 to get to 16: 1) Louisville, 2) Pittsburgh, 3) Syracuse, 4) Clemson

· B1G – at 14, adds 6 to get to 20: 1) UVA, 2) UNC, 3) Duke, 4) G Tech, 5) FSU, 6) ND

· PAC – at 12, adds 4 to get to 16: 1) SD State, 2) BYU, 3) UNLV, 4) Colorado St

· SEC – at 14, adds 2 to get to 16: 1) V Tech, 2) NC State

Thus, the XII would be split North/South:

· North: 1) UConn, 2) Syracuse, 3) Pittsburgh, 4) West Virginia, 5) Cincinnati, 6) Louisville, 7) Oklahoma, 8) Oklahoma St

· South: 1) Iowa St, 2) Kansas, 3) Kansas St, 4) Texas Tech, 5) Texas, 6) Baylor, 7) TCU, 8) Clemson

 

[UCFBfan]

BYU presents other problems, namely the no competition on Sundays thing.

I feel like this is like what we faced before the ACC took Louisville. We all were dismissing Louisville as an option because their academics were sub par and they didn't match anything the ACC wanted (based on our beliefs). Then BAM! We're here and they are P5. We all keep dismissing BYU over the Sunday issue but seeing CR Rule #1, we'll be so confident we're in as more info gets out and then BAM! We'll be where we started, in the AAC.....

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I feel like this is like what we faced before the ACC took Louisville. We all were dismissing Louisville as an option because their academics were sub par and they didn't match anything the ACC wanted (based on our beliefs). Then BAM! We're here and they are P5. We all keep dismissing BYU over the Sunday issue but seeing CR Rule #1, we'll be so confident we're in as more info gets out and then BAM! We'll be where we started, in the AAC.....

Subpar academics /= lack of willingness to play on a specific day. It's not a complete nullifier, but it's a bigger hill to climb. There's also the religious thing, don't know how much of a factor that is. In the end, I agree BYU is a factor.

 

[uconnphil2016]

OK, just to draw it out, say the XII gets a network in place before the ACC by adding UConn and Cincinnati. In the race to a P4, the B1G and SEC are locks while the PAC is safe due to its location and thus when the GOR expires, the ACC is picked apart. What will the P4 configuration look like? This is my thought. I think the bigger questions are 1) where does ND go assuming they have to join a conference 100% and 2) are UNC and Duke a package? I also think with the ACC pushed back to G4 status, the XII will pluck an additional Northeast school to keep UConn from being on an island and no one school can control NYC on its own.

· XII – at 12 (UConn & Cincy), adds 4 to get to 16: 1) Louisville, 2) Pittsburgh, 3) Syracuse, 4) Clemson

· B1G – at 14, adds 6 to get to 20: 1) UVA, 2) UNC, 3) Duke, 4) G Tech, 5) FSU, 6) ND

· PAC – at 12, adds 4 to get to 16: 1) SD State, 2) BYU, 3) UNLV, 4) Colorado St

· SEC – at 14, adds 2 to get to 16: 1) V Tech, 2) NC State

Thus, the XII would be split North/South:

· North: 1) UConn, 2) Syracuse, 3) Pittsburgh, 4) West Virginia, 5) Cincinnati, 6) Louisville, 7) Oklahoma, 8) Oklahoma St

· South: 1) Iowa St, 2) Kansas, 3) Kansas St, 4) Texas Tech, 5) Texas, 6) Baylor, 7) TCU, 8) Clemson

SEC takes NC State and FSU goes to the B1G...I want some of what you're smoking

 

[uconnphil2016]

Also, does U Miami just get left out of realignment while UNLV makes the cut???

 

[uconnphil2016]

I feel like this is like what we faced before the ACC took Louisville. We all were dismissing Louisville as an option because their academics were sub par and they didn't match anything the ACC wanted (based on our beliefs). Then BAM! We're here and they are P5. We all keep dismissing BYU over the Sunday issue but seeing CR Rule #1, we'll be so confident we're in as more info gets out and then BAM! We'll be where we started, in the AAC.....

If BYU was heading to the Big XII there's no way that Bronco Mendenhall would have left his job...he left for a worse football program because he saw the writing on the wall with BYU and got out as quickly as he could. This is obviously all just conjecture, but that's how I interpreted the move.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Another issue with BYU is what would happen with BYU TV's rights to their sporting events. Obviously nowhere near the hurdle that the Longhorn Network is, but it's there and it's revenue-producer for the school in its current state.

 

[dante]

The thing about Houston is that Texas is building a campus a few miles from Houston main campus, so if Texas is going be in Houston why would they want them in the Big 12?


https://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/05/ut-system-plans-open-new-campus-houston/

 

[jostar1]

G REG S WA IM SHOW ‏@G S waim · 12h12 hours ago
No doubt #SEC wants #Sooners.. so much so, they'd also take #OKState to get them. Ball is in #Big12's court now to do what Boren wants.

