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nelsonmuntz said:
Only you speak for Notre Dame.

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No, I don't. I only speak for me.

But, he doesn't know anything more than you, I or anyone else.
 
Wait a second. Our BCU friend says they have an advantage in athletic success, facilities and fanbase?

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Edit: just did a quick search. For their better record of "athletic success," BCU has a grand total of 5 national titles, all of them in men's hockey. A sport in which, what, 40 teams compete? Bravo. We have 21 national titles for those curious.
 
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MattMang23 said:
Wait a second. Our BCU friend says they have an advantage in athletic success, facilities and fanbase?

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The ONLY facility they have on us right now is ice hockey and that will disappear when Freitas is renovated!
 
FDNY99 said:
The ONLY facility they have on us right now is ice hockey and that will disappear when Freitas is renovated!
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You mean their indoor football practice facil... Whoops. Sorry, I meant their basketball practice facil...

Oh that's right, Florida State just financed that for them.
 
MattMang23 said:
You mean their indoor football practice facil... Whoops. Sorry, I meant their basketball practice facil...

Oh that's right, Florida State just financed that for them.
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Exactly......By the time they get their football facility done...UConn will have renovated Burton/Schenkman. They have become the Seton Hall, DePaul of the ACC. Sucking the life blood from the schools that actually earn the ACC the $$.
 
Tusky said:
This is pure homerism.

Your BIG Metrics that BC "loses" to UConn on:
- State Flagship: no evidence this is a metric. Again, Northwestern, MSU, Purdue and ND in this example. Theoretical advantage to UConn.
- Market Size: UConn barely adds anything to NYC when compared to what BIG already has with Rutgers, UM, OSU, Penn State (and theoretically ND). UConn adds an extra 2% compared to what BIG already has in NYC. It's redundant. UConn only really "adds" CT. BC definitely adds Boston, likely adds all of Massachusetts, and possibly adds NH, VT, ME and RI to automatic BTN carriage. Clear advantage to BC.
- Geographic Presence: 100% wrong. If the BIG adds UConn they would be adding 1 of the 2 New England P5 teams. That's a split of New England. If the BIG adds BC -- and UConn gets passed over by the ACC, which is very possible -- the BIG adds ALL OF NEW ENGLAND. They would be the only major college football team in New England. Clear advantage to BC.
- Athletic Success: BC wins football and hockey. UConn wins basketball. The other sports are a wash. Advantage to BC.
- Facilities: BC just pledged $200 million to facilities. If this really became a debate you'd see BC pump out renderings and make unequivocal BC's committment to athletics at the highest level. Also, BC with facilities on campus...in the city of Boston, where all of the other BIG schools have large alumni networks that would love to go to games more often. Advantage BC.
- Fanbase: I don't know what you're basing this on. In football BC (outside of really rare and random 2-win seasons) draws more fans to football games, draws better TV ratings, and commands more national attention. You have basketball. I guess you can hope they care about basketball fanbase. Advantage BC.

BC is not "a nice undergraduate college in a major city." Boston College is an elite university and a nationwide brand name.

As for Notre Dame, conference politics is a very real consideration. It's not unreasonable that if an independent minded and proud university like Notre Dame was to join the BIG they wouldn't want to be the odd-ball small, private, Catholic school that gets bullied on conference issues. It's not unreasonable that they would insist on a like-minded partner institution to increase their clout in their new home.

Just my $0.02.
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Lol, So BC has yet have any kind of presence in New England in the marquis sports, but it will, magically apparently, if it goes to the B1G? Um, sure. I guess that explains your attendance. It mean if you are New England's program, surely your basketball games and football games must be selling out, right?

The whole flagship/land grant thing has been repeated so often by conference and university presidents that it is kind of silly to say, "well that doesn't really matter." But I get that you are just trolling.

Hey BC looked after it's own interests, underhandedly, but what the heck it got you in the P5. Enjoy that. But you've stopped being relevant. So if the ACC folds or is dramatically weakened by defections, either of which is a possibility if the Big 12 gets a conference network, realize that you had a nice run while it lasted. By any reasonable standard, you aren't an attractive conference addition. It is what it is.
 
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Tusky said:
This is pure homerism.

