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Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @pfac51 @frankthetank111 it will be close to the $47- $50 mill per school when all media is said and done. TV (1st/2nd) + BTN

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker @pfac51 @frankthetank111 Really? You think that. Just inflation.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker What was the BTN payout (rights fees + profit sharing) last year? To get near $50M per it has to => $14M.

Flintdawg8208 ‏@Odharris1 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @pfac51 @frankthetank111 you repeatedly said that the Big Ten will be disappointed in their new contract.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@Odharris1 @pfac51 @frankthetank111 No. I said B1G fan boys would be. I said 15-20% increase.

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @Odharris1 @pfac51 @frankthetank111 like that's more than 15-20% increase

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker @Odharris1 @pfac51 @frankthetank111 You guys are funny.

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV you're already looking at around $45- $47 million per year per team.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker How? $36M for Fox & Whoever.... Another 5 for BTN?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker To put it in perspective the SEC has the oldest (& smallest) primary TV deal & disbursed $32M in 2014.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker B1G deal is big. But nowhere near the 45-55m projections some were throwing out.

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV like I said, it will be close to the $50 million mark per team.Mark my words. Write it down. On 4/18/16. Laugh if you want. :)

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@JonBCoker How?

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV just sit back and watch Delaney do what he does best. Negotiate.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker Because I bet Fox gets what amounts to T1 games.

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV ESPN will not lose out on B1G content. They now know what it will take and shareholders will see. They will pay.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker They already have. They are not going to pay top dollar for second choice content.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker The second network isn't going to pay more than Fox. Maybe less if Fox gets 1st choice.

Shawn ‏@McCoyShawn13 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @JonBCoker Fox has the least expensive half

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV ESPN will get the 2nd part and will pay more to get first dibs on the T1 games. I wouldn't be surprised to see $1.6b-$2b

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker Smart move by B1G but it's not the deal you guys think.

Flintdawg8208 ‏@Odharris1 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @JonBCoker tell us the deal JD is working then? It is OK to be wrong. Maybe in five to six years wvu will be in B1G.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker The B1G fan boys who set the bar ridiculously high ($45-55 for primary TV) are going to be upset.

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV they may be. They might not. Every conference has their fanatics. It's what makes this sport great

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker What if that second deal is 1/2 or 2/3 the Fox deal & it costs BTN content?

Jonathan Coker™ ‏@JonBCoker 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV won't happen. This is all about helping their own network (BTN) as well. Delaney knows what he's doing. Now at this point...

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@JonBCoker Because Fox is buying Ohio State, UM, MSU, PSU & Neb. What's the rest worth?

Shawn ‏@McCoyShawn13 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @JonBCoker and Wisconsin



Omega Supreme‏@OmegaSupreme914
Omega Supreme Retweeted Dennis Dodd

@Odharris1 @posas13 @Expansion_Crush @flugempire @theGoldHelmets @MHver3 @Doctor_alesmith @NebGradDubDub

Omega Supreme added,

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs
Why the Big Ten's reported short new TV deal with Fox makes sense Why the Big Ten's reported short new TV deal with Fox makes sense via @CBSSports

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @Odharris1 @posas13 @Expansion_Crush @theGoldHelmets @MHver3 @Doctor_alesmith @NebGradDubDub Dodd is a mess.

H ver3 ‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 dodds confirming B10 was after a longer term deal.
 
I think this means that other conferences will have to respond somehow. It's the only way they can get more money anytime soon. B12 has more options than the ACC.
 
Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal 11h11 hours ago
@OleRog The goal has always been 6 to make 20 team league. Would they settle with 4 and 16 yes if it is not a good deal.

OleRog ‏@OleRog 2h2 hours agoMidland, TX
@Bluevodreal which 6?

Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal 1h1 hour ago
@OleRog sounds like 4 right now FSU. As son as summer and UN GT UVA to follow. Do they stay at 18 or grab 20 with ND in play

Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal 1h1 hour ago
50/50 prediction for expansion now 60/40 and picking up steam.

Erich Keithly ‏@ekeithly_1 1h1 hour ago
@Bluevodreal You were only 50/50?

alex bricker ‏@abrick75 1h1 hour ago
@ekeithly_1 @Bluevodreal when it all started I think he said it was 10/90. Got to 50/50 last wee

Genetics56 ‏@Genetics56 1h1 hour ago
@abrick75 @ekeithly_1 @Bluevodreal FSU, Georgia Tech, UNC, UVA and ND? Bring in Oklahoma for the other team.

alex bricker ‏@abrick75 52m52 minutes ago
@Genetics56 @ekeithly_1 @Bluevodreal would be a nice get football wise but it seems like this will be a market value deal

Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal 47m47 minutes ago
@ekeithly_1 things are looking more positive with FSU and the 3 others it is really picking up steam.

