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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5m5 minutes ago
Big 12 could earn an additional $1 billion by expanding …

Give haircuts to those new members...and you have Texas made "whole"=LHN $

Again...data will be giving out Ace's


Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5m5 minutes ago
As I said earlier tonight....everyone chill on UT AD words.Texas will take hard stand for negotiations within Conference on B12 Reform.
 
I can't express in proper context how many LOL's I want to type in response to the idea the Big 12 is sweating the 'death penalty' for Baylor. I mean seriously... did he really, actually type that? The death penalty hasn't been used in three decades and it's not coming back...ever. The NCAA will never go back down that path. No commissioner or athletic director is seriously concerned about that being an option. Seriously, that post by him would be laughed out of the room by anyone in the know.

He's said many crazy things. That might be his craziest.
 
So... let's reassess some of these tweets in light of Mike Perrin's comments last night.

MH ver and Christopher Lambert both said Texas is onboard with expansion. That does not seem to be true.

MH ver and Christopher Lambert both subsequently said expansion talks have stalled because Texas prefers unrealistic P5 candidates over G5 candidate. That could be true.

MH ver said Texas supports Houston. That does not seem to be true.

MH ver talked about a B12/ACC network. There is no evidence yet to lend any credibility to that.

Greg Flugaur insists Texas is simply playing hardball. That may be true.

I think we can probably take Perrin at his word up to a point because everything he said really is in the best interest of Texas.... on the front end.

I think Texas really does prefer to stay in the Big 12, keep the LHN and play most opponents close to home and in their own timezone.

Threats - even the threat of OU leaving - probably can't influence Texas because with its bigger fanbase and AAU status, Texas could probably join the Sooners (if not take their place) anywhere OU decides to go.

But if there's a way to make even more money, expand its brand, come out looking like the good guy and secure its comfortable Big 12 home by locking OU into an even longer GOR, then Texas will do it.

That's why I'm a Texas fan on a UConn board. The only way Texas expands its brand is through UConn's in-network area. You're the future of the Big 12. Right now we're just making sausage.
 
Charley Horse said:
So... let's reassess some of these tweets in light of Mike Perrin's comments last night.

MH ver and Christopher Lambert both said Texas is onboard with expansion. That does not seem to be true.

MH ver and Christopher Lambert both subsequently said expansion talks have stalled because Texas prefers unrealistic P5 candidates over G5 candidate. That could be true.

MH ver said Texas supports Houston. That does not seem to be true.

MH ver talked about a B12/ACC network. There is no evidence yet to lend any credibility to that.

Greg Flugaur insists Texas is simply playing hardball. That may be true.

I think we can probably take Perrin at his word up to a point because everything he said really is in the best interest of Texas.... on the front end.

I think Texas really does prefer to stay in the Big 12, keep the LHN and play most opponents close to home and in their own timezone.

Threats - even the threat of OU leaving - probably can't influence Texas because with its bigger fanbase and AAU status, Texas could probably join the Sooners (if not take their place) anywhere OU decides to go.

But if there's a way to make even more money, expand its brand, come out looking like the good guy and secure its comfortable Big 12 home by locking OU into an even longer GOR, then Texas will do it.

That's why I'm a Texas fan on a UConn board. The only way Texas expands its brand is through UConn's in-network area. You're the future of the Big 12. Right now we're just making sausage.
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In it is indisputable that Texas will have as many options as OU to join another conference. But can Texas handle that? Can they handle being second fiddle in the B1g while A&M makes a ton of noise in the SEC? I am not so sure. Texas has a lot to lose here.
 
CougarRed said:
Question: What Big 12 expansion candidate has difficult airport access?
Answer: None.

Question: Then why is Flugempire interpreting Perrin's statement to mean difficult airport access?
Answer: [crickets]
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Question: Which "expansion candidate" is located squarely in existing Big 12 territory, and thus adds nothing to the market for a potential Big 12 network?
Answer: Houston.

Question: Then why does CougarRed keep posting here?
Answer: [crickets]
 
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CL82 said:
Question: Which "expansion candidate" is located squarely in existing Big 12 territory, and thus adds nothing to the market for a potential Big 12 network?
Answer: Houston.

Question: Then why does CougarRed keep posting here?
Answer: [crickets]
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Perrin could not have been more clear. We're in Houston. The LHN is on in Houston. Translation: Houston doesn't bring one extra penny to the coffers so as Aerosmith would sing, "Dream on".
 
djct1999 said:
In it is indisputable that Texas will have as many options as OU to join another conference. But can Texas handle that? Can they handle being second fiddle in the B1g while A&M makes a ton of noise in the SEC? I am not so sure. Texas has a lot to lose here.
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It kind of feels to me that A&M has hit its ceiling in the SEC and will return to its historical norm in the coming years. Decent results, rabid fan base that consists solely of alumni.
 
Charley Horse said:
So... let's reassess some of these tweets in light of Mike Perrin's comments last night.

