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HuskyHawk

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I don’t think WVU is going anywhere. I don’t think WVU is going to the ACC.

One thing that has changed, however, is the reputation of the ACC.

The facade has crumbled. The academic standards hurdle is no longer a talking point with addition of Louiseville. UNC, Cuse, and Ville are the usual suspects for NCAA violations.

WVU would fit into today’s ACC, not because WVU has elevated, but because the ACC no longer carries the illusion of higher standards and academic excellence.

That said, I don’t think WVU is going anywhere.
I'm not sure that they have fully abandoned those standards in their own eyes. NCAA violations are meaningless in the context of academic attractiveness to undergrads and grad students. The academic reputations of most ACC schools remains very good.

That said, what has changed the most is that the ACC has gone from a distant 4th place in college football, just ahead of the Pac12, to winning 3 of the last 6 championships. They don't need WVU anymore.
 
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BTM has big news. AAC negotiating new contract. Will be implemented in 2020. You heard it here first.
 
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Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
By the way...jim delaney's retirement is proof the B1G isn't targeting OU or Texas. Anybody care to guess why this would be proof?

Daniel Mountcastle‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Shoot

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
You want to guess?

Daniel Mountcastle‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Because he would have had it locked up before he retired?

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
He would want the credit. And with Texas being locked up by ESPN until 2035 we know that's impossible.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush
Delany will be 72 years old and have been it for over 30 years when he retires. His people are in place at FOX and BTN...they will be there long after Delany steps down. Pieces are in place.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
LOL... you guys.... I'm almost sorry I started this... nobody wants to read of us arguing... Let's just say I'm confident that Gee's connections to the B1G are very, very accurate as well as his knowledge of what OU intends.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 31m31 minutes ago
BTM has spoken. Next 2 tweets:

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 29m29 minutes ago
BTM:

“I would agree with those in Chicago who are tabbing Northwestern AD Jim Phillips the favorite to become the new Big Ten Commissioner. He knows all the levers. Phillips will also be available next summer to slide into the seat which is important for a seamless transition”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 27m27 minutes ago
BTM:

“As for the impact of possible Big Ten expansion in near future it won’t hurt that Phillips, currently professor at Kellogg, has a relationship with James Gallogly and most recently added OU BOR member. Oddly, Kellogg might become birthplace of next Big Ten expansion.”
 
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I see where you are going with this...

What they need is a team guaranteed to make Notre Dame want to jump in the pool instead of dangling their toes in.
 
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Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire @snoopdoug44
Greg, didn’t you tell everyone at the time the B1G was looking south at UVA & UNC?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3m3 minutes ago
Everyone knows Chris, Maryland wasn’t the first choice for Big Ten out of the ACC. But they were the ones who were willing to get out after the ACC Exit Fee vote which the Terps did not vote on when it passed in the ACC.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 9s9 seconds ago
Rutgers (New Jersey) & Maryland have increased Big Ten content exposure into eastern media...which is a big deal. It’s something Boren wanted Big 12 to do in last go-around. But ESPN didn’t want any newly elevated P5 programs to hinder the value of ACC schools.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3m3 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @snoopdoug44
It was a move to do many things. Increase recruiting grounds..increase Eastern media exposure...increase Research landscape..to give PSU what they wanted... The Rutgers/Maryland addition has not slow down or crippled the Big Ten in any manner Chris.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @snoopdoug44
You always say Chris no one moves in realignment without it being about money. Of course the big component was about money. And it’s been a success. FOX wanted Eastern content under its portfolio.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 4m4 minutes ago
And before you claim that I didnt tell you UMD was leaving kow that I can whip up the emails to prove it.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 7m7 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire @snoopdoug44
Everyone knows? Greg, that’s BS. The B1G was after markets. They added two of the largest markets in the U.S. & gambled that UMD leaving the ACC would cause others to leave so they could add more large markets. It was not a move to counter the ACC.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 5m5 minutes ago
It was a move to do many things. Increase recruiting grounds..increase Eastern media exposure...increase Research landscape..to give PSU what they wanted... The Rutgers/Maryland addition has not slow down or crippled the Big Ten in any manner Chris.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 7m7 minutes ago
Greg, stop. I was the one who told you UMD was leaving and why. Don’t make it seem like the B1G move was anything but a money grab.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4m4 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @snoopdoug44
You always say Chris no one moves in realignment without it being about money. Of course the big component was about money. And it’s been a success. FOX wanted Eastern content under its portfolio.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 25s25 seconds ago
The claim that the B1G added RU & UMD as a countermove to the ACC is a lie. The B1G had valid monetary reasons at the time to act. But if the model continues to change that to a liability don’t claim it was necessary to keep PSU. It insults our intelligence.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 41m41 minutes ago
Outgoing B1G commissioner Jim Delany had enough data at his disposal to foresee the decline of carriage fees but failed to properly consider the warning signs when he lead the B1G to add two financially troubled programs solely because of their cable markets.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 37m37 minutes ago
The idea that the B1G added UMD & RU because a desperate ACC reached out to Penn State is unequivocally false.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 25m25 minutes ago
B1G trying to cover up its mistake. I’m happy that Rutgers caught a cab out of the Big East. I’m glad for them, but please let’s not try to reframe the landscape at the time to coverup for an error.

CHOP‏ @Ruknighttime 22m22 minutes ago
Whats the error?
Market viwer numbers and revenue for b10 went up 35% after RU joined.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 10m10 minutes ago
Replying to @whoiscockrobin @Ruknighttime
Good for RU. Nobody blames them.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 25m25 minutes ago
The ACC was in panic mode the minute FSU found out the new TV awarded the conf for adding Pitt & Syracuse paid only $14M per year with a lump sum payable at the end that raised the average payout to $17M.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 22m22 minutes ago
In what world did adding two financially troubled programs neck-deep in red ink without much recent success make sense unless you had a conf network ready to cash in on their markets?

