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[CallMeBruce]

Yes, it's a guess. I guess I have to believe you guys that it was a wrong guess. But if so, neither the B1G nor the ACC were thinking as strategically as they should have been.

It's obviously a wrong guess, because if we could have been in the ACC for the last two seasons, we would have. Anyone who thinks that UConn turned down an ACC bid is kidding themselves. Would they turn down a B12 bid? Maybe, but only if they're certain that they're already in another league, in which case you'd be hearing about it soon.

 

[pj]

It's obviously a wrong guess, because if we could have been in the ACC for the last two seasons, we would have. Anyone who thinks that UConn turned down an ACC bid is kidding themselves. Would they turn down a B12 bid? Maybe, but only if they're certain that they're already in another league, in which case you'd be hearing about it soon.

It doesn't have to work that way (offer, turned down), and I never said it did. If you have two candidates rated equally (Louisville and UConn), one candidate is dragging their feet (I need to do due diligence, give me more details, give me time to think it over) and the other is eager (I'll commit today), you may go with the eager candidate -- especially if you fear a snowballing loss of confidence among members leading to a Florida State/Clemson exit with any public sign of weakness.

And any B1G overture would lead UConn to explore its options and take time for a detailed comparison of financials.

 

[CallMeBruce]

It doesn't have to work that way (offer, turned down), and I never said it did. If you have two candidates rated equally (Louisville and UConn), one candidate is dragging their feet (I need to do due diligence, give me more details, give me time to think it over) and the other is eager (I'll commit today), you may go with the eager candidate -- especially if you fear a snowballing loss of confidence among members leading to a Florida State/Clemson exit with any public sign of weakness.

And any B1G overture would lead UConn to explore its options and take time for a detailed comparison of financials.

Louisville was invited because there were enough ACC members who were willing to vote them in. UConn wasn't because there wasn't. This was pretty well-documented at the time.

 

[Pudge]

It doesn't have to work that way (offer, turned down), and I never said it did. If you have two candidates rated equally (Louisville and UConn), one candidate is dragging their feet (I need to do due diligence, give me more details, give me time to think it over) and the other is eager (I'll commit today), you may go with the eager candidate -- especially if you fear a snowballing loss of confidence among members leading to a Florida State/Clemson exit with any public sign of weakness.

And any B1G overture would lead UConn to explore its options and take time for a detailed comparison of financials.

Yeah ... this is the wrong spin.

UConn was NOT near Louisville's equal in football. And, we are worth ZERO to the B12 who would possibly take Louisville in 2012. That's the two punches in the face that led to the ACC going to Louisville. And YES ... Blumenthal and UConn's perception with the lawsuit lingered. I am all for B1G. We belong ... and we have a President that has spent the last few years shining up our GREAT University for that.

 

[pj]

Louisville was invited because there were enough ACC members who were willing to vote them in. UConn wasn't because there wasn't. This was pretty well-documented at the time.

Which doesn't explain why more ACC members were willing to vote Louisville in than UConn. What valuation metrics was that preference based on?

UConn was NOT near Louisville's equal in football. And, we are worth ZERO to the B12 who would possibly take Louisville in 2012. That's the two punches in the face that led to the ACC going to Louisville. And YES ... Blumenthal and UConn's perception with the lawsuit lingered. I am all for B1G. We belong ... and we have a President that has spent the last few years shining up our GREAT University for that.

Which doesn't explain why football performance was the dominant factor, as opposed to cable market opportunity ... We've seen many news stories and university officials saying that conference networks are crucial to the success of the ACC and B12. With even a modicum of foresight, both leagues could see in 2012 that UConn was far more valuable than alternatives to any cable network. We are not and never were worth zero to the B12, especially not if they want a network.

 

[whaler11]

Yes, it's a guess. I guess I have to believe you guys that it was a wrong guess. But if so, neither the B1G nor the ACC were thinking as strategically as they should have been.

Really? Because they can't add UConn anytime they feel the need or desire?

You are trying to create an alternate CR universe that has no basis in reality.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Yes, it's a guess. I guess I have to believe you guys that it was a wrong guess. But if so, neither the B1G nor the ACC were thinking as strategically as they should have been.

The ACC watched as the old Big e exploded and while it was not the primary cause of its demise, ND was the one waving around a lit match. So, the ACC takes on ND under yet another 'special' deal. Adding ND in the short-term may have saved the conference; but the addition of ND could cause the destruction of the ACC in the long-term, too.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

It doesn't have to work that way (offer, turned down), and I never said it did. If you have two candidates rated equally (Louisville and UConn), one candidate is dragging their feet (I need to do due diligence, give me more details, give me time to think it over) and the other is eager (I'll commit today), you may go with the eager candidate -- especially if you fear a snowballing loss of confidence among members leading to a Florida State/Clemson exit with any public sign of weakness.