MH ver and Christopher Lambert both said Texas is onboard with expansion. That does not seem to be true.

MH ver and Christopher Lambert both subsequently said expansion talks have stalled because Texas prefers unrealistic P5 candidates over G5 candidate. That could be true.

MH ver said Texas supports Houston. That does not seem to be true.

MH ver talked about a B12/ACC network. There is no evidence yet to lend any credibility to that.

Greg Flugaur insists Texas is simply playing hardball. That may be true.

I think we can probably take Perrin at his word up to a point because everything he said really is in the best interest of Texas.... on the front end.

I think Texas really does prefer to stay in the Big 12, keep the LHN and play most opponents close to home and in their own timezone.

Threats - even the threat of OU leaving - probably can't influence Texas because with its bigger fanbase and AAU status, Texas could probably join the Sooners (if not take their place) anywhere OU decides to go.

But if there's a way to make even more money, expand its brand, come out looking like the good guy and secure its comfortable Big 12 home by locking OU into an even longer GOR, then Texas will do it.

That's why I'm a Texas fan on a UConn board. The only way Texas expands its brand is through UConn's in-network area. You're the future of the Big 12. Right now we're just making sausage.
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For what it is worth, I think Texas is a bit nostalgic. I said years ago that the Big XII really screwed up in letting Colorado walk, and not expanding with Utah and another mountain state/southwestern school (pick Nevada, New Mexico...). WVU was an error. The loss of Missouri and Nebraska pushed the geography of the league further southwest. They could have boxed in the Pac 12, and been in a good position to poach an Arizona school.

Unfortunately, they utterly screwed that up, and have now lost A&M as well. I will say it now...Texas will not get to play in a geographically aligned conference at any time in the foreseeable future. It's over, they blew it, and it's largely their own fault.

The ACC doesn't have this public in-fighting. They have a pretty cohesive geography and several like minded schools. They are watching, can see where the Big 12 screwed up (and they screwed up with Maryland) and I think they will succeed in shoring up the league in some fashion. The odds of those schools defecting to the Big 12 is very low.
 
djct1999 said:
In it is indisputable that Texas will have as many options as OU to join another conference. But can Texas handle that? Can they handle being second fiddle in the B1g while A&M makes a ton of noise in the SEC? I am not so sure. Texas has a lot to lose here.
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Interesting question.

I'm not sure how Texas would handle being second fiddle in another conference, but about Texas' in-state rivalry with A&M, one could argue that Texas is already second fiddle to Texas A&M because Texas is in a second rate conference, A&M's televised games have had more viewers in recent years, and A&M passed Texas in revenue this year.

A&M is doing very well in a lot of areas these days, and good for them. But I get the impression from my fellow Texas fans is that there's really no need to fret about A&M just yet.

Yes, A&M passed Texas in revenues this year, just like Oregon passed Texas one year. Let's see if happens again or was just a blip because of one time donations for their stadium renovations.

[A better barometer might be the fact that the athletic department at Texas donates several million dollars to the University each year while Texas A&M has been having to loan their athletic department tens of millions each year for nearly a decade].

And yes A&M has been enjoying success while Texas has been struggling. But let's see what happens when Texas gets back on its feet.
 
HuskyHawk said:
For what it is worth, I think Texas is a bit nostalgic. I said years ago that the Big XII really screwed up in letting Colorado walk, and not expanding with Utah and another mountain state/southwestern school (pick Nevada, New Mexico...). WVU was an error. The loss of Missouri and Nebraska pushed the geography of the league further southwest. They could have boxed in the Pac 12, and been in a good position to poach an Arizona school.

Unfortunately, they utterly screwed that up, and have now lost A&M as well. I will say it now...Texas will not get to play in a geographically aligned conference at any time in the foreseeable future. It's over, they blew it, and it's largely their own fault.

The ACC doesn't have this public in-fighting. They have a pretty cohesive geography and several like minded schools. They are watching, can see where the Big 12 screwed up (and they screwed up with Maryland) and I think they will succeed in shoring up the league in some fashion. The odds of those schools defecting to the Big 12 is very low.
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Texas screwed up in 2010 when they took the LHN bribe to stay in the Big 12.

They could be in a Pac-16 East division right now with OU, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

That would've been a pretty cool division.
 
Schools are looking at this in the shorter term. Hence, the LHN.

When I look at college sports, I think it would be a case of administrative malpractice to do anything other than take the best short-term deals.

Texas, in other words, is doing what it should.
 
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Charley Horse said:
Texas screwed up in 2010 when they took the LHN bribe to stay in the Big 12.

They could be in a Pac-16 East division right now with OU, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

That would've been a pretty cool division.
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Maybe, until people in Austin had to stay up to 1:00 AM to see games. Playing Pacific time zone schools on a regular basis blows for any fan base east of the Rockies. It doesn't affect football most of the time, but is awful for the other sports.
 
