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[dayooper]

I think most hear believe that OU could be more valuable to the Big Ten than us. Where you leave logic is assuming that OU joining makes it evident that OU and Kansas is better than OU and us. Which you haven't even bothered to make a rational case for -- you just keep repeating it as if trolling more frequently makes your position more effective.

Let me preface my post by saying that I would rather have UConn over Kansas.

I follow sports, but am not a rabid basketball fan. I would rather watch a college football game than anything else. Out of the schools that have been thrown around and that I believe are attainable for the Big10, Oklahoma is my first choice with UConn being my second. I understand what UConn brings to the table, that's why I'm in the Huskies corner. The success of your bball team, the academic component, the access to NE hockey recruiting, MSG, all of it.

That being said, I can see the Kansas perspective as well. They are a traditional basket blueblood whose success has been spread out over a long period time. Many generations of college basketball fans recognize the Jayhawks. Paired with Oklahoma and Nebraska, they would comprise a good chunk of the Old Big 8, at least the main teams. Remember, many Big10 schools value tradition (when talking about Rutgers, they have touted they are the birthplace of college football, but then again, that may be the only thing they could say about Rutgers). Kansas has a very long and storied tradition. To top it off, I don't think Oklahoma comes to the Big10 without Kansas. I think Oklahoma is that big a of an addition that it would sway the balance to Kansas' side.

I also feel that the Big10 won't stop at 16. I think they go all the way to 20, and I think UConn, Oklahoma, and Kansas are the three prizes. Who the other three are I really don't know, but the days of adding schools for cable boxes is over. All three of UConn, Oklahoma, and Kansas can and will get national exposure. The next step? Who knows, maybe selecting schools that will put the Big10 in large or fast growing areas is that step?

 

[HuskyHawk]

So you don't know or don't remember. Either way its a critical part of your position and it's important to the conversation. I'll look it up for you.

I looked up the DMAs applicable to each school. But that doesn't tell the story entirely, despite CT having a little bit of an edge. For example, as bad as it is, KU football does better in its DMAs (KC, Wichita mostly) than UConn does. At the moment they are essentially the worst team in FBS, but KU won an Orange Bowl and had a #7 final ranking in 2008. They have more history, including players like Gayle Sayers, John Riggins, Nolan Cromwell. Those things matter to the B1G. They also have more history in basketball, probably as much as anyone including Kentucky, and are the second winning-est program all time behind Kentucky along with probably the greatest player ever in Wilt. They are currently AAU. They are geographically contiguous to Nebraska and Iowa.

I went to both schools (hence the name). I have no dog or hawk in this fight. I desperately want both schools to come out in a good place, preferably the B1G, although KU to B1G and UConn to ACC is fine with me too. I simply believe that if they are adding OU, the B1G will want to retain a contiguous footprint and will see KU as the most appropriate partner. By the way, I think that if they add say, Virginia Tech, UConn is the most logical partner. KU is, by most measures that matter to the B1G historically: AAU, contiguous, national brand, culture...possibly the single most Big Ten style school not already in the league, even more than Missouri.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Let me preface my post by saying that I would rather have UConn over Kansas.

I also feel that the Big10 won't stop at 16. I think they go all the way to 20, and I think UConn, Oklahoma, and Kansas are the three prizes. Who the other three are I really don't know, but the days of adding schools for cable boxes is over. All three of UConn, Oklahoma, and Kansas can and will get national exposure. The next step? Who knows, maybe selecting schools that will put the Big10 in large or fast growing areas is that step?

I also believe the end game for the B1G is 20. They will get there by adding either A) XII members - Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas or B) ACC members - Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech (GA and NC do touch physically), and Florida St. That leaves 2 to 3 additional slots and hopefully UConn will be one of those.

 

[pj]

I looked up the DMAs applicable to each school. But that doesn't tell the story entirely, despite CT having a little bit of an edge. For example, as bad as it is, KU football does better in its DMAs (KC, Wichita mostly) than UConn does. At the moment they are essentially the worst team in FBS, but KU won an Orange Bowl and had a #7 final ranking in 2008. They have more history, including players like Gayle Sayers, John Riggins, Nolan Cromwell. Those things matter to the B1G. They also have more history in basketball, probably as much as anyone including Kentucky, and are the second winning-est program all time behind Kentucky along with probably the greatest player ever in Wilt. They are currently AAU. They are geographically contiguous to Nebraska and Iowa.

I went to both schools (hence the name). I have no dog or hawk in this fight. I desperately want both schools to come out in a good place, preferably the B1G, although KU to B1G and UConn to ACC is fine with me too. I simply believe that if they are adding OU, the B1G will want to retain a contiguous footprint and will see KU as the most appropriate partner. By the way, I think that if they add say, Virginia Tech, UConn is the most logical partner. KU is, by most measures that matter to the B1G historically: AAU, contiguous, national brand, culture...possibly the single most Big Ten style school not already in the league, even more than Missouri.

This is why I wonder if the B1G might not prefer UConn and Kansas to Oklahoma and Kansas. Not that UConn is as valuable as Oklahoma -- we're not -- but culturally and geographically UConn and Kansas fit very well. With Kansas and Oklahoma the B1G is doubling down on the Midwest/Plains and psychically getting farther from New York and DC, not closer.

