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[UConnJim]

This nonsense comes up time and time again.

No, they're not.

If your athletic department is currently in a P5 conference and remains in one, they are not in trouble. The money will be there.

If your athletic department is not in a P5 conference and doesn't manage to get in one, you are in trouble. The money, despite ridiculous talk about a "P6", will never be there.

Public, private, no matter.

Totally disagree. You think $15 to $20 million per year is enough to stabilize the athletic program at a private school like Syracuse? They are at the mercy of the State of NY for their football and basketball facility. Do you think Syracuse could ever replace the Carrier Dome without public support?

Have you ever been to BC to see their athletic facilities? They are not very P5-like and I don't see major improvements coming in the future. Ever wonder why BC can't keep any decent football or basketball coach? Their athletic department does not have the money to pay them.

Where is Miami's football stadium? Doesn't exist. Their endowment per student is lower than Syracuse's.

Think about this. Since the BCS started in 1998, how many of the 12 P5 private schools have played in a BCS football game and the Final 4? One: Syracuse and they played in the BCS game 15 years ago.

Private schools are at a major disadvantage to public schools and the chasm is getting bigger and bigger. Can they even afford to spend to keep up?

 

[itgoeslike]

I doubt WV ever ends up in the ACC. If that were the case, they would have already been there. WV just isn't a valuable enough territory for that conference given all their other locations. I could see Cincy end up before WV simply to get the conference into Ohio, particularly with ND to the north and Lvl to the south.

I guess one could argue that with the demise of the Big 12 the ACC can be more selective, but I think the earnings gap will still be a threat to stability and they need football credibility, with or without a network, and WVU would help. Plus Clemson and FSU would welcome the move. It's possible Cincy is added with WVU since they already have Louisville and Pitt, which would provide a western flank. There's also a possibility WVU lands in the SEC or even the AAC depending upon how things play out.

 

[Fishy]

Oh, my lord.

Please stop talking.

If Syracuse never replaces the Carrier Dome....so what? How would their situation differ from ours if we needed to replace Gampel or the Rent? We're entirely dependent on the state, so claiming any sort of dependency on Syracuse's part to be a negative is very glass-housey.

As a private school, Syracuse's athletic revenue exceeds ours before you even count the first penny from the network. A few years ago, our athletic departments were the same size - they're $20,000,000 ahead now. At $90M, there's no "chasm" between them and most publics.

They're fine. Boston College is fine. Miami fine. And you're bad at math.

 

[whaler11]

What is he talking about? Is there some secret wormhole from Provo to Morgantown that scientists have discovered?

Under what circumstances does that help WVU? It puts their football team out further on an island and at best is neutral to the rest of their Olympic sports because they wouldn't have to travel out there, but still wouldn't have any closer schools.

I had to read it 10 times but I'm pretty sure he means Football Only means the travel isn't a big deal. Versus all sports where it would be a big deal.

 

[CTMike]

Call me crazy but if I'm a school cashing 8 figure checks annually... I'm gonna want to keep doing that.

 

[UConnJim]

Oh, my lord.

Please stop talking.

If Syracuse never replaces the Carrier Dome....so what? How would their situation differ from ours if we needed to replace Gampel or the Rent? We're entirely dependent on the state, so claiming any sort of dependency on Syracuse's part to be a negative is very glass-housey.

As a private school, Syracuse's athletic revenue exceeds ours before you even count the first penny from the network. A few years ago, our athletic departments were the same size - they're $20,000,000 ahead now. At $90M, there's no "chasm" between them and most publics.

They're fine. Boston College is fine. Miami fine. And you're bad at math.

So Syracuse can count on NY state to fund their athletic needs? Maybe. Can UConn depend on the state of Connecticut? It appears they can based on recent investments in athletic facilities by the state. And, if UConn needs money for more professors, more classrooms, more dorms... they turn to the state, not their endowment. The endowment is all Syracuse has!

Of course UConn needs more money and is at a disadvantage to those schools caring bigger media checks. But, in the long run, I believe UConn will be better off than most of the private schools.

 

[Fishy]

So the school that has an endowment that's over three times the size of ours and an athletic budget that's 25% higher and revenue that's probably 40% higher is in trouble?

That's some Boneyard Econ right there.

 

[Section138]

Totally disagree. You think $15 to $20 million per year is enough to stabilize the athletic program at a private school like Syracuse? They are at the mercy of the State of NY for their football and basketball facility. Do you think Syracuse could ever replace the Carrier Dome without public support?

Have you ever been to BC to see their athletic facilities? They are not very P5-like and I don't see major improvements coming in the future. Ever wonder why BC can't keep any decent football or basketball coach? Their athletic department does not have the money to pay them.

Where is Miami's football stadium? Doesn't exist. Their endowment per student is lower than Syracuse's.

