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[NYUConn]

The BIG 10 was always a better football conference than the ACC. The ACC was primarily a Basketball Conference when Swofford took over, and competing in the same waters as the Big East in football and Basketball. If we look at the ACC when Swofford took over, and his rivalry the Big East, Swofford was able to clearly win that battle by proactvely acting to transform the ACC from primarily a Basketball League to a balanced league between football and Basketball..... AND.... put his main rival league, the BE into a competitive tailspin, resulting in a spin off by that league of its football programs, and making the BE a collection of Basketball schools. Swofford negotiated a solid, if unspectacular, TV contract for the league, and kept FSU, Clemson from bolting, and made BE Commish Tranghese to look like a fool with his no vision, and utter incompetence. It is now the B12 that is a league with vitriol and divisiveness among its members. Commish Delaney of the BIG dealt reasonably well with the strong hand he was dealt, but the addition of Rutgers and Maryland ( while losing Notre Dame to the ACC in all sports for football) does not compare all that well with the tenure moves of Swofford during the same tenure periods in my opinion. The additions by Swofford of Miami, Virginia Tech, BC, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, ND (for all but football ) solidified the league as a P5 conference, and made the league far more than just the southern tobccco road basketball oriented league the ACC was prior to Swofford's tenure and work.

This is like saying that the inventor of the VHS is still an industry leader in home entertainment because he was able to drive betamax out of business.

 

[Yawkey Way]

Enjoy knowing that Louisville is your peer institution.

BC had West Virginia as a many decades long " peer institution " when both schools were in the BE. Besides, you wouldn't complain if Uconn had to have West Virginia as a " peer institution " if that was the price to get out of the AAC and into the B12, am I correct in this ? Besides, NONE of these current league alignments make any like -kind" peer institution " sense at all. Not a one.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 36m36 minutes ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted John E. Hoover
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In other words...no consensus...Texas Faction holding out.


Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 35m35 minutes ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted John E. Hoover
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Everything on hold until B10 signs I'm new B1G Tier 1 TV/Media deal.
"Moving Parts"...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 34m34 minutes ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted John E. Hoover
https://mobile.twitter.com/johnehoover/status/695703866944286720 …

Soft language...
Reality?
Big 12 Civil War.

g Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 26m26 minutes ago
Do you guys think Boren is happy today?
Do you think he will be happy in May-June?
If you think yes...get off the
More later.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 20m20 minutes ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted Kirk Bohls
https://mobile.twitter.com/kbohls/status/695707648134508544 …

So Boren has to be quiet...but other Presidents can spin stability.
You see.....?
Big 12 Civil War

 

[jostar1]

GREG S W AIM SHOW ‏@GSw aim · 20m20 minutes ago
#Big12 waiting four more months to consider expanding, having a CCG and a TV network. #BYU #UCBearcats #UConn #UCF #USF #BSU

GREG S WAI M SHOW ‏@GSwa im · 19m19 minutes ago
Realistically #Big12 can't do much with without first expanding, and makes themselves vulnerable to lose #Sooners if they don't.

GREG SW AI M SHOW ‏@GSw aim · 15m15 minutes ago
The obvious thing everyone got from the press conference is #Sooners Boren now has a gag order from the #Big12 and Bowlsby.

GREG S WA M SHOW ‏@GS wai m · 12m12 minutes ago
He, nor any other President or AD, can talk to the media. Bowlsby didn't like Boren talking about #UT and #LHN.

GREG SW AI M SHOW ‏@GSw ai m · 10m10 minutes ago
Call it a good feeling, but got a strong vibe that expansion will be a strong likelihood. None of us like how long it's taking though

Chuck Carlton Verified account 
‏@ChuckCarltonDMN Over/under on how long Oklahoma president David Boren keeps those family disputes behind closed doors?

GREG SW AI M SHOW ‏@GS wa im · 6m6 minutes ago
If anything, this gag order pushes #Sooners to another conference.

GREG SW AI M SHOW ‏@GS wa im · 4m4 minutes ago
#Big12 didn't expand last time until schools bailed. They may have to do it again, as I can just see the smoke pouring from Boren's ears.