And any B1G overture would lead UConn to explore its options and take time for a detailed comparison of financials.

If there was a deal between the B1G And UConn and if UConn was going to join for the next TV Contract (2017?), word would have gotten out by now, especially on the football side of things. Rutgers' relatively successful first season in the B1G (8-5 overall, 3 wins in conference play, bowl win over UNC) was in part due to the 'leak' to recruits about the pending jump before it happened. Saying you, a prospective, 3/4 star recruit, can play in B1G football, even if their facilities are lacking, is huge. If UConn was jumping up in 2017, the recruiting would have to pick-up this year at the latest for UConn to have a chance at being competitive in football as football is not basketball where just 1 or 2 marquee recruits and turn a team around.

 

[pj]

Really? Because they can't add UConn anytime they feel the need or desire?

You are trying to create an alternate CR universe that has no basis in reality.

Just a few days ago on the Car Wash thread the putative Wake insider said that the ACC wanted UConn, but couldn't get us because we were ticketed to the B1G.

No, it's very possible that the ACC can't add UConn anytime they feel the desire.

We shall see what the reality is in time. But I've been around the business world long enough to see that things that make sense, generally take place.

 

[pj]

If there was a deal between the B1G And UConn and if UConn was going to join for the next TV Contract (2017?), word would have gotten out by now, especially on the football side of things. Rutgers' relatively successful first season in the B1G (8-5 overall, 3 wins in conference play, bowl win over UNC) was in part due to the 'leak' to recruits about the pending jump before it happened. Saying you, a prospective, 3/4 star recruit, can play in B1G football, even if their facilities are lacking, is huge. If UConn was jumping up in 2017, the recruiting would have to pick-up this year at the latest for UConn to have a chance at being competitive in football as football is not basketball where just 1 or 2 marquee recruits and turn a team around.

I don't think anything is settled. Realignment is interacting with the TV contract. Until a deal closes, you don't talk about it. We may hear a few weeks in advance of the public announcement.

And football recruiting is of minor importance compared to the B1G deal. You don't jeopardize a deal of that magnitude for a small advantage in recruiting.

 

[whaler11]

Just a few days ago on the Car Wash thread the putative Wake insider said that the ACC wanted UConn, but couldn't get us because we were ticketed to the B1G.

No, it's very possible that the ACC can't add UConn anytime they feel the desire.

We shall see what the reality is in time. But I've been around the business world long enough to see that things that make sense, generally take place.

Here is some inside scoop: The Wake Forest car wash guy doesn't have any inside information.

Neither does GS, The Dood, MH or any of our Gopher friends.

There are probably 1,000 rumors that have been posted on this board and not a single one has come to fruition.

If you don't think the ACC can add UConn tomorrow it really isn't worth discussing. The evidence that UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten is.... that there is no evidence UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten. It's something people on a message board have talked each other into.

One would think the UConn turned down the ACC nonsense would have died with HFD, but I guess he lives on in spirit.

 

[lne001]

The thing is, Rutgers has always had a big market and has always been located in an area of high school sports talent - in just about every sport imaginable. Yet they never win anything. They still go crazy over that epic third-place finish in 2006. Why? Because they have nothing else - literally nothing else since the Ford Administration - to brag about.

Yet changing their conference label to B1G is going to turn them from losers into winners? Overnight? Really?

Up until the early 70's Rutgers was a male only school, with some 4,000+ students, who played Ivy League schools, Yankee Conference schools, Lehigh, Laffayette and Bucknell. Sports were an extracurricular activity at best, but they were competitive at that level.

In the early 80's they decided to go bigger time in football and basketball, but with absolutely no financial support. This resulted in absolute failure, as would be expected. It was over 20 years later before they finally starting making any real efforts with the hiring of Schiano, but financials were still a burden.

Today it is a school with 42,000 students and an administration which finally thinks sports might be worth something. Membership in the B1G will rectify the financials shortly. Will they became a sports factory overnight? Of course not. Could they become one eventually? Who knows.