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 21m21 minutes ago
Raise your hand if you believe the B1G would have added RU & UMD without bringing the millions of cable subscribers in their markets to BTN....

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 45m45 minutes ago
History will not be kind to Delaney.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 42m42 minutes ago
But history will be very kind to Jim Delany.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 37m37 minutes ago
I don’t think so. Trying to spin the RU/UMD addition by claiming the ACC was hunting PSU is crazy. PSU had a GoR in place & FSU was still exploring exit options.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 34m34 minutes ago
Jim Delany’s 30 year career as Big Ten Commissioner was a success in any measurement. Delany always wanted the Big Ten to become a 2 region conference. Nobody is perfect. But to say history will be unkind to Delany is more about your feelings toward the B1G than anything else.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 20m20 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire
Great men are brought low in the history books by a single mistake.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire @snoopdoug44
By the way.... Penn State increased the B1G’s eastern media exposure. Not RU. RU football is back page coverage & WVU is just as popular in DC (& more so in western MD) than UMD.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 8m8 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @snoopdoug44
New Jersey & Maryland are full of Big Ten Alumni & fans. Big Ten ratings along this region has only grown after including these 2 big research universities. FOX is happy. Big Ten Presidents are happy. Money is great. Delany will be judged just fine by history.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
Brief sabbatical over for now. Work demands leave me not enough time to share. Things have been brewing though. That B12/P12 scheduling alliance? Besides telling you guys that was an option we were looking into long ago..the real news is behind the scenes.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
P12 desperately trying to stay relevant and increase their value. Must appease schools looking elsewhere.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
The way things are going you could see a full-on B12/P12 merger plus or minus 2 schools to create a bonafide coast-to-coast conference. But don’t be shocked to see cherry picking done instead.
 
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Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
By the way...jim delaney's retirement is proof the B1G isn't targeting OU or Texas. Anybody care to guess why this would be proof?

Daniel Mountcastle‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Shoot

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
You want to guess?

Daniel Mountcastle‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Because he would have had it locked up before he retired?

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
He would want the credit. And with Texas being locked up by ESPN until 2035 we know that's impossible.
Delany said a few years back that the decision to expand the Big Ten would likely be up to the next commissioner.
 

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That WVDude guy is ridiculous. I think he is disgruntled that neither the B1G or the ACC wanted WVU. At least they landed in the Big 12. UConn would take that in a heartbeat.
Heck we'd take PAC12. Hmm, maybe we should pony up and buy their equity offering and then invite ourselves!

#hostiletakeover
 
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I had to laugh when i read the Duds comments about Espn overpaying for content, while Fox does not. He's obviously not real familiar with the new Big East basketball contract and their ratings.
 
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So much stupid on Twitter
You should see some of the people who post on college basketball related stuff on facebook, the uconn mens basketball page, ncaa march madness page, etc. Hint: It is pretty bad.
 
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Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
The only way the Pac 12 holds it together is by firing Larry Scott immediately.



Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire @Expansion_Crush
Thanks for that... its fun watching another conf. start to fracture.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire @Expansion_Crush
Greg... honest question here... how much money would USC add to the Big 12? Add USC & Stanford. Checks almost all the boxes the B1G requires. Push revenues in the $65M range I think. Big 12 takes Cal, Col, Arizona State & Arizona. Just thinking out loud.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush
Would Big 12 gain leverage with potential Media partners if USC and Stanford join the Conference as 11 & 12?.....hell yes. Do I see USC & Stanford Presidents, Boosters and Faculty interested as of yet?....no.

PAC Presidents with their AD’s are working it hard to keep unity.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire @Expansion_Crush
My intention was to point out the opportunity P12 issues present to the B1G. If the B1G were looking to expand, and I don’t believe they are, that USC, Stanford & a few others present a better road to profit than expanding with anyone else but UT.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire @Expansion_Crush
I meant B1G. Of course they are working hard to save their conf.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
I don’t think Big Ten has any design on becoming a Conference in 3 different time zones.

Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Nobody does. Thats why the P12 is in trouble. I wasn’t suggesting anything of the like only wondering about the value of all those California cable homes at whatever fee.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
USC would give anyone a boost in overall value. If I was Big 12 it’s the target I would go after...the #1 target. Los Angeles is the #1 City with most Big Ten Alumni outside of current Big Ten Country...but I don’t think Big Ten is interested in trying to monetize the city.

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
B10 has sniffed around the buffs. That game in Lincoln last fall and the return trip this fall has brought back that special feeling for Alums.

Mark Kochenderfer‏ @MarkKochenderfe 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @flugempire @theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush
It will be interesting to see how far that unity extends. I think there is strong unity among the four California schools Or and WU but part of the pac12 problem is duplication of markets.

Mark Kochenderfer‏ @MarkKochenderfe 1h1 hour ago
One of my favorite crazy but sorta plausible realignment scenarios is and en bloc departure of the top schools in the Pac 12 to the big 10. They are all great research schools and AAU. They fit the profile.
 

CL82

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USC & Stanford to the Big 12? Not happening... but if it were:

1. Big 12 gets stabilized so we don't have to worry about losing teams to them.
2. Oklahoma and Texas to the B1G, if that were actually thing, evaporates. UConn is one of the more attractive targets left.

Not happening, but interesting within the world of imaginary conference realignment.
 

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