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pj said:
Miami, Va Tech, and ND were good adds but BC, L'ville, Pitt, Syracuse? Either mistakes (BC) or self-sacrifice to help ESPN (Pitt, Cuse) or another mistake to appease Florida State (Louisville). The ACC got extra money out of ESPN for helping it kill the Big East, but the money is temporary and the albatross schools are permanent.
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The goal of killing the Big East was to kill the Big East.
 
pj said:
Miami, Va Tech, and ND were good adds but BC, L'ville, Pitt, Syracuse? Either mistakes (BC) or self-sacrifice to help ESPN (Pitt, Cuse) or another mistake to appease Florida State (Louisville). The ACC got extra money out of ESPN for helping it kill the Big East, but the money is temporary and the albatross schools are permanent.
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That's the deal. They were chosen to kill the Big East not fit in or thrive in the ACC. They achieved their purpose but now the ACC is paying the tab.
 
pj said:
If that's all the ACC got out of it, it was a Pyrrhic victory. It just replaced its northeast competitor with the B1G. It got a few northern privates but lost Maryland.
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But they remained P5 and are drawing down much more TV money than the bulk of Old Big East.
 
Yawkey Way said:
BC had West Virginia as a many decades long " peer institution " when both schools were in the BE. Besides, you wouldn't complain if Uconn had to have West Virginia as a " peer institution " if that was the price to get out of the AAC and into the B12, am I correct in this ? Besides, NONE of these current league alignments make any like -kind" peer institution " sense at all. Not a one.
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B1G does, actually. So there's one.
 
Yawkey Way said:
BC had West Virginia as a many decades long " peer institution " when both schools were in the BE. Besides, you wouldn't complain if Uconn had to have West Virginia as a " peer institution " if that was the price to get out of the AAC and into the B12, am I correct in this ? Besides, NONE of these current league alignments make any like -kind" peer institution " sense at all. Not a one.
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I still remember Leahy claiming the move was about academics. And the ACC running a promo bragging about the majority of schools being in the top 40 of the USNWR. Your conference was looking down from its ivory tower, and tossed it aside for a win at all costs academic backwater.
 
The ironic part being the last thing the world needs is a Big 12 network.

The answer to the question - what if the Pac 12 network was 10-15% worse than it already is.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Trusted source texts me he believes Big 12 gets a network done & expands.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
He says a network isn't going to be as easy as changing titles but Texas is committed to the Big 12.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Complex negotiations ahead with Texas, Fox, ESPN & T3 outlets.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Says expansion completely on hold until network issues are resolved & a network may be at least a year away.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Everything on the table including using B12 reserves to pay off LHN revenues at a discounted rate.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Example is 80 cents on the dollar or some equally creative avenue.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@NebGradDubDub @kbohls On how long Boren can keep silent. I say a month.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
Boren's ability to keep quiet will show how committed OU is to the Big 12 - to some extent.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
He's not happy about the timeline but he's content the process has begun.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
I'm also interested to see how long it takes the proposed B12N to get off the ground compared to ACCN.
 
So summer of 2016 plans for the B12 - add two schools and come to an agreement on a B12N. Then sit back and see what happens to the ACC. Maybe they really can peel off a couple schools down the line (to go to 14), which would be better than pulling in two more G5 schools. But, if not, add a florida school and maybe BYU, Memphis or Houston (Houston should go to the ACC when it melts down). If its about cable boxes (and it is), then I think the B12 could end up looking at Navy or Temple to grab the MD/DC or PA/South NJ markets. I know, crazy, but we were in the same position last time around - off the radar of most.

I feel pretty good this is the path ahead. The wild cards are the B1G (do they move to take us) and tv negotiations for the B12n.
 
Ldandy said:
Nice logical post. While I agree that certain ACC Properties are more coveted by both The B1G and SEC, I can't see ESPN allowing a property that they own in full to be raided by other interests. Its a lot easier to work a side deal with Texas(like they've already done) and allow the lower valued properties of the Big 12 be scattered to the four winds. The Big 12 is unique in that is push came to shove, homes could potentially be found for all members.

