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[Fishy]

Total revenue....Good point...Uconn already makes more than Rutgers? Can you imagine the jump with a P5 TV money?

The revenue includes a significant subsidy from the university. (Being outside of the P5 basically ensures that the larger athletic departments include such a subsidy.)

If UConn was pulling in P5 revenue, there would still be a subsidy, but it would be significantly less - figure the department would be in the $85-90M range.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

After looking at these numbers, it is clear as day UCONN has no business being stuck in the G5. UCONN is already a P5 school revenue wise and that number will only look better if given the access to P5 TV contract. At this point, we just need to get into a P5 even it is the B12. UCONN, Cincy, and BYU should be the only schools B12 should be considering.

 

[Ldandy]

After looking at these numbers, it is clear as day UCONN has no business being stuck in the G5. UCONN is already a P5 school revenue wise and that number will only look better if given the access to P5 TV contract. At this point, we just need to get into a P5 even it is the B12. UCONN, Cincy, and BYU should be the only schools B12 should be considering.

No way to disagree with you here. UCONN has done more than most while having less. That's the epitome of a competitor. While I don't ever see a day where UCONN becomes a football power, what they bring to the table with their blend of markets, academics, basketball and Olympic Sports should be more than enough.

Unfortunately we live in a politicized world where some believe they can enhance their own standing by keeping others down. We have seen this play out in The ACC with schools like UCONN and WVU. I hope one day that UCONN gets a fair shot in a P5 Conference, even if its the Big 12.

 

[CL82]

It's kind of Bizarro world logic, but in some ways it may be easier for UConn to win votes in the Big 12, where putting us on a level playing field doesn't threaten any of the existing conference members.

 

[Dooley]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11m11 minutes ago
@BrianEaton3 @FootbalHouston Why? The majority of Big 12 schools want to add easy wins if they expand.

Gotta love him. He now says "easy wins" are part of the criteria for B12 expansion. Geez, if that is truly the case (which I know it isn't), then this will be an all-time WTF criteria changer to kick UConn in the sack. Making a bowl game in 2015 = a bad thing? After handing out the easiest of easy wins for 4+ years, too.

Rule #1.

 

[Stinger92860]

Gotta love him. He now says "easy wins" are part of the criteria for B12 expansion. Geez, if that is truly the case (which I know it isn't), then this will be an all-time WTF criteria changer to kick UConn in the sack. Making a bowl game in 2015 = a bad thing? After handing out the easiest of easy wins for 4+ years, too.

Rule #1.

This makes things much easier. Columbia (NYC) and Harvard (Boston) to the B12!

 

[WestCoastHusky]

It's kind of Bizarro world logic, but in some ways it may be easier for UConn to win votes in the Big 12, where putting us on a level playing field doesn't threaten any of the existing conference members.

Adding UCONN will open up new markets for the B12. B12 will get access to New England and the NYC TV markets. It will give B12 schools exposure out in the east where they don't have much right now.

I really believe traveling is overrated. With fast airplanes today, traveling can be easier with a partner. WVU can be a traveling partner for UCONN for Olympic sports. UCONN can travel with WVU when going out to the Midwest. B12 teams can come out East and play WVU and UCONN in the same trip. It can be done to minimize disruption to student athletes.

UCONN will more than hold its own when it comes to TV value. UCONN also brings two national basketball powers that will instantly enhance the B12 in both sports.

While B12 is not as ideal as the B10, if that's the only option available we need to take it now. Who knows what the future will hold, the only thing I know is we need to get out of the G5 ASAP.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Gotta love him. He now says "easy wins" are part of the criteria for B12 expansion. Geez, if that is truly the case (which I know it isn't), then this will be an all-time WTF criteria changer to kick UConn in the sack. Making a bowl game in 2015 = a bad thing? After handing out the easiest of easy wins for 4+ years, too.

Rule #1.

It won't be long before we "upset" Texas at the Rent if we are in the B12. It will happen a lot sooner than people think.

 

[noeynox]

It won't be long before we "upset" Texas at the Rent if we are in the B12. It will happen a lot sooner than people think.

Just like: Every. Single. Team. In. The. Big. East.

It supposedly would take us 15-20 years to catch up. In no time we were beating Syracuse and their "tradition' like a drum. The toughest team for us was West Virginia but they too got their come uppance.

 

[billybud]

The averages sure get skewed with teams like Ohio State and Texas making $40 or more million more than most of their fellows in the conference.

If Virginia was in the B1G at present, I wonder how much significantly improved their revenue would be....With $87 million reported in the ACC, would they in the B1G be bringing in more than Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana? Who currently make about $87 million or less (most of those listed teams less)...and Michigan State only $6 million more.

 

[Fishy]

The averages sure get skewed with teams like Ohio State and Texas making $40 or more million more than most of their fellows in the conference.