G REG S WA IM SHOW ‏@G S w aim · 12h12 hours ago
I can safely say to #OKState fans that you're in a great situation. Either the #Big12 will add on, or you'll join #Sooners in the #SEC.

G REG S WA IM SHOW ‏@G S wa im · 12h12 hours ago
#SEC told #Sooners if they'll join, they'd also take #OKState per Boren's request. Boren using as #Big12 leverage

G REG S WA IM SHOW ‏@G S w aim · 12h12 hours ago
Why would Boren be so loud and upfront following #Big12 gag order? Because he has all the cards on his side...Bowlsby getting owned.

J‏@UCONNfan14
@G S wa im what is your POV on adding uconn, uc, byu, and a florida school for 2017-2018?

G REG S W AIM SHOW ‏@G S wa im · 10h10 hours ago
I'm for adding four, and understand that geography will play a smaller part than we all thought...all about metrics.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

OK, just to draw it out, say the XII gets a network in place before the ACC by adding UConn and Cincinnati. In the race to a P4, the B1G and SEC are locks while the PAC is safe due to its location and thus when the GOR expires, the ACC is picked apart. What will the P4 configuration look like? This is my thought. I think the bigger questions are 1) where does ND go assuming they have to join a conference 100% and 2) are UNC and Duke a package? I also think with the ACC pushed back to G4 status, the XII will pluck an additional Northeast school to keep UConn from being on an island and no one school can control NYC on its own.

· XII – at 12 (UConn & Cincy), adds 4 to get to 16: 1) Louisville, 2) Pittsburgh, 3) Syracuse, 4) Clemson

· B1G – at 14, adds 6 to get to 20: 1) UVA, 2) UNC, 3) Duke, 4) G Tech, 5) FSU, 6) ND

· PAC – at 12, adds 4 to get to 16: 1) SD State, 2) BYU, 3) UNLV, 4) Colorado St

· SEC – at 14, adds 2 to get to 16: 1) V Tech, 2) NC State

Thus, the XII would be split North/South:

· North: 1) UConn, 2) Syracuse, 3) Pittsburgh, 4) West Virginia, 5) Cincinnati, 6) Louisville, 7) Oklahoma, 8) Oklahoma St

· South: 1) Iowa St, 2) Kansas, 3) Kansas St, 4) Texas Tech, 5) Texas, 6) Baylor, 7) TCU, 8) Clemson

Long shot but it's possible that the PAC would be able to get into Texas if they take in Texas Tech and Houston. Colorado State is also possible. BYU, SDSU would be opposed by California schools and UNLV academics may be a problem. Texas Tech and Houston are Carnegie R1 schools in the latest released list. If I have to guess then Texas Tech, New Mexico, Houston and Colorado State.

The Big 12 ends up taking additional ACC teams to help dissolve the conference (I'm not rooting for this but if we do have to dissolve then this is the way I would like to see happen).

1) UT, 2) OU, 3) OSU, 4) TCU, 5) BU, 6) KU, 7) KSU, 8) ISU
9) FSU, 10)Clemson, 11) Miami, 12) Louisville, 13) Cincinnati, 14) Connecticut
15) Pittsburgh, 16) West Virginia

I happen to think Boston College would be taken if Notre Dame goes B10. One, huge city. Two, Harvard and MIT nearby (we're talking academic elitists who run that conference). Three, BTN cable boxes in Bahstin. BC would be just another game where Ohio State fans can come in and visit the city and, oh, watch a college football game on their way out. Sorry, Husky fans, but that's how I see it.

 

[Fishy]

I assure you that we take no offense at your fever-dream of a scenario.

 

[The Funster]

The ACC is probably praying the B1G will take BC off their hands...Delany would probably chuckle at the thought.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Perhaps not, but if Texas decides that the only way it will agree on the LHN and expansion is if one of the expansion adds is Houston, Boren and Oklahoma might compromise.
Of course, that could result in Cincy getting bumped and UConn getting a bid along with Houston

At present, indications are that UT strongly opposes adding Houston, as do the other Texas schools. I don't think UH has a shot. The threat is BYU. We need to move to the #11 spot, which I think we deserve, and let the decide between BYU and Cinci.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

At present, indications are that UT strongly opposes adding Houston, as do the other Texas schools. I don't think UH has a shot. The threat is BYU. We need to move to the #11 spot, which I think we deserve, and let the decide between BYU and Cinci.

I'm still banking on the whole "east not west" theory.