Hypothetical Realignment(Fan Fiction)

B1G- KU & UConn- Add 2 basketball blue bloods, 2 good TV Markets, and 2 good academic institutions.
East- UM, OSU, PSU, MSU, IU, RU, UMD, UCONN
West- UNL, WI, Iowa, IL, NW, MN, PU, KU

PAC- KSU, TT, ISU, OSU- Gets The PAC into another time zone for broadcasting purposes, adds an AAU School with a good fan base, and 3 solid football schools to get to 16.
Coastal- USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, OU, OSU, WSU, UW
Central- AU, ASU, CU, UT, OSU, KSU, ISU, TT

Winners of each can play every year in either the Rose or Fiesta Bowl.


SEC- TCU & OU- Gets The SEC into Dallas/Fort Worth Area in a major way to pair with TAMU/LSU in the Houston Area.
East- USCe, UGA, UF, UT, Vandy, UK, Bama, AU
West- Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, Ark, MU, A&M, OU, TCU


ACC- Texas Independent with a partial ND Deal, WVU, Baylor. The only stumbling block would be scheduling 17 for basketball. Football is improved with existing schools getting games against regional rival WVU and growing power Baylor. Conference members now have 5-6 ND games and 5-6 Texas games to divide up each year.

North- BC, SU, Pitt, WVU, VPI, UVA, Lville, Miami
South- UNC, Duke, NCSU, WF, Clemson, GT, FSU, BU

Winners of each can play every year in either the Orange or Sugar Bowl.

The National Championship can rotate among cities around the country in a bidding process like The Superbowl.

None of this will ever happen. but its is at least as plausible as anything The WV Twitterati has come up with.
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This would be the revenge of UConn in a very big way.
 
If Boren stays quiet the next couple months that is good indicator the B12 is serious about expansion. There is no need to run your mouth when you are getting what you want in the future....

Kind of like fight club..."the first rule of conference expansion is there is no conference expansion." The fact no one in the Big12 will even admit they discussed conference expansion speaks for itself.

When expansion happens UConn is positioned well....now it is just a waiting game
 
I hope The Big 12 happens for you guys, but I can't understand how people can hit the like button on any posts referencing Tweets made by The Dood or MH3. Both of these clowns have been proven to be almost entirely full of * regarding everything conference realignment related from the get go. I'm still waiting for UVA's Announcement on B1G Membership. The paperwork was signed and sent in... Sorry for the rant, but please don't anyone get their hopes up over anything these two twit wits post.
 
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junglehusky said:
The goal of killing the Big East was to kill the Big East.
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The Big East football league killed itself, imo. The BE league was essentially run by basketball centric people, in a world where football was increasingly seen nationally as the driver of revenues for the schools. The BE has only itself to blame for its loss of its football.
 
Yawkey Way said:
The Big East football league killed itself, imo. The BE league was essentially run by basketball centric people, in a world where football was increasingly seen nationally as the driver of revenues for the schools. The BE has only itself to blame for its loss of its football.
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I agree - to a point. All the decisions were made for basketball and the first bad one was not letting Penn State in. The way BC, Miami and ultimately VT left also helped kill the league.
 
Initially I thought the ACC just wanted the Big East marque football teams (Miami, VT, BC.) That actually made sense minus BC. Miami and VT were not BE schools. The BE was a screwed up league and the "football first" programs were never going to be happy. There was going to need to be a football/basketball separation for the schools that played both in the BE and the south of the mason-dixon line football schools were better fits in the ACC

But, by the end, it was readily apparent the ACC truly wanted to destroy the BE. Syracuse and Pitt were marginal adds at best and their addition did more to kill the BE than help the ACC. Instead of trying to assume the BE's position in the NE the ACC elected to try exclude several geographically important programs like Rutgers, WVU, and UConn. It was almost as if the ACC bought enough of the BE Teams to put the conference out of business and then abandoned the region.

The irony is the ACC won the war but the cost of winning may be the ACC becomes the new BE. Not one core BE program the ACC acquired has flourished. Syracuse, Pitt and BC have decreased in athletic performance and conference value. When the ACC destroyed the natural rivalries in the NE, the fans lost interest. BC may have asked to be "NE's team" and left on an island but their program has suffered. WVU/Pitt was one of the greatest, most hated rivalries in the sport. Now what do Pitt fans get excited for? While the old BE schools have declined in value, the ACC is burdened with those teams drawing a full conference share.

It is very foreseeable ACC programs with options will eventually leave for more money in the BIG/SEC. That will not be enough to kill the ACC but it won't have some of its marque names. What will be left in the ACC is a lot of the old BE teams and non-flagship universities. I suppose that is the circle of life...
 

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