 

[pj]

The BIG 10 was always a better football conference than the ACC. The ACC was primarily a Basketball Conference before Swofford took over as Commish, and competing in the same waters as the Big East in football and Basketball. If we look at the ACC when Swofford took over, with his chief rival at the time ,the Big East, Swofford was able to clearly win that battle by proactvely acting to transform the ACC from primarily a Basketball League to a balanced league between football and Basketball..... AND.... put his main rival league, the BE into a competitive tailspin, resulting in a spin off by that league of its football programs, and making the BE a collection of Basketball schools. Swofford negotiated a solid, if unspectacular, TV contract for the league, and kept FSU, Clemson from bolting, and made BE Commish Tranghese to look like a fool with his no vision, and utter incompetence. It is now the B12 that is a league with vitriol and divisiveness among its members. Commish Delaney of the BIG dealt reasonably well with the strong hand he was dealt, but the addition of Rutgers and Maryland ( while losing Notre Dame to the ACC in all sports for football) does not compare all that well with the tenure moves of Swofford during the same tenure periods in my opinion. The additions by Swofford of Miami, Virginia Tech, BC, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, ND (for all but football ) solidified the league as a P5 conference, and made the league far more than just the southern tobccco road basketball oriented league the ACC was prior to Swofford's tenure and work. If you consider the entire body of work of Swofford as Commissioner during the league realignments and expansions to be one of " incompetence " compared to others, then we'll just have to respectfully disagree on this.

Miami, Va Tech, and ND were good adds but BC, L'ville, Pitt, Syracuse? Either mistakes (BC) or self-sacrifice to help ESPN (Pitt, Cuse) or another mistake to appease Florida State (Louisville). The ACC got extra money out of ESPN for helping it kill the Big East, but the money is temporary and the albatross schools are permanent.

 

[junglehusky]

Miami, Va Tech, and ND were good adds but BC, L'ville, Pitt, Syracuse? Either mistakes (BC) or self-sacrifice to help ESPN (Pitt, Cuse) or another mistake to appease Florida State (Louisville). The ACC got extra money out of ESPN for helping it kill the Big East, but the money is temporary and the albatross schools are permanent.

The goal of killing the Big East was to kill the Big East.

 

[CL82]

Miami, Va Tech, and ND were good adds but BC, L'ville, Pitt, Syracuse? Either mistakes (BC) or self-sacrifice to help ESPN (Pitt, Cuse) or another mistake to appease Florida State (Louisville). The ACC got extra money out of ESPN for helping it kill the Big East, but the money is temporary and the albatross schools are permanent.

That's the deal. They were chosen to kill the Big East not fit in or thrive in the ACC. They achieved their purpose but now the ACC is paying the tab.

 

[pj]

The goal of killing the Big East was to kill the Big East.

If that's all the ACC got out of it, it was a Pyrrhic victory. It just replaced its northeast competitor with the B1G. It got a few northern privates but lost Maryland.

 

[CL82]

If that's all the ACC got out of it, it was a Pyrrhic victory. It just replaced its northeast competitor with the B1G. It got a few northern privates but lost Maryland.

But they remained P5 and are drawing down much more TV money than the bulk of Old Big East.

 

[MattMang23]

BC had West Virginia as a many decades long " peer institution " when both schools were in the BE. Besides, you wouldn't complain if Uconn had to have West Virginia as a " peer institution " if that was the price to get out of the AAC and into the B12, am I correct in this ? Besides, NONE of these current league alignments make any like -kind" peer institution " sense at all. Not a one.

B1G does, actually. So there's one.

 

[Ha Who]

 

[TRest]

BC had West Virginia as a many decades long " peer institution " when both schools were in the BE. Besides, you wouldn't complain if Uconn had to have West Virginia as a " peer institution " if that was the price to get out of the AAC and into the B12, am I correct in this ? Besides, NONE of these current league alignments make any like -kind" peer institution " sense at all. Not a one.

I still remember Leahy claiming the move was about academics. And the ACC running a promo bragging about the majority of schools being in the top 40 of the USNWR. Your conference was looking down from its ivory tower, and tossed it aside for a win at all costs academic backwater.

 

[whaler11]

The ironic part being the last thing the world needs is a Big 12 network.

The answer to the question - what if the Pac 12 network was 10-15% worse than it already is.

 

[Adios]

Data = what Big 12 writers says in public?

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Trusted source texts me he believes Big 12 gets a network done & expands.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
He says a network isn't going to be as easy as changing titles but Texas is committed to the Big 12.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Complex negotiations ahead with Texas, Fox, ESPN & T3 outlets.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Says expansion completely on hold until network issues are resolved & a network may be at least a year away.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Everything on the table including using B12 reserves to pay off LHN revenues at a discounted rate.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Example is 80 cents on the dollar or some equally creative avenue.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@NebGradDubDub @kbohls On how long Boren can keep silent. I say a month.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
Boren's ability to keep quiet will show how committed OU is to the Big 12 - to some extent.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
He's not happy about the timeline but he's content the process has begun.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
I'm also interested to see how long it takes the proposed B12N to get off the ground compared to ACCN.

 

[MattMang23]

Kent State and Army?

 

[pj]

Kent State and Army?