If Virginia was in the B1G at present, I wonder how much significantly improved their revenue would be....With $87 million reported in the ACC, would they in the B1G be bringing in more than Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana? Who currently make about $87 million or less (most of those listed teams less)...and Michigan State only $6 million more.

Their revenue would be significantly improved.

They'd make a bundle more on television, sell more tickets, etc., etc.

You are having trouble coming to grips with the math here. The Big Ten is entering a hockey stick period of revenue growth. The ACC is where it is through the next decade or so - the marketplace has spoken.

 

[Ha Who]

Their revenue would be significantly improved.

They'd make a bundle more on television, sell more tickets, etc., etc.

You are having trouble coming to grips with the math here. The Big Ten is entering a hockey stick period of revenue growth. The ACC is where it is through the next decade or so - the marketplace has spoken.

Agreed. The best FSU and Clemson can hope for is to be the Gonzaga of football. Championships are going to slowly fade into the past. The resources will not be there.

 

[dayooper]

The averages sure get skewed with teams like Ohio State and Texas making $40 or more million more than most of their fellows in the conference.

If Virginia was in the B1G at present, I wonder how much significantly improved their revenue would be....With $87 million reported in the ACC, would they in the B1G be bringing in more than Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, and Indiana? Who currently make about $87 million or less (most of those listed teams less)...and Michigan State only $6 million more.

Funny you should bring up UVA. If Virginia was in the Big10, they might not be running on a deficit. In 2013, Virginia brought in $83.6 million while spending $87.4 million. They take much pride in their Olympic sports and are very successful in them. They spend a lot on them while not getting much back in the way of revenue. Yet, that deficit doesn't tell the entire story.

UVA had the second highest subsidies out of the P5 schools with $13.2 million. Who was first? Easy to figure out the ACC team that was bleeding money very publicly, Maryland. (Rutgers was much higher, but still part of of the AAC). You know who paid that $13 million? The students, and that still doesn't cover the $4 million deficit they ran.

Do I think the ACC is breaking up? Absolutely not. They are too tightly knit to break out. The UNC's, FSU's and the UVA's of the conference will always be fine. They have other ways of bringing in money. Who will really be hurting are the BC's, NCST's, VT's, Syracuse's and WF's of the conference. They will be the true casualties of Swofford's folly.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
Remember
UMD Loh said decision to move school to B1G came after two months of input from school officials, politicians, alumni & donors.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
However....the B12 expansion train...as was the case of Maryland 11/19-20/2012...has been rolling for 2 months prior.

AJ Tech ‏@tech_aj · 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire not if you are an AAC looking to improve your standing.

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire It takes at least a couple of months of external and internal negotiations...talk...input...organizational work on both sides of the coin.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
According to BTM..B1G perception is B12 talks with UH-MEM-CINCY have led those schools officials, politicians, alumni & donors to gather...

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire There has been no vote-selections.
But those universities who have not been gathering their Officials-Donors-Politicians...were told not to

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
Is their a 4th school in the mix? Maybe...maybe B10 perception is wrong on the number being only 3 candidates.
Maybe.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire Will talk again JAN 16th.
I've been asked many questions lately...have not been able to respond.
We will talk again.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Not a tweet but found an article from Frank that talked about what the best options are for the Big 12.

http://frankthetank.me/tag/uconn-to-the-big-12/

Excerpt:

This certainly isn’t a proverbial slam dunk. Like I’ve said, the threshold question is whether the Big 12 wants to expand at all (as they are awaiting feedback on their proposal to the NCAA to allow for leagues with less than 12 schools to hold a conference championship game). At the same time, Memphis isn’t suddenly a no-brainer addition – there are plenty of open issues, particularly whether its academic reputation would satisfy Texas and if its football success this past year is sustainable. Looking at conference realignment in a vacuum, the two most valuable Group of 5 schools are arguably BYU and UConn, so who knows how the Big 12 views either of those schools. I’ll re-state my firm belief that BYU would be a fantastic fit for the Big 12 both on-the-field and financially, but acknowledge that it’s the most unpredictable school that I’ve seen over the past few years of conference realignment both in terms of its own actions and how the rest of the Big 12 perceives the school. If the Big 12 expands and BYU is somehow passed over, then it would be a clear inverse of the Michael Corleone credo: “It’s not business, it’s just personal”. UConn is in a tough spot because it’s not a very good fit at all for the Big 12 culturally or geographically, yet it still needs to push hard for a place in that league since it doesn’t have any other power conference options forthcoming in the near future. It’s all an interesting set of circumstances right now. The last couple of spots in the Big 12 might be the final power conference additions that the college sports world will see in this generation, so the stakes are massive for those schools that have a viable chance.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
Several people have asked me about UC & the ACC. I've asked a few people who would know & they say it's completely bogus.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
They point out that all UC would do would be to reduce revenues since ESPN will not add money for a G5 school.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 7h7 hours ago
No offense to UC but if UC had the metrics that justified addition they wouldn't be in the AAC.