Think about this. Since the BCS started in 1998, how many of the 12 P5 private schools have played in a BCS football game and the Final 4? One: Syracuse and they played in the BCS game 15 years ago.

Private schools are at a major disadvantage to public schools and the chasm is getting bigger and bigger. Can they even afford to spend to keep up?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

So Syracuse can count on NY state to fund their athletic needs? Maybe. Can UConn depend on the state of Connecticut? It appears they can based on recent investments in athletic facilities by the state. And, if UConn needs money for more professors, more classrooms, more dorms... they turn to the state, not their endowment. The endowment is all Syracuse has!

Of course UConn needs more money and is at a disadvantage to those schools caring bigger media checks. But, in the long run, I believe UConn will be better off than most of the private schools.

Connecticut's budget is a sea of red ink until eternity or bankruptcy. The latter could occur quite soon actually. I can just about guarantee that the state is going to be cutting funding to UConn and education in general over the next few years. Tuitions are going to increase, and non-essential spending will decrease.

The state is not going to raise taxes on every resident to pay for the football, no matter how hardcore the 5k fans that showed up for SMU think they are.

 

[Section138]

Totally disagree. You think $15 to $20 million per year is enough to stabilize the athletic program at a private school like Syracuse? They are at the mercy of the State of NY for their football and basketball facility. Do you think Syracuse could ever replace the Carrier Dome without public support?

Have you ever been to BC to see their athletic facilities? They are not very P5-like and I don't see major improvements coming in the future. Ever wonder why BC can't keep any decent football or basketball coach? Their athletic department does not have the money to pay them.

Where is Miami's football stadium? Doesn't exist. Their endowment per student is lower than Syracuse's.

Think about this. Since the BCS started in 1998, how many of the 12 P5 private schools have played in a BCS football game and the Final 4? One: Syracuse and they played in the BCS game 15 years ago.

Private schools are at a major disadvantage to public schools and the chasm is getting bigger and bigger. Can they even afford to spend to keep up?

I believe Stanford has played in a few.... no?

 

[Section138]

Totally disagree. You think $15 to $20 million per year is enough to stabilize the athletic program at a private school like Syracuse? They are at the mercy of the State of NY for their football and basketball facility. Do you think Syracuse could ever replace the Carrier Dome without public support?

Have you ever been to BC to see their athletic facilities? They are not very P5-like and I don't see major improvements coming in the future. Ever wonder why BC can't keep any decent football or basketball coach? Their athletic department does not have the money to pay them.

Where is Miami's football stadium? Doesn't exist. Their endowment per student is lower than Syracuse's.

Think about this. Since the BCS started in 1998, how many of the 12 P5 private schools have played in a BCS football game and the Final 4? One: Syracuse and they played in the BCS game 15 years ago.

Private schools are at a major disadvantage to public schools and the chasm is getting bigger and bigger. Can they even afford to spend to keep up?

Also, didn't UCF beat Baylor??

 

[Fishy]

I believe Stanford has played in a few.... no?

Don't even bother - it's an off the wall metric.

 

[CL82]

So the school that has an endowment that's over three times the size of ours and an athletic budget that's 25% higher and revenue that's probably 40% higher is in trouble?

That's some Boneyard Econ right there.

Well they've got expenses...lawyer's bills...libel lawsuit payoffs...hand sanitizer for the assistant coaches...

 

[junglehusky]

How does UConn pay for this athletic program off a crappy AAC TV contract and 5k people in the seats? I look forward to hearing this.

Go into debt. That's it.

 

[Fishy]

Go into debt. That's it.

The answer tomorrow is the same as the answer today - subsidy.

And prayer.

I understand where the people who are wish-casting and speculating that some members of the P5 are going to somehow die off and let us move up. They're wrong, but desperation makes a lot of dumb s--- make sense. I get it.

Nelson's view is just plain bizarre. We have a revenue and exposure problem - his solution is to make it much worse.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to help.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The answer tomorrow is the same as the answer today - subsidy.

And prayer.

I understand where the people who are wish-casting and speculating that some members of the P5 are going to somehow die off and let us move up. They're wrong, but desperation makes a lot of dumb s--- make sense. I get it.

Nelson's view is just plain bizarre. We have a revenue and exposure problem - his solution is to make it much worse.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to help.

In fairness to Nelson his view is more along the lines of turning UConn into the University of Vermont. Perhaps he still gets aroused when thinking about late 1960's Yankee Conference matchups.

 

[UConnJim]

So the school that has an endowment that's over three times the size of ours and an athletic budget that's 25% higher and revenue that's probably 40% higher is in trouble?

That's some Boneyard Econ right there.

When all you have is tuition and your endowment and your endowment is $56k per student, you have zero financial flexibility. Tuition is not going up at a high rate at privates like Syracuse anymore and your endowment can not produce enough income. Without state backing, I would say Syracuse has to be very careful with their money.

