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TRest said:
There is no real reason a conference like the ACC needs to backfill if it loses a couple of members. As long as they have 12, they have their championship game. Why add more schools when you already have plenty of dead weight as it is? I just don't think there is some end game where there will be 4 or 5 power conferences with 16 teams each.
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Well, they did it last time they lost someone.
 
CL82 said:
(I don't believe ESPN or Fox would stop paying the Big 12's television rights fee because they could be sued for helping to encourage the existing Big 12 schools to change conferences. Why would the schools be leaving for the Pac 12 and the Big Ten? For more TV money. Where does that money come from? ESPN and Fox's deals with the two conferences. It's no surprise that no conference has ever lost its television package over the loss of members. Now what would happen when the TV contracts ran out? The conference might well die). ​

Yeah and ESPN would never fund the evisceration of a conference leaving it to whither and die.
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That came after ESPN offered the Big East a fair deal they turned down. The Big East committed suicide.

ESPN was just the pharmacist who filled the RX for the sleeping pills.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Well, they did it last time they lost someone.
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Supposedly it's like a chess game where conferences are grabbing schools to capture or block others from entering markets. UL was a possibility to the B12 or SEC (long shot), so was snatched up. Pitt was supposedly looked at as a possibility to the B12, so also snatched up. And the ACC strategy always seems to be looking for football relevance by addition, since the existing schools can never get it done. So add FSU, Miami, UL, in a constant attempt to stay relevant in football. We have correctly been perceived as a school that will always be available if the situation presents itself.
 
TRest said:
Supposedly it's like a chess game where conferences are grabbing schools to capture or block others from entering markets. UL was a possibility to the B12 or SEC (long shot), so was snatched up. Pitt was supposedly looked at as a possibility to the B12, so also snatched up. And the ACC strategy always seems to be looking for football relevance by addition, since the existing schools can never get it done. So add FSU, Miami, UL, in a constant attempt to stay relevant in football. We have correctly been perceived as a school that will always be available if the situation presents itself.
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This would be that situation. If the B1G and SEC are encroaching on the ACC's territory from both sides, then adding WVU and UConn would be the best way for them to patch the holes made and shore up their weak spots.
 
whaler11 said:
That came after ESPN offered the Big East a fair deal they turned down. The Big East committed suicide.

ESPN was just the pharmacist who filled the RX for the sleeping pills.
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Disagree. The deal was worst of "P6." In an era where each deal was making more than the last, ESPN offered them a worse deal that the ACC, a conference that we outperformed consistently. Now as it turned out is was the wrong decision but it wasn't suicide.

If you are selling a car with an FMV $15,000 and guy comes up and offers you $5,000 and then shoots you when you say no, your decision turned out to be the wrong one but it wasn't suicide.
 
CL82 said:
Disagree. The deal was worst of "P6." In an era where each deal was making more than the last, ESPN offered them a worse deal that the ACC, a conference that we outperformed consistently. Now as it turned out is was the wrong decision but it wasn't suicide.

If you are selling a car with an FMV $15,000 and guy comes up and offers you $5,000 and then shoots you when you say no, your decision turned out to be the wrong one but it wasn't suicide.
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The deal was more than fair. They turned it down. Now the majority that turned it down did better - but for that group of schools the offer was plenty fair.
 
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whaler11 said:
The deal was more than fair. They turned it down. Now the majority that turned it down did better - but for that group of schools the offer was plenty fair.
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Disagree but hindsight being what it is, I wish that we had taken it.
 
The Eastern Conference, by not being being formed, became the moth's wing beat in Siberia that ultimately caused the damaging winds over Hawaii.

The foundation of conference realignments IMHO goes back to 1981 when Paterno's vision of an Eastern Conference did not materialize.

In 1991, when the Big East transitioned from basketball to a football/basketball conference, it did so without Penn State who had joined the Big Ten in 1990. It might have been a different landscape had the Nittany Lions played in an Eastern Conference.

Penn State leaving independence for the Big Ten and the formation of the Big East hurried the end for the last southern independents...VT joined the Big East for football in 1991, Miami joined the Big East in 1991, South Carolina joined the SEC in 1992, FSU joined the ACC in 1992.