Andy Cain ‏@cainforpresiden 6h6 hours ago
@theDudeofWV and that's why they spent the 200 million in 2 new stadiums and started paying coaches higher salaries. Took too long

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
@cainforpresiden Some schools just don't fit with some conferences.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
But UC is still one of the schools the Big 12 will add if they have to expand to 12/2 divisions to have a CCG.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
Obviously the Big 12 will wait until they know if their legislation passes or is modified.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 6h6 hours ago Irmo, SC
@theDudeofWV If the BIG10 rule is adopted, I think BIG12 expands. You?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste They have too. Playoff committee has told them publicly & privately that 13th data point is very important.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste But I think Pete Thamel had an error about the SEC supporting the B1G legislation. I think the B12, ACC & SEC are opposed.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste Sankey said this: the SEC would be willing to allow the B12 to stage a CCG with 10 teams & no div.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
@DavidTeelatDP So I have dozens of Cincy fans emailing me that UC has been invited to join the ACC. Can you please set them straight?

GREG SW AIM SHOW ‏@GSw aim Dec 29
#B1G coming after #ACC as well as #Big12, to force them to have two divisions, and play by the same rules. #BYU and #UCBearcats stand by!!

GREG SW AIM SHOW ‏@GSw aim Dec 29
Was born in Cincinnati, and have a ton of LDS friends (and on Twitter), so looking forward to doing shows in both places. #UCBearcats #BYU

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 22h22 hours ago
Is their a 4th school in the mix? Maybe...maybe B10 perception is wrong on the number being only 3 candidates.

Maybe.

 

[junglehusky]

I really believe traveling is overrated. With fast airplanes today, traveling can be easier with a partner. WVU can be a traveling partner for UCONN for Olympic sports. UCONN can travel with WVU when going out to the Midwest. B12 teams can come out East and play WVU and UCONN in the same trip. It can be done to minimize disruption to student athletes.

I recall reading an article about travel in the B12 - a lot of those campuses are a decent drive away from the regional airport. Maybe chartering works but costs more. Where it really impacts student athletes is when you have a late start time (thanks to TV) and fly back east at night and lose an hour. Not a huge deal if you do it once or twice a season in football, but it becomes significant for other sports if they have to do it several times in a season.

 

[whaler11]

The longer I look at this crap only two conferences have a chance to 'win' The SEC or the Big 10 (obv not a secret).

Seems to me the trophy is North Carolina and whichever figures out how to pry them away will have everything else they want fall right in place.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

The longer I look at this crap only two conferences have a chance to 'win' The SEC or the Big 10 (obv not a secret).

Seems to me the trophy is North Carolina and whichever figures out how to pry them away will have everything else they want fall right in place.

The PAC will be one of the final P4, also, due to geography. Thus its down tot he XII and ACC with respect to the last conference in with key members such as UNC as you noted and Oklahoma the key lynch pins.

 

[whaler11]

The PAC will be one of the final P4, also, due to geography. Thus its down tot he XII and ACC with respect to the last conference in with key members such as UNC as you noted and Oklahoma the key lynch pins.

Yeah they will exist I just think they will be a distant third financially.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 51m
Common phrase used by all PAC/B1G/ACC fans...."Thank God for the Big 12....for their suckage play makes our suckage not look so bad.

ME: UConn and Cincy would still join this group. I hope for your sake it happens.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert Retweeted
Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste · 18h18 hours ago
@Manny_Insanity @theDudeofWV Disney owns ESPN & will NOT allow more $$ spent on what they already own & why ACC keeps using stall tactics

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity A few UC people are claiming UC has an ACC invite forthcoming. 100% false.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Manny_Insanity UC adds zilch to the ACC. Doesn't improve football or hoops. Wouldn't add $. Actually hurts SoS.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity End of story. No offense to UC but if they had value they would be in the P5.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity The reality is that Pitt, Cuse, WVU & UL were all picked over UC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity And nothing, not even the modest facilities improvements, has changed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity If UC gets into the B12 it will be solely because of their proximity to Morgantown.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity Of all the G5 schools only BYU comes close to being P5 worthy & they have their own issues.