Hanes ‏@ahanes1 54m54 minutes ago
@Bluevodreal why agree to terms on 1/2 of tv rights and then announce a huge expansion a few months later? Seems illogical.

Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal 45m45 minutes ago
@ahanes1 need to see the final language of this first deal. I bet they keep some of it out until it happens. Told summer first could jump.
 
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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 54m54 minutes ago
JUST IN:
From BTM:
Oklahoma will not support any extension of Big 12 Grant of Rights as a precursor to the creation of Big 12 Network.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 51m51 minutes ago
So what does that mean?
I'm not sure...past the obvious. I have dinner with BTM in 3 weeks.
That's too long of a time to wait.

Husky Army ‏@thehuskyarmy · 45m45 minutes ago
@flugempire can someone explain?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@thehuskyarmy I will try to later today...I'm not what this message means in its totality

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@UConn6thBorough @thehuskyarmy @DooleyMcStitch
but logically you would need to extend GOR for B12N creation...and OU is in favor of B12N..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 27m27 minutes ago
@UConn6thBorough @thehuskyarmy @DooleyMcStitch
So yes...Im more than a little confused by BTM subject line only emsil to me..
IDK
 
Assuming that the ACC's GoR had some contingencies on the creation of a network, Oklahoma probably doesn't want to find itself in the same situation.

That is, locking itself into a conference network that may or may not happen. And if it does happen, they probably want to avoid locking themselves into a contract that takes them past the point where they know other conference deals will be expiring.
 
OU wouldn't or shouldn't want any part of a new GOR that would close any loopholes that their lawyers feel can be exploited OR lock them into a conference that is clearly beneath them over the long-term (i.e. they won't make the same mistake FSU made). There is no reason why Texas or Oklahoma should get 1/4 of the revenue that Rutgers or Purdue.
 
Sounds like a negotiating ploy versus Texas. Draw line in the sand, and use it as a concession down the road in order to get Texas et al to tow their line.
 
The Funster said:
Makes sense, shorter length, more cash. Hedging against cord cutters and other changes in the industry?
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Yeah, but deals increase with each renegotiation, so the B1G will have two bump ups before anyone else has their next one. That makes this even more beneficial to them. IMHO.
 
Dooley said:
OU wouldn't or shouldn't want any part of a new GOR that would close any loopholes that their lawyers feel can be exploited OR lock them into a conference that is clearly beneath them over the long-term (i.e. they won't make the same mistake FSU made). There is no reason why Texas or Oklahoma should get 1/4 of the revenue that Rutgers or Purdue.
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That's the mind set, isn't it. Arrogant power programs are going to look to move.

FWIW, if I'm Oklahoma, why would I lock into the Big 12 until I'm 100% sure that I don't have a better conference affiliation waiting for them.
 
CL82 said:
That's the mind set, isn't it. Arrogant power programs are going to look to move.

FWIW, if I'm Oklahoma, why would I lock into the Big 12 until I'm 100% sure that I don't have a better conference affiliation waiting for them.
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We all know now what the real reason is that the B12 coaches/leaders have done a 180 on conference expansion in the past few days. They know OU and Texas are gone. Probably Kansas too. The conference is as good as dead. They are only interested in narrative that affects 2016. And in 2016, the same tired beat applies: "we don't need no stinkin' championship game to get into a Playoff!"
 
Dooley said:
We all know now what the real reason is that the B12 coaches/leaders have done a 180 on conference expansion in the past few days. They know OU and Texas are gone. Probably Kansas too. The conference is as good as dead. They are only interested in narrative that affects 2016. And in 2016, the same tired beat applies: "we don't need no stinkin' championship game to get into a Playoff!"
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So the questions are: Who's moving, which conferences will survive the inevitable consolidation, and does UConn end up in a better position?

I think the B1g will look east first and if it gets the schools it wants from the ACC, then maybe the Big 12 survives intact and has a shot at the ACC leftovers. If that happens then UConn is likely in the ACC remnant conference. I suppose there is some chance that we could get the B1G nod so that their East coast schools are contiguous, but that's looking like an even longer shot now.
 
CL82 said:
So the questions are: Who's moving, which conferences will survive the inevitable consolidation, and does UConn end up in a better position?