And away we have been to the races.
 
I think a rekindle of the PAC taking UT, TT, OU and OKS would help UConn.

The PAC will be stronger in fb this year, and perhaps the reality of adding 3 more strong fb teams enamors them.
 
billybud said:
The Eastern Conference, by not being being formed, became the moth's wing beat in Siberia that ultimately caused the damaging winds over Hawaii.

The foundation of conference realignments IMHO goes back to 1981 when Paterno's vision of an Eastern Conference did not materialize.

In 1991, when the Big East transitioned from basketball to a football/basketball conference, it did so without Penn State who had joined the Big Ten in 1990. It might have been a different landscape had the Nittany Lions played in an Eastern Conference.

Penn State leaving independence for the Big Ten and the formation of the Big East hurried the end for the last southern independents...VT joined the Big East for football in 1991, Miami joined the Big East in 1991, South Carolina joined the SEC in 1992, FSU joined the ACC in 1992.

And away we have been to the races.
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Actually, Penn State inquired about joining the Big East (it was Paterno's first choice) and was rejected because of their poor basketball program. PSU was already in talks with the Big10, but some feel they would have gone to the Big East.
 
dayooper said:
Actually, Penn State inquired about joining the Big East (it was Paterno's first choice) and was rejected because of their poor basketball program. PSU was already in talks with the Big10, but some feel they would have gone to the Big East.
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the first time the Catholics screwed the pooch......it was pretty evident watching the 30 for 30 Requiem for the Big East who voted no,
 
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And here we go:
Latest tweet from MH3:
Latest from B12 expansion committee discussions.looking at possibility of adding 2 in the east in all sports and 2 in the west in tv only

MH3: Should've said fb not tv. Auto correct mishap
 
But what do they consider east? Would Cinci and Menphis be two from the East?
UCF and USF? ECU and UConn?
 
CL82 said:
But what do they consider east? Would Cinci and Menphis be two from the East?
UCF and USF? ECU and UConn?
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I don't think he's intelligent enough to know the difference between east/west...north/south
 
FDNY99 said:
And here we go:
Latest tweet from MH3:
Latest from B12 expansion committee discussions.looking at possibility of adding 2 in the east in all sports and 2 in the west in tv only

MH3: Should've said fb not tv. Auto correct mishap
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This is not crazy. BYU may actually prefer to be football only. UConn and Cincinnati bring the most firepower in hoops.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This is not crazy. BYU may actually prefer to be football only. UConn and Cincinnati bring the most firepower in hoops.
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If we're taking the Dude seriously - major IF - who's the other western team? Boise? That would make sense, and would give them at a numerical layer of insulation if Texas or Oklahoma bolts (allowing them to stay at 12+ and keep a championship game, just like the 2011 addition of Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC at a time when Florida State and Clemson were looking around).
 
Yeah if the WCC would take Boise like they did BYU - it actually does make sense.

Makes so much sense why would they bother with anyone else?
 
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The Sundays thing is a really, really big deal for BYU. The Big 12 basketball programs rarely play on Sundays anyway, but BYU does not want to play even one Sunday a year. This is why the Pac 12 was a non-starter. Anyone who has done business with that part of the country knows that Sundays are family time. Would BYU pass up a Big 12 invite over a couple of Sunday basketball games a year? I don't know. I do think BYU would be fine with a football membership though.

Boise will take what they can get. The problem for us is that two very high caliber football only programs may solve the Big 12's CCG problem.

I believe MH on this. Doesn't mean it is a done deal, but I feel relatively confident that the Big 12 is at least considering that structure.
 
whaler11 said:
Yeah if the WCC would take Boise like they did BYU - it actually does make sense.