Stony Brook is the sleeping giant of realignment.

 

[Exit 4]

So summer of 2016 plans for the B12 - add two schools and come to an agreement on a B12N. Then sit back and see what happens to the ACC. Maybe they really can peel off a couple schools down the line (to go to 14), which would be better than pulling in two more G5 schools. But, if not, add a florida school and maybe BYU, Memphis or Houston (Houston should go to the ACC when it melts down). If its about cable boxes (and it is), then I think the B12 could end up looking at Navy or Temple to grab the MD/DC or PA/South NJ markets. I know, crazy, but we were in the same position last time around - off the radar of most.

I feel pretty good this is the path ahead. The wild cards are the B1G (do they move to take us) and tv negotiations for the B12n.

 

[upstater]

Nice logical post. While I agree that certain ACC Properties are more coveted by both The B1G and SEC, I can't see ESPN allowing a property that they own in full to be raided by other interests. Its a lot easier to work a side deal with Texas(like they've already done) and allow the lower valued properties of the Big 12 be scattered to the four winds. The Big 12 is unique in that is push came to shove, homes could potentially be found for all members.

Hypothetical Realignment(Fan Fiction)

B1G- KU & UConn- Add 2 basketball blue bloods, 2 good TV Markets, and 2 good academic institutions.
East- UM, OSU, PSU, MSU, IU, RU, UMD, UCONN
West- UNL, WI, Iowa, IL, NW, MN, PU, KU

PAC- KSU, TT, ISU, OSU- Gets The PAC into another time zone for broadcasting purposes, adds an AAU School with a good fan base, and 3 solid football schools to get to 16.
Coastal- USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, OU, OSU, WSU, UW
Central- AU, ASU, CU, UT, OSU, KSU, ISU, TT

Winners of each can play every year in either the Rose or Fiesta Bowl.


SEC- TCU & OU- Gets The SEC into Dallas/Fort Worth Area in a major way to pair with TAMU/LSU in the Houston Area.
East- USCe, UGA, UF, UT, Vandy, UK, Bama, AU
West- Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, Ark, MU, A&M, OU, TCU


ACC- Texas Independent with a partial ND Deal, WVU, Baylor. The only stumbling block would be scheduling 17 for basketball. Football is improved with existing schools getting games against regional rival WVU and growing power Baylor. Conference members now have 5-6 ND games and 5-6 Texas games to divide up each year.

North- BC, SU, Pitt, WVU, VPI, UVA, Lville, Miami
South- UNC, Duke, NCSU, WF, Clemson, GT, FSU, BU

Winners of each can play every year in either the Orange or Sugar Bowl.

The National Championship can rotate among cities around the country in a bidding process like The Superbowl.

None of this will ever happen. but its is at least as plausible as anything The WV Twitterati has come up with.

This would be the revenge of UConn in a very big way.

 

[dwalks93]

If Boren stays quiet the next couple months that is good indicator the B12 is serious about expansion. There is no need to run your mouth when you are getting what you want in the future....

Kind of like fight club..."the first rule of conference expansion is there is no conference expansion." The fact no one in the Big12 will even admit they discussed conference expansion speaks for itself.

When expansion happens UConn is positioned well....now it is just a waiting game

 

[MattMang23]

Stony Brook is the sleeping giant of realignment.

Maybe they're referring to Hofstra. After all, their AD is the same guy who got us into a new conference- the AAC.

 

[SixRings]

When expansion happens UConn is positioned well....now it is just a waiting game

Not for Suzy & Co. They need to be on this every damn minute. Can't let someone sneak in and spin it their way like last time. Time to Dooley-up Suzy.

 

[Ldandy]

I hope The Big 12 happens for you guys, but I can't understand how people can hit the like button on any posts referencing Tweets made by The Dood or MH3. Both of these clowns have been proven to be almost entirely full of * regarding everything conference realignment related from the get go. I'm still waiting for UVA's Announcement on B1G Membership. The paperwork was signed and sent in... Sorry for the rant, but please don't anyone get their hopes up over anything these two twit wits post.

 

[Yawkey Way]

The goal of killing the Big East was to kill the Big East.

The Big East football league killed itself, imo. The BE league was essentially run by basketball centric people, in a world where football was increasingly seen nationally as the driver of revenues for the schools. The BE has only itself to blame for its loss of its football.

 

[hardcorehusky]

The Big East football league killed itself, imo. The BE league was essentially run by basketball centric people, in a world where football was increasingly seen nationally as the driver of revenues for the schools. The BE has only itself to blame for its loss of its football.

I agree - to a point. All the decisions were made for basketball and the first bad one was not letting Penn State in. The way BC, Miami and ultimately VT left also helped kill the league.