 

[Waquoit]

The ACC is probably praying the B1G will take BC off their hands...Delany would probably chuckle at the thought.

Exactly. Re: ACC and BCU - You broke it, you bought it. The dream of the Double Bagel still lives!

 

[noeynox]

At present, indications are that UT strongly opposes adding Houston, as do the other Texas schools. I don't think UH has a shot. The threat is BYU. We need to move to the #11 spot, which I think we deserve, and let the decide between BYU and Cinci.

I still think that if a conference network is the number one objective, "the metrics" (like I know WTF that even means), have to have us in the driver's seat in the event that that Big 12 DOES expand. If what OU prez Boren is saying is true, that all decisions will made based off the "data" I like our chances IF the data says they should expand.

I'm with you, hopefully we are actively elbowing for position on the block to be 1st choice if expansion happens.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Unlike last time UConn was in this situation with Louisville, I think it is unlikely that Tom Holmoe will buy the Big 12 AD's and Presidents hookers and blow. That was definitely a Louisville thing.

 

[djct1999]

At present, indications are that UT strongly opposes adding Houston, as do the other Texas schools. I don't think UH has a shot. The threat is BYU. We need to move to the #11 spot, which I think we deserve, and let the decide between BYU and Cinci.

If BYU is in play, a UConn-BYU tandem is a home run for the Big12. Contrary to what you hear, Cincy will be out.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

SEC takes NC State and FSU goes to the B1G...I want some of what you're smoking

The SEC wants both NC and VA - adjacent, high growth markets that fit well with the SEC culture. I assume that UNC goes to the B1G along with Duke (between basketball brand and serious research $$, I think the B1G would take a team outside of its normal flagship school profile here). The SEC is not taking Wake Forest nor ECU, Charlotte, etc. Thus, NC State is their best choice.

Locked-out of Texas due to the XII staying intact, the B1G will want the Carolina (UNC, Duke) Atlanta (G Tech) and Florida markets. The B1G is not getting U Florida and is not interested in USF nor UCF. Miami could be possible as the school is a solid (historical) football brand and has good academics; but, FSU offers more. FSU is a big, state U with a significant football brand, in a massive state population wise and has decent academics - US News #96 (Nebraska is #103), is a Carnegie R1 school (just like UConn), and has AAU dreams (just like everyone else).

 

[pj]

If the SEC has offered to take both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, how can the B12 possibly match that offer, regardless of who it adds or whether it gets a network?

 

[businesslawyer]

Long shot but it's possible that the PAC would be able to get into Texas if they take in Texas Tech and Houston. Colorado State is also possible. BYU, SDSU would be opposed by California schools and UNLV academics may be a problem. Texas Tech and Houston are Carnegie R1 schools in the latest released list. If I have to guess then Texas Tech, New Mexico, Houston and Colorado State.

The Big 12 ends up taking additional ACC teams to help dissolve the conference (I'm not rooting for this but if we do have to dissolve then this is the way I would like to see happen).

1) UT, 2) OU, 3) OSU, 4) TCU, 5) BU, 6) KU, 7) KSU, 8) ISU
9) FSU, 10)Clemson, 11) Miami, 12) Louisville, 13) Cincinnati, 14) Connecticut
15) Pittsburgh, 16) West Virginia

I happen to think Boston College would be taken if Notre Dame goes B10. One, huge city. Two, Harvard and MIT nearby (we're talking academic elitists who run that conference). Three, BTN cable boxes in Bahstin. BC would be just another game where Ohio State fans can come in and visit the city and, oh, watch a college football game on their way out. Sorry, Husky fans, but that's how I see it.

Wait -- your theory is that BC is appealing to the Big Ten becase it is "nearby" MIT and Harvard? My theory is that your IQ must be so low that someone needs to help you log on to your computer in the morning.

 

[Husky25]

Exactly. Re: ACC and BCU - You broke it, you bought it. The dream of the Double Bagel still lives!

Flash-cut to Robert Duvall in Gone in 60 seconds as Detective Castlebeck revs the engine of the 1983 Cadillac Eldorado (possibly the angriest face I've ever seen on screen).

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Wait -- your theory is that BC is appealing to the Big Ten becase it is "nearby" MIT and Harvard? My theory is that your IQ must be so low that someone needs to help you log on to your computer in the morning.

We would bring the Yale market to any conference, duh.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

If BYU is in play, a UConn-BYU tandem is a home run for the Big12. Contrary to what you hear, Cincy will be out.

That may be in our eyes, but you wonder if a BUY-Cincinnati tandem would be more geographically appealing.

 

[CallMeBruce]

If BYU is in play, a UConn-BYU tandem is a home run for the Big12. Contrary to what you hear, Cincy will be out.

If they're looking for a Big XII network, this is probably the ideal pairing.