Makes so much sense why would they bother with anyone else?
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To get some eastern schools for WVU which is now on an island. And don't forget that WVU is on the expansion committee.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This is not crazy. BYU may actually prefer to be football only. UConn and Cincinnati bring the most firepower in hoops.
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The schools he mentioned are Cincy/UCF from east...BYU/Boise ftbl only
 
jostar1 said:
To get some eastern schools for WVU which is now on an island. And don't forget that WVU is on the expansion committee.
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Seems to me their media partners might not be willing to fund hundreds of millions of additional dollars just because WVU is lonely.
 
FDNY99 said:
The schools he mentioned are Cincy/UCF from east...BYU/Boise ftbl only
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MH actually had Memphis and Houston in front of us too. If Warde loses on a 4 team expansion to the Big 12 where any of Boise, Memphis, UCF or Houston are picked in front of us, he should be escorted from the premises the day of the announcement.
 
whaler11 said:
Seems to me their media partners might not be willing to fund hundreds of millions of additional dollars just because WVU is lonely.
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BYU and Boise as football only members will partially pay for themselves by folding in their solo deals into a B12 TV contract. Both are big names in football that will create a lot of great matchups for TV. Cincinnati and UConn are a bit different. Both bring good winter programming, which both Fox and ESPN care about, and UConn provides access to the New York market, which ESPN is smart enough to see that they are losing to the BTN.

I don't know if the math will work though. I kinda think that if the math doesn't work for UConn here, it won't work for UConn anywhere.

There is no reason to add Houston or Memphis. Both are in crowded markets and neither really even places on fan radar for football no matter how good they are. UCF has a 76 year old coach and is located in a resort town with a low wage demographic in a broader market where even the #3 program, Miami, has trouble keeping fan interest.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
BYU and Boise as football only members will partially pay for themselves by folding in their solo deals into a B12 TV contract. Both are big names in football that will create a lot of great matchups for TV. Cincinnati and UConn are a bit different. Both bring good winter programming, which both Fox and ESPN care about, and UConn provides access to the New York market, which ESPN is smart enough to see that they are losing to the BTN.

I don't know if the math will work though. I kinda think that if the math doesn't work for UConn here, it won't work for UConn anywhere.

There is no reason to add Houston or Memphis. Both are in crowded markets and neither really even places on fan radar for football no matter how good they are. UCF has a 76 year old coach and is located in a resort town with a low wage demographic in a broader market where even the #3 program, Miami, has trouble keeping fan interest.
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To me if they get Boise and BYU as football onlies they don't need to do anything else at the same time.

Good thing it's the Big 12 and they screw everything to holy hell.
 
whaler11 said:
To me if they get Boise and BYU as football onlies they don't need to do anything else at the same time.

Good thing it's the Big 12 and they screw everything to holy hell.
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Boise and BYU solve the CCG, but they can't do a network without UConn and Cincinnati. It may be that they can't do a network with UConn and Cincinnati.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
BYU and Boise as football only members will partially pay for themselves by folding in their solo deals into a B12 TV contract. Both are big names in football that will create a lot of great matchups for TV. Cincinnati and UConn are a bit different. Both bring good winter programming, which both Fox and ESPN care about, and UConn provides access to the New York market, which ESPN is smart enough to see that they are losing to the BTN.

I don't know if the math will work though. I kinda think that if the math doesn't work for UConn here, it won't work for UConn anywhere.

There is no reason to add Houston or Memphis. Both are in crowded markets and neither really even places on fan radar for football no matter how good they are. UCF has a 76 year old coach and is located in a resort town with a low wage demographic in a broader market where even the #3 program, Miami, has trouble keeping fan interest.
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In regards to fan interest when Memphis is "good." A month ago Memphis passed last year's TOTAL season ticket sales. Memphis also averaged over 40,000 attendance in the mid-2000s. That should happen again this season ... at least.
 
MemphisBlues said:
In regards to fan interest when Memphis is "good." A month ago Memphis passed last year's TOTAL season ticket sales. Memphis also averaged over 40,000 attendance in the mid-2000s. That should happen again this season ... at least.
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What was last year's season ticket number?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Boise and BYU solve the CCG, but they can't do a network without UConn and Cincinnati. It may be that they can't do a network with UConn and Cincinnati.
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I don't even think they have any fantasies of a Big 12 network.
 
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