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[CAtlantic]

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV
Replying to @LarryWilliamsTI
If the ACC adds WVU then their TV contract with ESPN reopens for negotiation.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 2h
Replying to @theDudeofWV and @LarryWilliamsTI
Miami Fl has 300 million to get out of ACC GOR?

Where did Mr. Williams read this about Miami Fl?

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 1h
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI

The ACC is in a pickle in regards to the agreement with the Big Ten and Pac 12. Cross conference games would not add value to their TV deal. Jim Phillips has admitted that fact in public.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 1h
Alliance is a voting block which will be effective on some items…not effective on other items.

ESPN is not going to renegotiate ACC deal on basis of ACC adding someone…contracts are not that paper thin.

ACC is in a pickle..but unless a school has 300 mil it’s a moot point.

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 1h
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI

Most in the ACC are upset with the long term deal Swofford signed with ESPN. There's a faction, including Miami and Clemson, that want WVU added regardless of what ND does. Adding WVU would trigger the automatic renegotiating clause in the contract.

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 1h
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI

WVU, being a P5 program, would trigger that clause. And while WVU is a revenue neutral addition to the ACC, the contract as a whole is undervalued. Ask anybody in the ACC and they will tell you the same. WVU to the ACC is inevitable. It's just a matter of when.

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 1h
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI

Greg, no arguing on this... its in the ACC's contract. A material change of membership, i.e. adding a P5 peer institution, triggers the clause to re-open the contract for negotiation. It's in the public record.

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 56m
I would love to see this public record.

If you have it please share link.

ACC owns media rights of all ACC schools until July 1st, 2036.

ESPN owns distributing rights of pretty much all of ACC content until same date.

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 55m
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI
Google it. I'm not doing this.

 

[billybud]

Nobody but nobody has seen the ACC-ESPN contract....the schools did not get a copy since it was between the conference and ESPN...and the ACC organization itself is not a public body and thus exempt from FOIA....

The Dude is again making up stuff..

 

[HuskyHawk]

Nobody but nobody has seen the ACC-ESPN contract....the schools did not get a copy since it was between the conference and ESPN...and the ACC organization itself is not a public body and thus exempt from FOIA....

The Dude is again making up stuff..

He's a buffoon. ACC isn't likely to add until ND signs on, then it needs another. Whether WVU is the best option...maybe they are, maybe not. With UVA and Pitt it does make some sense. TV market is abysmal, but that matters less than it used to.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 1h
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI

Most in the ACC are upset with the long term deal Swofford signed with ESPN. There's a faction, including Miami and Clemson, that want WVU added regardless of what ND does. Adding WVU would trigger the automatic renegotiating clause in the contract.

I seriously doubt they want that contract opened up right now. The ACC had no real flagship team this season and did not make the playoffs, so at the moment they are not must see TV.

Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV · 1h
Replying to @flugempire and @LarryWilliamsTI

WVU, being a P5 program, would trigger that clause. And while WVU is a revenue neutral addition to the ACC, the contract as a whole is undervalued. Ask anybody in the ACC and they will tell you the same. WVU to the ACC is inevitable. It's just a matter of when.

I wonder if WVU is really revenue neutral for the ACC. 2020 population was only 1.79M. Maybe they add a rival for Pitt, but I would think they're in the lower half of ACC value. I'm sure ESPN would keep everyone whole, so in that sense they are neutral.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

TV market is abysmal, but that matters less than it used to.

I think it still matters in that I don't think WVU garners a heck of a lot of interest outside their market except for ex-patriots. They would need poll relevance to get people to watch. So all we can count on is the people in their market.

 

[Kolumbo]

WVU was the best football program in the Big East when it broke up. If it improves the ACC and hurts the Big 12, it makes sense to do it. And Cincy replaces WVU as the island. Otherwise the ACC remains far behind the P2.

 

[don356]

WVU is highly overrated. He drums that stuff up himself for lack of anything else to do.

 

[billybud]

I have been enjoying ACC smSoccerall sports...the FSU girls run to the Soccer National Campionship,,,the Women's Volleyball Regionals (now at Elite Eight stage), ans some women's basketball....

WVU could add in basketball, soccer, but it is all about football.

 

[Dean Wormer]

WVU was the best football program in the Big East when it broke up. If it improves the ACC and hurts the Big 12, it makes sense to do it. And Cincy replaces WVU as the island. Otherwise the ACC remains far behind the P2.

The Big 12 is a dead man walking. How much more hurt can the ACC do that’ll make any difference?

 

[Waquoit]

Isn't Miami's two decades of suck one reason for the "disappointing contract"? That's chutzpah.

 

[CTBballfan243]

I have been enjoying ACC smSoccerall sports...the FSU girls run to the Soccer National Campionship,,,the Women's Volleyball Regionals (now at Elite Eight stage), ans some women's basketball....

WVU could add in basketball, soccer, but it is all about football.

If the ACC wanted to add a school for basketball, soccer, baseball it would be Uconn not WVU. But that's not gonna happen. The next thing that will happen is that a football only conference will form with all the big boys. The other sports will remain in their regional conferences. Sort of like Hockey East.

 

[billybud]

Isn't Miami's two decades of suck one reason for the "disappointing contract"? That's chutzpah.