 

[Hoophound]

Here is some inside scoop: The Wake Forest car wash guy doesn't have any inside information. Neither does GS, The Dood, MH or any of our Gopher friends. There are probably 1,000 rumors that have been posted on this board and not a single one has come to fruition. If you don't think the ACC can add UConn tomorrow it really isn't worth discussing. The evidence that UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten is.... that there is no evidence UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten. It's something people on a message board have talked each other into. One would think the UConn turned down the ACC nonsense would have died with HFD, but I guess he lives on in spirit.

True. However, I don't think there will be any evidence we are being invited anywhere until we are invited. Gossip, rumors and reading of the tea leaves seems acceptable under those circumstances.

I remember thinking it was crazy to believe that RU coaches were telling recruits they were joining the Big Ten. I thought, "No way they'd do that and risk pissing off the Big Ten".

 

[lne001]

Right now you fall into that category of the RU fan chest thumping about being in the B1G. ...how bad your athletic facilities are. Pernetti helped you guys get into the B1G more than you will EVER know.

Chest thumping! Really. Which of my actual words is chest thumping?

Their athletic facilities are lousy, so why would you not want her to pressure for better? The exception is the football stadium seating 53,000 on campus (a facility that UConn would give its right nut for). A stadium, by the way, whose expansion the Rutgers Athletic Department is paying off as part of its budget.

Finally Pernetti's predecessor, Robert Mulcahy, was the one who did most of the heavy lifting. He, Pernetti and Herrman were all trashed by the Newark Star Ledger, a Jersey newspaper which launched a crusade against Rutgers athletics which makes the Courant look like UConn's biggest booster. The result was the firing of the first two. I expect Julie to do fine, as she trained under Tom Jurich, the guy who ate UConn's lunch.

Several posts above I wished UConn well in getting into the B1G. Please worry about your own house, Rutgers will worry about its.

 

[noeynox]

These are tweets right? I just searched '@MH3' and that twitter handle was for some Malaysian guy or something. Just wondering where this MH3 is spewing his b.s. from

Everyone knows Malaysia is where the true insiders reside.

 

[UConn9604]

Chest thumping! Really. Which of my actual words is chest thumping?

Their athletic facilities are lousy, so why would you not want her to pressure for better? The exception is the football stadium seating 53,000 on campus (a facility that UConn would give its right nut for). A stadium, by the way, whose expansion the Rutgers Athletic Department is paying off as part of its budget.

Finally Pernetti's predecessor, Robert Mulcahy, was the one who did most of the heavy lifting. He, Pernetti and Herrman were all trashed by the Newark Star Ledger, a Jersey newspaper which launched a crusade against Rutgers athletics which makes the Courant look like UConn's biggest booster. The result was the firing of the first two. I expect Julie to do fine, as she trained under Tom Jurich, the guy who ate UConn's lunch.

Several posts above I wished UConn well in getting into the B1G. Please worry about your own house, Rutgers will worry about its.

The only thing I'd want (and would not forego a testicle for) is an on-campus stadium. I've been to Rutgers Stadium (most recently in 2008, not since any recent expansion), and let's just say that I'd much, much rather have The Rent. It's not close, either.

 

[whaler11]

True. However, I don't think there will be any evidence we are being invited anywhere until we are invited. Gossip, rumors and reading of the tea leaves seems acceptable under those circumstances.

I remember thinking it was crazy to believe that RU coaches were telling recruits they were joining the Big Ten. I thought, "No way they'd do that and risk pissing off the Big Ten".

Sure, UConn could end up in the Big Ten. I still think UConn will end up in the ACC.

That's different than it's in the works or a foregone conclusion.

 

[whaler11]

True. However, I don't think there will be any evidence we are being invited anywhere until we are invited. Gossip, rumors and reading of the tea leaves seems acceptable under those circumstances.

I remember thinking it was crazy to believe that RU coaches were telling recruits they were joining the Big Ten. I thought, "No way they'd do that and risk pissing off the Big Ten".

Sure, UConn could end up in the Big Ten. I still think UConn will end up in the ACC.

That's different than it's in the works or a foregone conclusion.

 

[TruDomGopher]

Here is some inside scoop: The Wake Forest car wash guy doesn't have any inside information.

Neither does GS, The Dood, MH or any of our Gopher friends.

There are probably 1,000 rumors that have been posted on this board and not a single one has come to fruition.

If you don't think the ACC can add UConn tomorrow it really isn't worth discussing. The evidence that UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten is.... that there is no evidence UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten. It's something people on a message board have talked each other into.

One would think the UConn turned down the ACC nonsense would have died with HFD, but I guess he lives on in spirit.