 

[uchusky32]

The answer tomorrow is the same as the answer today - subsidy.

And prayer.

I understand where the people who are wish-casting and speculating that some members of the P5 are going to somehow die off and let us move up. They're wrong, but desperation makes a lot of dumb s--- make sense. I get it.

Nelson's view is just plain bizarre. We have a revenue and exposure problem - his solution is to make it much worse.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to help.

Fishy, that's what I don't understand why would a school leave when the money keeps going up? If you leave you will never get back. Which President and AD are going to make that call? Just bizarre.

By the way how's my fellow Admiral doing?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The answer tomorrow is the same as the answer today - subsidy.

And prayer.

I understand where the people who are wish-casting and speculating that some members of the P5 are going to somehow die off and let us move up. They're wrong, but desperation makes a lot of dumb s--- make sense. I get it.

Nelson's view is just plain bizarre. We have a revenue and exposure problem - his solution is to make it much worse.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to help.

My position is that we need more money, and we need to do WHATEVER we have to do to make that happen. 90% of this board's position is that thumbs up butt for next 5 years will result in Big 10 invitation.

 

[FDNY99]

My position is that we need more money, and we need to do WHATEVER we have to do to make that happen. 90% of this board's position is that thumbs up butt for next 5 years will result in Big 10 invitation.

Ok Nelson....I have a question for you..do you do YOUR part to help UCONN make $$ by purchasing season tickets or even just single game tickets through the University for athletic events?

 

[Husky25]

My position is that we need more money, and we need to do WHATEVER we have to do to make that happen. 90% of this board's position is that thumbs up butt for next 5 years will result in Big 10 invitation.

That is not anyone's position here.

90% of this board recognizes that the School Administration is probably doing everything they can to improve the school's profile.

90% of this board also recognizes that the ONLY way into a P-5 conference is with football.

Given those two near-certainties, the position of 90% of this board is use the exit fees and Tournament shares we currently possess while the school makes itself more attractive for a P-5 invitation than it was in 2012.

Your position is to throw away that life raft, while pursuing a nominal increase in TV money, which potentially (probably) won't be there for the much referred to conference in 5 years .

 

[Fishy]

My position is that we need more money, and we need to do WHATEVER we have to do to make that happen. 90% of this board's position is that thumbs up butt for next 5 years will result in Big 10 invitation.

And how does your plan help any of that?

 

[1husky]

That is not anyone's position here.

90% of this board recognizes that the School Administration is probably doing everything they can to improve the school's profile.

90% of this board also recognizes that the ONLY way into a P-5 conference is with football.

Given those two near-certainties, the position of 90% of this board is use the exit fees and Tournament shares we currently possess while the school makes itself more attractive for a P-5 invitation than it was in 2012.

Your position is to throw away that life raft, while pursuing a nominal increase in TV money, which potentially (probably) won't be there for the much referred to conference in 5 years .

Unfortunately, Nelson is right. And for some reason 90% of this board thinks that having 1 of 3 landing spots implode and waiting 5 - 10 years to get our football program in order somehow helps us. We're currently in 5th place and dropping fast but adding another 5-10 schools to the free market and one less league helps us? 90% of this board somehow thinks we are going to elevate from the AAC and $2M / year to the B1G at $40M / year just because our profile is improved. In reality our profile is declining in the college sports world...We've got about 2-3 years max before the state pulls the plug or Malloy is driven from the governor's mansion with pitchforks and torches and our football program going undefeated in the AAC for the next 2-3 years won't mean squat to anyone including the B1G and our own fan base!

 

[businesslawyer]

There are posters who would watch UMass get picked over us for a P5 and say "Warde is doing the best he can".

It must be nice to be able to see the future. Because otherwise, you'd just be putting words in people's mouth totally out of the blue again.

 

[UConnJim]

Fishy, that's what I don't understand why would a school leave when the money keeps going up? If you leave you will never get back. Which President and AD are going to make that call? Just bizarre.

By the way how's my fellow Admiral doing?

Obviously, no school is leaving tomorrow. I am talking about down the road. Schools have moved conferences over time and schools will continue to move conferences over time. Anybody who thinks that college sports realignment is over is kidding themselves. And, schools will face tough choices down the road. Can I afford to build a new stadium? Can I afford to pay a coach to be competitive? Can I pay player stipends? Do I even want the university to be part of a sports minor league?

Think about this. Syracuse football has been ranked once at the end of the season in the last 16 years. Why? Antiquated facilities. Hiring coaches on the cheap.... All comes back to investing in athletics and this eventually impacts revenue generation. Financially, private colleges are most at risk due to the size of their endowments and the limited ability to raise tuition prices anymore.