Charley Horse said:
Texas screwed up in 2010 when they took the LHN bribe to stay in the Big 12.

They could be in a Pac-16 East division right now with OU, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

That would've been a pretty cool division.
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... and the Big East would have picked up the best of the rest of the Big 12, quite possibly stabilizing the conference.

Thanks a lot for coming to that realization now, you bastards.

:(
 
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CTMike said:
I think the compromise will be 2 now and 2 later.
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The two football only schools is an idea, but if you do it why not do it as part of an expansion to 14? Go BYU and CSU football only in the west and UConn/Cincy in the east as all members. Eliminates going fully into a third timezone, but adds solid football programs that will help conference stay competitive on gridiron. UConn and Cincy give West Virginia eastern partners and add good markets and year round content for a network.
 
Exit 4 said:
Interesting idea - fraught with execution challenges....as in, making a deal with the BE & B12 while exiting the AAC will be a tricky discussion and hard to keep under wraps.
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Getting the Big East to agree to take us in basketball would require a 30-second phone call from Herbst.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Getting the Big East to agree to take us in basketball would require a 30-second phone call from Herbst.
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This idea that the Big East wouldn't take back its most valuable member because of some irrelevant nonsense like the fact that we're not a catholic school is one of the weirder ideas I've heard posited during all of this nonsense. They want to make money, and we're easily the most valuable basketball property on the board, right inside the Big East's footprint, and we have a ton of history with most of the teams in the league.
 
One risk with the football only approach....that in the next CRA churn - say 2025 or thereafter, I would feel vulnerable to be ditch all over again....just like the runaway from the BE.....but probably can't worry about that if this is the option provided.
 
huskymedic said:
blauds 11:37am via Mobile Web (M2)
Cmpromise idea for Big 12 expansion--add BYU and one other school for football only.
A compromise for Big 12 expansion
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OMFG. Dog track time for Blauds. Seriously. The XII will go to New England, take UConn for football and protect itself by not taking UConn basketball. I don't know if you could have a more stupid idea than that.

FWIW, UConn says yes to that in a heartbeat. Who knows if the Big East lets us in (presumably Fox pressures it to), but even if not, football in the Big XII and everything else in the A-Ten would be a deal we'd take in a heartbeat. Take UConn out of the picture and the A-Ten is slightly better than the AAC in hoops, but if they're only even it's at least a geographic fit with opponents we can give a damn about.
 
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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
We will get flamed for tweeting this..but..
BTM: OU contacts this morning still optimistic B12 will make decision to expand by end of Summer

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
BTM:OU contacts have told us Oklahoma University will espouse their expansion position today, Thursday, June 2nd.
Before Friday data dump.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@frankthetank111
If 2 new members(or 4)take 4-5 year haircuts on tier 1/2 TV deals (23 mil each school) then UT can be made whole on B12N

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@frankthetank111
....At least until 2024
B12N Subscription model does not alone have to create approx 120 mil of distribution to schools

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@frankthetank111
However, B12N model would need to be able to sustain itself in years after "haircut years" have been completed.
 
Exit 4 said:
One risk with the football only approach....that in the next CRA churn - say 2025 or thereafter, I would feel vulnerable to be ditch all over again....just like the runaway from the BE.....but probably can't worry about that if this is the option provided.
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Sorry, but that's a misuse of the word risk. Does XII for football and everything else in the Big East or A-Ten leave us more vulnerable than being in a P-5 league fully? Yes. But it leaves us light years less vulnerable than we are today.
 
Exit 4 said:
One risk with the football only approach....that in the next CRA churn - say 2025 or thereafter, I would feel vulnerable to be ditch all over again....just like the runaway from the BE.....but probably can't worry about that if this is the option provided.
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I agree this would be a risk, but it would be less of one than remaining in the AAC long term. That said, I think the proposition is stupid as BL pointed out and won't happen. No reason for the B12 to come all the way east to take us and leave our two most valuable sports on the table.
 
jostar1 said:
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
We will get flamed for tweeting this..but..
BTM: OU contacts this morning still optimistic B12 will make decision to expand by end of Summer

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
BTM:OU contacts have told us Oklahoma University will espouse their expansion position today, Thursday, June 2nd.
Before Friday data dump.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@frankthetank111
If 2 new members(or 4)take 4-5 year haircuts on tier 1/2 TV deals (23 mil each school) then UT can be made whole on B12N

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@frankthetank111
....At least until 2024
B12N Subscription model does not alone have to create approx 120 mil of distribution to schools

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@frankthetank111
However, B12N model would need to be able to sustain itself in years after "haircut years" have been completed.
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Wait, I thought math, statistics and logical reasoning weren't allowed in B12 internal expansion discussions, only bickering, d*ck swinging, and tweets from WV fans. What gives?
 
ME: I think it's dawning on MH ver that the Big 12 isn't long for the world.[/QUOTE]

All scenarios lead to a soft comfy chair for WVU to land in, so no worries on his end.
 
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