True--and false. Yeah, I don't know anything but I do know that the persistent Notre Dame rumors I heard ultimately proved true. Yeah, I didn't know Rutgers was in the B1G until it was announced but there had been persistent rumors in B1G country. Yeah, I heard rumors about Maryland, too, and totally discounted them because I never thought that would happen. (Maryland really caught me by surprise even though I had heard it in the rumor mill.)

Yeah, I don't have know anything but there have been persistent rumors coming in from unlikely directions about UConn and not just message boards.

You can't live on hope forever but the rumor only has to come to fruition once. Meantime, the talk goes on...

 

[whaler11]

Chest thumping! Really. Which of my actual words is chest thumping?

Their athletic facilities are lousy, so why would you not want her to pressure for better? The exception is the football stadium seating 53,000 on campus (a facility that UConn would give its right nut for). A stadium, by the way, whose expansion the Rutgers Athletic Department is paying off as part of its budget.

Finally Pernetti's predecessor, Robert Mulcahy, was the one who did most of the heavy lifting. He, Pernetti and Herrman were all trashed by the Newark Star Ledger, a Jersey newspaper which launched a crusade against Rutgers athletics which makes the Courant look like UConn's biggest booster. The result was the firing of the first two. I expect Julie to do fine, as she trained under Tom Jurich, the guy who ate UConn's lunch.

Several posts above I wished UConn well in getting into the B1G. Please worry about your own house, Rutgers will worry about its.

You know where it's a great place to worry about Rutgers' house? Anywhere else in the world but here.

 

[jostar1]

Here is some inside scoop: The Wake Forest car wash guy doesn't have any inside information.

Neither does GS, The Dood, MH or any of our Gopher friends.

There are probably 1,000 rumors that have been posted on this board and not a single one has come to fruition.

If you don't think the ACC can add UConn tomorrow it really isn't worth discussing. The evidence that UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten is.... that there is no evidence UConn is a candidate for the Big Ten. It's something people on a message board have talked each other into.

One would think the UConn turned down the ACC nonsense would have died with HFD, but I guess he lives on in spirit.

You are discounting rumors. Well, here is HFD's post from Sept. 12, 2012 regarding rumors of Rutgers and Maryland going to the Big 10. I guess he got it from the Rutgers board. The formal announcement of Rutgers to the Big 10 was made two months later, on Nov. 20, 2012.

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/rutgers-important-ppl.24405/

 

[whaler11]

You are discounting rumors. Well, here is HFD's post from Sept. 12, 2012 regarding rumors of Rutgers and Maryland going to the Big 10. I guess he got it from the Rutgers board. The formal announcement of Rutgers to the Big 10 was made one month later, on Nov. 20, 2012.

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/rutgers-important-ppl.24405/

By this point every potential change in conference realignment has been 'rumored' by someone somewhere. HFD wasn't exactly batting 1.000 after the first sentence he lifted.

Someone on the Rutgers board having something about Rutgers makes sense. The rumors that get bandied about here aren't quite of that nature. Someone seeing 'BIG' in their alpha-bits isn't a sign - it's just a delicious breakfast.

 

[FDNY99]

Chest thumping! Really. Which of my actual words is chest thumping?

Their athletic facilities are lousy, so why would you not want her to pressure for better? The exception is the football stadium seating 53,000 on campus (a facility that UConn would give its right nut for). A stadium, by the way, whose expansion the Rutgers Athletic Department is paying off as part of its budget.

Finally Pernetti's predecessor, Robert Mulcahy, was the one who did most of the heavy lifting. He, Pernetti and Herrman were all trashed by the Newark Star Ledger, a Jersey newspaper which launched a crusade against Rutgers athletics which makes the Courant look like UConn's biggest booster. The result was the firing of the first two. I expect Julie to do fine, as she trained under Tom Jurich, the guy who ate UConn's lunch.

Several posts above I wished UConn well in getting into the B1G. Please worry about your own house, Rutgers will worry about its.

I didn't see your post that you mention...I was referring to your comment here:
Rutgers has more B1G potential than UConn - size of market, high school sports talent, media market, etc. If UConn were such a prize then they would have already been in a much better conference by now
Tom Jurich ate Jeff Hathaways Lunch NOT UCONN's lunch. Jurich was able to get rid of his abysmal his of Steve Kragthorpe and replace him with Charlie Strong at the right time...Hathaway was an inept who I wouldn't wish on anyone. I hope Hermann works out for you guys...I always thought Pernetti got a raw deal and should still be there. From the outside I thought Tim Pernetti was the best AD in the BE...better than Jurich by far...because he worked a lot of magic with a limited budget. I guess we both have on-campus facilities each would die for then...I'm sure RU would LOVE to have the Basketball practice facility, and the indoor field of the football facility. I'll even throw in Gampel too. Good luck with your season.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Up until the early 70's Rutgers was a male only school, with some 4,000+ students, who played Ivy League schools, Yankee Conference schools, Lehigh, Laffayette and Bucknell. Sports were an extracurricular activity at best, but they were competitive at that level.