Your BIG Metrics that BC "loses" to UConn on:
- State Flagship: no evidence this is a metric. Again, Northwestern, MSU, Purdue and ND in this example. Theoretical advantage to UConn.
- Market Size: UConn barely adds anything to NYC when compared to what BIG already has with Rutgers, UM, OSU, Penn State (and theoretically ND). UConn adds an extra 2% compared to what BIG already has in NYC. It's redundant. UConn only really "adds" CT. BC definitely adds Boston, likely adds all of Massachusetts, and possibly adds NH, VT, ME and RI to automatic BTN carriage. Clear advantage to BC.
- Geographic Presence: 100% wrong. If the BIG adds UConn they would be adding 1 of the 2 New England P5 teams. That's a split of New England. If the BIG adds BC -- and UConn gets passed over by the ACC, which is very possible -- the BIG adds ALL OF NEW ENGLAND. They would be the only major college football team in New England. Clear advantage to BC.
- Athletic Success: BC wins football and hockey. UConn wins basketball. The other sports are a wash. Advantage to BC.
- Facilities: BC just pledged $200 million to facilities. If this really became a debate you'd see BC pump out renderings and make unequivocal BC's committment to athletics at the highest level. Also, BC with facilities on campus...in the city of Boston, where all of the other BIG schools have large alumni networks that would love to go to games more often. Advantage BC.
- Fanbase: I don't know what you're basing this on. In football BC (outside of really rare and random 2-win seasons) draws more fans to football games, draws better TV ratings, and commands more national attention. You have basketball. I guess you can hope they care about basketball fanbase. Advantage BC.

BC is not "a nice undergraduate college in a major city." Boston College is an elite university and a nationwide brand name.

As for Notre Dame, conference politics is a very real consideration. It's not unreasonable that if an independent minded and proud university like Notre Dame was to join the BIG they wouldn't want to be the odd-ball small, private, Catholic school that gets bullied on conference issues. It's not unreasonable that they would insist on a like-minded partner institution to increase their clout in their new home.

Just my $0.02.
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My $0.02...The B1G would add Buffalo (read New York State) before they would add BC...large public flagship (as much as NY has), AAU, solid academics (ranked 41st on the Business First's rankings posted on the BY last week). But that’s not happening any time soon either IMO.

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Tusky said:
This is pure homerism.

Your BIG Metrics that BC "loses" to UConn on:
- State Flagship: no evidence this is a metric. Again, Northwestern, MSU, Purdue and ND in this example. Theoretical advantage to UConn.
- Market Size: UConn barely adds anything to NYC when compared to what BIG already has with Rutgers, UM, OSU, Penn State (and theoretically ND). UConn adds an extra 2% compared to what BIG already has in NYC. It's redundant. UConn only really "adds" CT. BC definitely adds Boston, likely adds all of Massachusetts, and possibly adds NH, VT, ME and RI to automatic BTN carriage. Clear advantage to BC.
- Geographic Presence: 100% wrong. If the BIG adds UConn they would be adding 1 of the 2 New England P5 teams. That's a split of New England. If the BIG adds BC -- and UConn gets passed over by the ACC, which is very possible -- the BIG adds ALL OF NEW ENGLAND. They would be the only major college football team in New England. Clear advantage to BC.
- Athletic Success: BC wins football and hockey. UConn wins basketball. The other sports are a wash. Advantage to BC.
- Facilities: BC just pledged $200 million to facilities. If this really became a debate you'd see BC pump out renderings and make unequivocal BC's committment to athletics at the highest level. Also, BC with facilities on campus...in the city of Boston, where all of the other BIG schools have large alumni networks that would love to go to games more often. Advantage BC.
- Fanbase: I don't know what you're basing this on. In football BC (outside of really rare and random 2-win seasons) draws more fans to football games, draws better TV ratings, and commands more national attention. You have basketball. I guess you can hope they care about basketball fanbase. Advantage BC.

BC is not "a nice undergraduate college in a major city." Boston College is an elite university and a nationwide brand name.

As for Notre Dame, conference politics is a very real consideration. It's not unreasonable that if an independent minded and proud university like Notre Dame was to join the BIG they wouldn't want to be the odd-ball small, private, Catholic school that gets bullied on conference issues. It's not unreasonable that they would insist on a like-minded partner institution to increase their clout in their new home.