Mayhe sucky for Miami...but they won 10 games in 2017 and have had four other seasons in the last ten that were 8 wins or better.

 

[Kolumbo]

Mayhe sucky for Miami...but they won 10 games in 2017 and have had four other seasons in the last ten that were 8 wins or better.

also 10 of the last 16 with 7 or fewer wins. Not quite Ivy League now is it. Looks like University of Illinois!

If the ACC wanted to add a school for basketball, soccer, baseball it would be Uconn not WVU. But that's not gonna happen. The next thing that will happen is that a football only conference will form with all the big boys. The other sports will remain in their regional conferences. Sort of like Hockey East.

It would be great if that were the next thing to happen. If only the power mongers cared about the student athletes and the fans.

 

[Slasher]

If Miami left the conference (not going to happen, but we're playing what ifs), their only option is the Big 12. I think the ACC would take Cincinnati over WVU every day of the week. But would they even go?

 

[ScottVib]

I think the ACC would take Cincinnati over WVU every day of the week. But would they even go?

Yes they would. They'd much rather associate their basketball program with the ACC schools & Notre Dame and the money in the ACC will be better than the remodeled Big XII

 

[Slasher]

Yes they would. They'd much rather associate their basketball program with the ACC schools & Notre Dame and the money in the ACC will be better than the remodeled Big XII

I'm not sure either of those statements are true. I do think culturally they fit better in the ACC. But the basketball is better in the Big 12, and financially it'll likely be close to a wash (assuming the ACC didn't get a renegotiation.)

 

[Kolumbo]

If Miami left the conference (not going to happen, but we're playing what ifs), their only option is the Big 12. I think the ACC would take Cincinnati over WVU every day of the week. But would they even go?

You think so? WVU was a much bigger football name, state flagship. ACC already has Louisville which hasn't turned out great. I think Cincy would go to just because of location but it would eventually get sucked down the black hole like all the other additions.

 

[Slasher]

You think so? WVU was a much bigger football name, state flagship. ACC already has Louisville which hasn't turned out great. I think Cincy would go to just because of location but it would eventually get sucked down the black hole like all the other additions.

WVU is one of the smallest growing states, with a poorer than average populace and no major markets. The closest thing they have to a decent market is Pittsburgh which is already clearly in the fold with Pitt. The entire state of WVA has a smaller population than metro Cincinnati. Their academics are also worse (if that actually matters.) Plus Cincy helps connect the pieces of the ACC between Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Louisville. Plus there's no close major airport which makes travel crappy and believe it or not, that's a factor.

 

[Kolumbo]

WVU is one of the smallest growing states, with a poorer than average populace and no major markets. The closest thing they have to a decent market is Pittsburgh which is already clearly in the fold with Pitt. The entire state of WVA has a smaller population than metro Cincinnati. Their academics are also worse (if that actually matters.) Plus Cincy helps connect the pieces of the ACC between Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Louisville. Plus there's no close major airport which makes travel crappy and believe it or not, that's a factor.

WVU is still a better football program, which is what the ACC needs. What exactly does Boise have going for it, and yet that football program does well every year. I'd take Pitt vs WVU over Cincy vs L-ville. Besides, everyone knows Ohio is the buckeye state.

 

[Slasher]

WVU is still a better football program, which is what the ACC needs. What exactly does Boise have going for it, and yet that football program does well every year. I'd take Pitt vs WVU over Cincy vs L-ville. Besides, everyone knows Ohio is the buckeye state.

Strange timing calling WVU a better football program when Cincinnati is in the playoff and 152-61 since 2006 including 4 Big East championships and 3 AAC championships. WVU has 3 Big East championships and 0 Big 12 championships during that time with a 131-70 record during that time. They had a great run under RickRod but not much before or after.

 

[Kolumbo]

Strange timing calling WVU a better football program when Cincinnati is in the playoff and 152-61 since 2006 including 4 Big East championships and 3 AAC championships. WVU has 3 Big East championships and 0 Big 12 championships during that time with a 131-70 record during that time. They had a great run under RickRod but not much before or after.

You are equating the AAC with the Big 12 now. Cincinnati must be better than Texas too I suppose. I guess you are right if you exclude the '90s.

And to think the ACC took every program from Miami to BCU before considering the mighty cincy.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[Slasher]

You are equating the AAC with the Big 12 now. Cincinnati must be better than Texas too I suppose. I guess you are right if you exclude the '90s.

And to think the ACC took every program from Miami to BCU before considering the mighty cincy.

I just don't think if you ask 50 people on the street who has a better football program today, that more than a handful of people would say WVU is the better football program. You speak of the 90s, WVU went 65-49 in the 90s. Not exactly world beaters (Cincy was abysmal in the 90s to be fair.)

 

[billybud]

But,,,WVU has 19 National Championships in Rifle...LOL

Of course, if it isn't football or basketball, it doesn't count.

 

[billybud]

For instance...we all know that Clemson football is down some this year having won only 9 games...I'll bet few on the board knew that they won the NC in Men's Soccer.

Few really care or follow other than their team in...soccer, field hockey, volleyball, etc.

Cincinnati is in the CCP Four and everyone knows about Cincinnati...if they were in the Final Four of the CWS, some might know, final four of Women's Volleyball...few would know.