In the early 80's they decided to go bigger time in football and basketball, but with absolutely no financial support. This resulted in absolute failure, as would be expected. It was over 20 years later before they finally starting making any real efforts with the hiring of Schiano, but financials were still a burden.

Today it is a school with 42,000 students and an administration which finally thinks sports might be worth something. Membership in the B1G will rectify the financials shortly. Will they became a sports factory overnight? Of course not. Could they become one eventually? Who knows.

Even with B1G exposure and money, it ay take a LONG time for Rutgers to turn things around athletically. Their current AD is incompetent. Their President was hired due based on his experience running medical research universities. The Governor would burn Rutgers to the ground if it would improve his GOP Presidential polling numbers a few points. Thus, Rutgers has limited leadership. Throw in an adversarial faculty who act like they are Princeton North and are activity trying to eliminate the $47 million subsidy (as of 2014) that the University provides the Athletic department annually. Most of Rutgers 'new' money from donations and the B1G are going to help reduce the subsidy and the debt load that the University took on with its merger with the medical school (UMDNJ). Thus, no idea how Rutgers is going to pay for needed athletic upgrades (new basketball arena & practice facility, indoor football practice facility, ice hockey upgrade, etc.)

 

[CL82]

Even with B1G exposure and money, it ay take a LONG time for Rutgers to turn things around athletically. Their current AD is incompetent. Their President was hired due based on his experience running medical research universities. The Governor would burn Rutgers to the ground if it would improve his GOP Presidential polling numbers a few points. Thus, Rutgers has limited leadership. Throw in an adversarial faculty who act like they are Princeton North and are activity trying to eliminate the $47 million subsidy (as of 2014) that the University provides the Athletic department annually. Most of Rutgers 'new' money from donations and the B1G are going to help reduce the subsidy and the debt load that the University took on with its merger with the medical school (UMDNJ). Thus, no idea how Rutgers is going to pay for needed athletic upgrades (new basketball arena & practice facility, indoor football practice facility, ice hockey upgrade, etc.)

Mmm, disagree somewhat Coney. I think we are the very beginning of a turnaround for RU. As I've posted elsewhere, anecdotal evidence suggests that interest/school pride is increasing. There are plans for a build out to reconnect the campus to the Raritan and generally give it a more connected feel. When they receive their full B1G share that will certainly help their finances. Faculty would be wise to realize that athletics got them into the CIC. Too early to tell but B1G membership may be something that even Rutgers can't screw up. (Although the Herman hire is a first class effort to do just that.)

 

[jostar1]

David Borges‏@DaveBorges
Jim Calhoun said there's been talk of him doing mostly Big Ten games this season on ESPN.

Here is the video where Calhoun mentions doing Big10 commentary for ESPN. The reporter asks him what he is busy doing at 1:40. Immediately after he talks about doing the Big10 commentary for ESPN, he mentions working with Susan Herbst, who he says is terrific, and speaking engagements.

http://sportzedge.com/2015/08/11/jim-calhoun-dishes-on-espn-his-role-in-uconn-program/

 

[CL82]

"Next thing you know I'm talking with Glenn Miller about a zone press."

 

[CTMike]

Here is the video where Calhoun mentions doing Big10 commentary for ESPN. The reporter asks him what he is busy doing at 1:40. Immediately after he talks about doing the Big10 commentary for ESPN, he mentions working with Susan Herbst, who he says is terrific, and speaking engagements.

http://sportzedge.com/2015/08/11/jim-calhoun-dishes-on-espn-his-role-in-uconn-program/

All hands on deck!

 

[Husky25]

"Next thing you know I'm talking with Glenn Miller about a zone press."

The phrase, "Next thing you know," always makes me think of Tommy Boy for some reason.

"The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times." - Tommy Callahan

part of, quietly, one of the funniest monologues of the movie.

 

[CallMeBruce]

The phrase, "Next thing you know," always makes me think of Tommy Boy for some reason.

"The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times." - Tommy Callahan

part of, quietly, one of the funniest monologues of the movie.

A classic piece of American cinema, to be sure. Chris Farley was a genius.