I think the B1g will look east first and if it gets the schools it wants from the ACC, then maybe the Big 12 survives intact and has a shot at the ACC leftovers. If that happens then UConn is likely in the ACC remnant conference. I suppose there is some chance that we could get the B1G nod so that their East coast schools are contiguous, but that's looking like an even longer shot now.
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If we can hitch a ride aboard the ACC/B12 leftovers conference, then we will end up 1,000,000,000x better than where we are now. If not, we will be the same amount screwed.
 
I think ultimately this will lead to massive consolidation where the most valuable properties will end up in the B10, SEC, and P12. The question is what will be left of the B12/ACC. I see this as the down of the P4. The most likely B12/ACC schools not to get an invite to the B10, SEC, or P12 are:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Wake Forest
Clemson
Miami
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU

I think UConn would fit in pretty well with that group. That leftover conference is a hell of an upgrade over the one we are currently in.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
I think ultimately this will lead to massive consolidation where the most valuable properties will end up in the B10, SEC, and P12. The question is what will be left of the B12/ACC. I see this as the down of the P4. The most likely B12/ACC schools not to get an invite to the B10, SEC, or P12 are:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Wake Forest
Clemson
Miami
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU

I think UConn would fit in pretty well with that group. That leftover conference is a hell of an upgrade over the one we are currently in.
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You forgot Kansas State and North Carolina State
 
CL82 said:
So the questions are: Who's moving, which conferences will survive the inevitable consolidation, and does UConn end up in a better position?

I think the B1g will look east first and if it gets the schools it wants from the ACC, then maybe the Big 12 survives intact and has a shot at the ACC leftovers. If that happens then UConn is likely in the ACC remnant conference. I suppose there is some chance that we could get the B1G nod so that their East coast schools are contiguous, but that's looking like an even longer shot now.
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Ideally, the XII folds and the ACC does not because the XII offers fewer programs that the B1G is interested - 3 (Kansas, Oklahoma & Texas), which leaves 3 additional slots for the B1G to fill. The ACC likely has 3 solid programs that the B1G is interested in UVA, UNC, and G Tech and 2 likely programs in Duke and FSU. That would get the B1G to 20 without the need to draw from elsewhere, such as UConn. ND of course if a B1G wildcard.

So in my dream, the XII folds. Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas join the B1G. The B1G then pulls in UConn and manages to steal ND and UVA or V Tech from the ACC to get to 20. West Virginia and Cincinnati then backfill into the ACC. The ACC's remaining concern is if the SEC is interested in one or more of their NC and VA schools.
 
scdono said:
You forgot Kansas State and North Carolina State
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I don't think they will be left out between the P12, B10, and SEC. I see NC St. in the SEC along with VTech. I see Kansas St. possibly in the P12, maybe SEC if the SEC decides to scoop up more of the plains states with maybe Ok St. and Texas Tech.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
I don't think they will be left out between the P12, B10, and SEC. I see NC St. in the SEC along with VTech. I see Kansas St. possibly in the P12, maybe SEC if the SEC decides to scoop up more of the plains states with maybe Ok St. and Texas Tech.
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Almost an unlimited number of possibilities.

How many teams, if any, does the Pac-12 add? Only a few serious contenders, all of whom would probably prefer the SEC or B1G. I don't see any ACC teams ending up in the Pac-12.

How many does the B1G add? The B1G would likely be the top choice for all potential 'free agents', even Notre Dame would have to strongly consider the B1G if the ACC and Big 12 collapse.

Just throwing some possibilities out there:

B1G adds 6: North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Kansas. Kansas could easily be replaced by Duke or UConn.
SEC adds 2 (maybe 4): Virginia Tech and NC State (also possible is Oklahoma St and Kansas St)
Pac-12 adds 2 (maybe 4): Texas and Texas Tech (also possible is Oklahoma St and Kansas St)

That leaves:
ACC: BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Wake Forest and Duke
Big 12: Iowa St, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia (and maybe Oklahoma St and Kansas St)

UConn would fit in nicely with that group, if it doesn't end up in the B1G.
 
I think the bottom line is that its up to the B12 now, which kinda means its up to Texas. If Texas plays ball and helps create the B12N, the B12 is likely to survive as one of the remaining power conferences going forward, even if Texas bails eventually. The B10, SEC, P12, and B12 would all have networks which would almost by default make them the P4. I'll be stunned if the B12 can't get its crap together enough to create the network when they make their decisions this summer.
 

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