Just my $0.02.
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I've got a few problems with your assessment
1) State flagship does matter. Flagships pump out the most research and get the most $ in grants, have med schools, large student bases, and storied history. BC has the history academically and athletically, but doesn't have nearly the same level of research as UConn or a medical school. Sure, there are hugely successful athletic programs that you mentioned who defy the criteria, but they're an aberration.
2) Football attendance, if adjusted to consider who you guys play on a weekly basis compared to us, is objectively embarrassing--any logical BC fan is willing to admit that. BC is known for having a lukewarm fan base. TV ratings are also obviously associated with conference affiliation and opponent--of course your TV ratings will trump ours when we've got a 12:00 slot on CBS Sports against UCF and you're playing FSU on a Friday night. On an equal playing field, it's hard to believe that BC would garner more interest on television over UConn. Also, your assertion that people in northern New England states give a **** about BC sports, or even people in Boston for that matter, is just as absurd as our argument that we're NYC's team (as a UConn fan, no one in NYC cares about us--I'll definitely concede that). BC's market is undoubtedly an advantage over UConn's, and if it were an advantage, it would be marginal. Our student and alumni base is much larger and we have the advantage of being the premier athletic program in our state, whereas you guys are behind a multitude of professional teams and are home to folks who are attending literally hundreds of colleges within Boston, thus not caring about BC athletics.
3) You mention that BC football is better than UConn, UConn basketball is better than BC, and BC is better in olympic sports (not sure where you derive that from). Let's look at this holistically. By what margin is BC football better than UConn? You can point to Doug Flutie and the Orange Bowl all you want, but BC's history as a football team is pretty pedestrian apart from Flutie and Matt Ryan. UConn is no football powerhouse--I'm not arguing that. However, your advantage there is marginal and rooted mostly in the fact that your program has the benefit of having competed at the FBS level for longer than we have. As for basketball, the advantage is clearly anything but marginal. Your basketball team is one of the worst p5 programs in decades and shows no signs of improving any time soon. We, on the other hand, are one of the ten best basketball programs in the country, and are obviously the best women's program. As for olympic sports, I won't pretend to know anything about BC's programs, but we've had a heck of a run in baseball developing MLB talent, have a great soccer team and field hockey is dominant. So, again, if we look at things holistically, rather than you being like, "oh, well we've got the advantage in 2 of 3 categories so advantage BC!" it's smarter to consider how wide the discrepancy is between the programs in each sport, something that you purposefully ignore in order to avoid having to confront how a power conference will be so insane as to willingly take on such a poor basketball program whose other athletic programs (aside from hockey) offer nothing of any exceptional value
 
billybud said:
What? The only program in the B1G that is not a public flagship is Northwestern?

No Sir...Michigan State is not a Flagship, nor is Purdue....
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Michigan State is the "original" land-grant university, and it's huge. IU and Purdue jointly operate several campuses, and collectively, they're very huge.

p.s. Please "like" this post and get me off of "666".
 
  1. Also would leave open option of scheduling a 10th "non-conference game" with a conference mate not on your schedule that year a la ACC

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  2. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 1h1 hour ago
    OU would basically get UT and OKst every year. And WVU would basically get UC and Uconn. Not sure on the others

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  3. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 1h1 hour ago
    Zipper divisions would include-per school-1 permanent cross divisional rivalry and 1 "semi-permanent"

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  4. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 1h1 hour ago
    Rumor is that UT wants in the same division as OU to only play once a year but maximum $$ is in separate divisions.

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  5. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 1h1 hour ago
    If four ACC additions happen later then they would readdress divisions. That's the proposal anyway.
    1. They want 9 conference games so you'd play as many conf schools as possible in a season.

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    2. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 2h2 hours ago
      Possibility of OU/UT CCG matchup is most attractive for maximum $$

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    3. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 2h2 hours ago
      UT, TT, KU, WVU, Baylor, and OKst in one and OU, Cincy, Kst, ISU, TCU, Uconn in the other.

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    4. MHver3 ‏@MHver3 2h2 hours ago
      OU is proposing "zipper" divisions for a 12 team B12.

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  1. UC/UCONN

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  2. Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 41m41 minutes ago
    Now look at the disposable Income of the state of CT. Hell...go look at the disposable income of top cities in USA. Do you see a trend?

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  3. Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 43m43 minutes ago
    Go ahead...look up disposable income by state. Where do you see New Jersey and Maryland? Go ahead..look it up. Very high.

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  4. Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 45m45 minutes ago
    Of all the talk on metrics when it comes to Conference Expansion...almost everyone misses a crucial part of the metrics.. Disposable Income
 
Join me in taking the pledge: do not feed the trolls.

BC fans, Rutgers fans, them.

If you wanna engage them, send them a private message or set up a thread in the cesspool, but I can't be the only one here who comes to the non-key tweets page for false hope and gets frustrated by reading pages of people having the same argument for the 400th time.

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HuskyHawk said:
Nor is Florida State by that measure.
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By what measure?

The Florida Legislature has declared in statute, and the University Board of Governor's have ratified, that FSU and U of Florida are the State's Preeminent Universities. And as such receive legislative funding above that of the non preeminent universities.

By Land Grant status?

Alabama isn't land grant...neither is Michigan..nor Oklahoma, nor South Carolina, North Carolina, Oregon...so what?

By date of founding?