 

[FDNY99]

Christopher Lambert Retweeted
Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste · 18h18 hours ago
@Manny_Insanity @theDudeofWV Disney owns ESPN & will NOT allow more $$ spent on what they already own & why ACC keeps using stall tactics

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity A few UC people are claiming UC has an ACC invite forthcoming. 100% false.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Manny_Insanity UC adds zilch to the ACC. Doesn't improve football or hoops. Wouldn't add $. Actually hurts SoS.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity End of story. No offense to UC but if they had value they would be in the P5.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity The reality is that Pitt, Cuse, WVU & UL were all picked over UC.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity And nothing, not even the modest facilities improvements, has changed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity If UC gets into the B12 it will be solely because of their proximity to Morgantown.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 16h16 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste @Manny_Insanity Of all the G5 schools only BYU comes close to being P5 worthy & they have their own issues.

Joestar found these 2 to add to this exchange:

1. Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 30 Dec 2015
   @theDudeofWV Would that be UC Cincinnati, or UC UCONN? What is the rumor?
   
   
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   Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 30 Dec 2015
   @Mountaineer_Ste UCONN is UCONN. The rumor is UC is getting invited to the ACC.
   

 

[Kolumbo]

Just received another e-mail regarding Drive to 5.
http://www.foundation.uconn.edu/what-to-support/athletics/hu5ky-drive/

 

[OkaForPrez]

Life in the AAC

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 49m49 minutes ago
This is why Football Demographics, along with Market and Travel, is the leading indicator (B10 perspective) on where B12 does expansion.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 46m46 minutes ago
B12, without the help of a Conf Network, and with other exposure issues, need to expand in Football Demographic areas.
Need to..and will.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 45m45 minutes ago
The question BTM can't answer tonight...and may not be able to until official announcement...will it be..
MEM/CINCY
MEM/UH
UH/CINCY

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 44m44 minutes ago
For the Big 12 Brand to survive...it needs to expand into Football markets and Football Demographic (talent)..with at least decent TV market

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 43m43 minutes ago
Good news for Big 12....as we mentioned in Summer...Boren has won the arguement in Big 12.
Starr - Boren - Gee has given their views to B12

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 41m41 minutes ago
Now we wait.
But not for much longer
Big 12 Expansion, if done right..with an added B12 Network a few years from now could save Conference

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 40m40 minutes ago
All the candidates have pros and cons...to add 2 will take compromise between the 10 current universities. TV partners will need to approve

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 39m39 minutes ago
However...BTM believes TV approval has been done with leading candidates. As we have mentioned...B12 Expansion Train is way down the tracks

E. Michael Kamp ‏@Epfourteen · 38m38 minutes ago
@flugempire will teams start in 2017?!

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @Epfourteen Yes

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 29m29 minutes ago
To my UCONN & BYU friends..it would surprise the Big Ten if either one if you were selected by B12 (lack FB demographics)
But good luck.

E. Michael Kamp ‏@Epfourteen · 27m27 minutes ago
@flugempire still the 3 finalists you've been saying ?

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @Epfourteen We believe so.

 

[noeynox]

Houston this year's success aside does nothing for a conference with Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU from a TV perspective. If they get in its pure Texas politics at play. Nothing wrong with that, whatever it takes if you're Houston. Memphis for ever has been dog sheet in FB. Fuente led a two season revival but really they're two last two years are no better than some of our years from 07-10. If they don't take BYU because they're looking east, Cincy and us make the most sense for a league that may one day be looking for a conference network.

 

[whaler11]

The Big 12 cares about one thing: Memphis generates as many SEC football players as anywhere. If they expand I'd be shocked if it didn't include Memphis.

 

[noeynox]

The Big 12 cares about one thing: Memphis generates as many SEC football players as anywhere. If they expand I'd be shocked if it didn't include Memphis.

If that is what they are after, then I'd expect it to be Memphis and Cincinnati.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Houston this year's success aside does nothing for a conference with Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU from a TV perspective. If they get in its pure Texas politics at play. Nothing wrong with that, whatever it takes if you're Houston. Memphis for ever has been dog sheet in FB. Fuente led a two season revival but really they're two last two years are no better than some of our years from 07-10. If they don't take BYU because they're looking east, Cincy and us make the most sense for a league that may one day be looking for a conference network.

I have the impression that U Texas cares about its position in Texas, athletically and politically, while Oklahoma has its eyes on the national stage. If the XII does not expand or adds Houston and Memphis, Oklahoma is gone and once the Sooners leave, Kansas and possibly OK State will follow.

While the XII did get a team into the playoffs, the XII's overall bowl performance in 2016 is not helping their cause. They one 1 game (Baylor over UNC) while Oklahoma was beaten convincingly by Clemson in the semi-final and the rest of the teams did not show-up - TT lost to LSU by 29, OK State lost to Ole Miss by 28, K State lost to Arkansas by 22, TCU is down by 14 to Oregon, and no one cares that WV is in a bowl. The American did not d much better; but, the conference did get a marquee win with Houston smoking Florida St.