FSU and Florida were co founded...as the Seminary East of the Suwanee and the Seminary West of the Suwanee. FSU was located right where the campus is today...Florida was in Lake City before moving to Gainesville.

FSU was playing football in 1903 and 1904 (beat Florida)...from 1905 through 1946, FSU served as the women's college while Florida served as the men's college. Both went coed in 1947.

But who really cares...these are all artificial labels when it comes to sports.
 
Seaa Blue said:
Michigan State is the "original" land-grant university, and it's huge. IU and Purdue jointly operate several campuses, and collectively, they're very huge.

p.s. Please "like" this post and get me off of "666".
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I meant to type Michigan...scuse me, please,
 
I really didn't want to get into history of other schools...just want to point out that "Flagship" and "Land Grant" do not have much actual meaning football or basketball...

There is no official definition of flagship universities...we list them, we say we know them when we see them...but that's pretty much it.
 
What would I want as a new conference member?

.....a very competitive athletic department
....fans that support athletics
....reasonable geographic propinquity
....a program that will bring sports consumer interest (in stadium and on TV)

and less so:
....a university in a location that has significant alumni from my school in the area
 
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billybud said:
What would I want as a new conference member?


....reasonable geographic propinquity
and less so:
....a university in a location that has significant alumni from my school in the area
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I don't know about the number of FSU alumni in the near tri-state, but we have many people that use words like "propinquity" and even a few that quote 18th century Scottish poets.
 
billybud said:
I really didn't want to get into history of other schools...just want to point out that "Flagship" and "Land Grant" do not have much actual meaning football or basketball...

There is no official definition of flagship universities...we list them, we say we know them when we see them...but that's pretty much it.
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Flagship has a lot of meaning when it comes to research. It means research money, as well as legal protection from the state for research that could be ahead of the law. This is probably why the CIC wants AAU and has a contiguous state requirement. Transporting a dangerous synthetic virus between schools is a lot easier if the virus never leaves a CIC state.
 
billybud said:
Maybe Louisville.

Gawd....Miami did this to us. BC and Cuse should play in a northeastern conference.

May Sha na na burn in hell.
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Would you be happy if it was FSU, GT, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Maryland, Clemson, Wake, and UVA in one league and Cuse, BCU, WVU, Rutgers, UConn, Miami, Virginia Tech, and Pittsburgh in another? Good, so would we. But you guys ruined that.
 
Tusky said:
This is pure homerism.

Your BIG Metrics that BC "loses" to UConn on:
- State Flagship: no evidence this is a metric. Again, Northwestern, MSU, Purdue and ND in this example. Theoretical advantage to UConn.
- Market Size: UConn barely adds anything to NYC when compared to what BIG already has with Rutgers, UM, OSU, Penn State (and theoretically ND). UConn adds an extra 2% compared to what BIG already has in NYC. It's redundant. UConn only really "adds" CT. BC definitely adds Boston, likely adds all of Massachusetts, and possibly adds NH, VT, ME and RI to automatic BTN carriage. Clear advantage to BC.
- Geographic Presence: 100% wrong. If the BIG adds UConn they would be adding 1 of the 2 New England P5 teams. That's a split of New England. If the BIG adds BC -- and UConn gets passed over by the ACC, which is very possible -- the BIG adds ALL OF NEW ENGLAND. They would be the only major college football team in New England. Clear advantage to BC.
- Athletic Success: BC wins football and hockey. UConn wins basketball. The other sports are a wash. Advantage to BC.
- Facilities: BC just pledged $200 million to facilities. If this really became a debate you'd see BC pump out renderings and make unequivocal BC's committment to athletics at the highest level. Also, BC with facilities on campus...in the city of Boston, where all of the other BIG schools have large alumni networks that would love to go to games more often. Advantage BC.
- Fanbase: I don't know what you're basing this on. In football BC (outside of really rare and random 2-win seasons) draws more fans to football games, draws better TV ratings, and commands more national attention. You have basketball. I guess you can hope they care about basketball fanbase. Advantage BC.

BC is not "a nice undergraduate college in a major city." Boston College is an elite university and a nationwide brand name.

As for Notre Dame, conference politics is a very real consideration. It's not unreasonable that if an independent minded and proud university like Notre Dame was to join the BIG they wouldn't want to be the odd-ball small, private, Catholic school that gets bullied on conference issues. It's not unreasonable that they would insist on a like-minded partner institution to increase their clout in their new home.

Just my $0.02.
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I have not made my way through the subsequent posts yet so I am sure this has been called out more than once, but I nearly fell out of my seat at the idea that BC would get carriage in New England. Holy smokes - if that is not a joke you are one deluded hombre. Such a crazy premise that there is literally no basis for a reasonable argument.
 
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