 

[Fishy]

Why? Because you don't like hearing what I have to say? Because the truth is, if OU leaves the BigXII it could mean we're stuck in this crappy conference? I don't like it, but it's time to face the reality that we're not the center of the expansion universe.

Again, you can go.

 

[RustyHusky]

Let me preface my post by saying that I would rather have UConn over Kansas.

I follow sports, but am not a rabid basketball fan. I would rather watch a college football game than anything else. Out of the schools that have been thrown around and that I believe are attainable for the Big10, Oklahoma is my first choice with UConn being my second. I understand what UConn brings to the table, that's why I'm in the Huskies corner. The success of your bball team, the academic component, the access to NE hockey recruiting, MSG, all of it.

That being said, I can see the Kansas perspective as well. They are a traditional basket blueblood whose success has been spread out over a long period time. Many generations of college basketball fans recognize the Jayhawks. Paired with Oklahoma and Nebraska, they would comprise a good chunk of the Old Big 8, at least the main teams. Remember, many Big10 schools value tradition (when talking about Rutgers, they have touted they are the birthplace of college football, but then again, that may be the only thing they could say about Rutgers). Kansas has a very long and storied tradition. To top it off, I don't think Oklahoma comes to the Big10 without Kansas. I think Oklahoma is that big a of an addition that it would sway the balance to Kansas' side.

I also feel that the Big10 won't stop at 16. I think they go all the way to 20, and I think UConn, Oklahoma, and Kansas are the three prizes. Who the other three are I really don't know, but the days of adding schools for cable boxes is over. All three of UConn, Oklahoma, and Kansas can and will get national exposure. The next step? Who knows, maybe selecting schools that will put the Big10 in large or fast growing areas is that step?

Thank you for wording it more eloquently than I did. IF the B1G takes Oklahoma, then Kansas simply makes more sense than we do to go with them. The fact that some of our fans on here struggle to see that is kind of sad.

 

[Dooley]

LAFFIN'

 

[RustyHusky]

Some of my fellow fans on these boards don't like the fact that we may not be the first choice and the center of conference realignment. Unfortunately, I think our administration thinks like our fans and thus why they're not proactive in getting us out of this dump of a conference.

 

[auggie22]

Thank you for wording it more eloquently than I did. IF the B1G takes Oklahoma, then Kansas simply makes more sense than we do to go with them. The fact that some of our fans on here struggle to see that is kind of sad.

You are missing the point. And I am not sure you read 'oopers post.

Stop stating definitively with no basis that you know nothing about, as though these are facts and not your opinion, particularly when they happen to be provocative in this particular community.

 

[RustyHusky]

When I'm right about this, are you still going to call me a troll?

 

[pj]

What do you expect to be right about? That Oklahoma and Kansas may be taken ahead of UConn? That would surprise no one, especially since B12 dissolution / escape from grant of rights may require many B12 teams finding a home simultaneously.

We just think UConn is of comparable value and strategic relevance to the B1G. That doesn't mean it will be convenient to take us first.

 

[dayooper]

Some of my fellow fans on these boards don't like the fact that we may not be the first choice and the center of conference realignment. Unfortunately, I think our administration thinks like our fans and thus why they're not proactive in getting us out of this dump of a conference.

This is where I think you are very wrong. UConn is positioning itself to be part of the Big10 and doing so very wisely. Just because they aren't yapping on social media *looking at you Cincy* or having your governor almost beg for an invite *Mizzou still has mud on their face* or even starting rumors that your largest benefactor will pay your media contract so you can join for free *shaking head at Memphis*.

UConn is building relationships with the Big10. They are transforming their STEM programs and grad research to be more Big10/CiC/AAU like. They are doing it the right way. I think it looks pretty poor that these schools are begging and it tells me they are desperate. UConn is doing no such thing. In fact, even if they have to stay in the AAC or worse (Nelsons's plan), UConn will be positioned as the prominent public school in the NE. That's the big thing to get out of all of this.

It's relationships that make this CR circus work. TCU was brought into the Big12 because the president schmoozed who they needed to. Oliver Luck's relationship with both Texas and the Big12 higher ups allowed WVU to make the jump. Same with Maryland and Texas A&M.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Some of my fellow fans on these boards don't like the fact that we may not be the first choice and the center of conference realignment. Unfortunately, I think our administration thinks like our fans and thus why they're not proactive in getting us out of this dump of a conference.

I didn't follow your logic there, but I get a feeling your administration knows exactly what it is doing.

Among other things being done, if you want in the Big Ten, you don't talk about it.

 

[CL82]

Yep, time for an ignore.

 

[RustyHusky]

What do you expect to be right about? That Oklahoma and Kansas may be taken ahead of UConn? That would surprise no one, especially since B12 dissolution / escape from grant of rights may require many B12 teams finding a home simultaneously.

We just think UConn is of comparable value and strategic relevance to the B1G. That doesn't mean it will be convenient to take us first.

But that's all I've been saying! However, when anyone else says it they say it in a manner that somehow attacks me for saying the same thing they said! I'm not saying UConn isn't valuable, more or less so than Kansas. I'm saying if the B1G breaks up, it's likely that Kansas jumps ahead of us in the pecking order ESPECIALLY if Oklahoma is off to the B1G.

 

[billybud]

The Northeast is there for the taking...haven't had a team that could really label themselves the premier team in the area since Matt Ryan ran up 10 and 11 win seasons about a decade ago.

UConn, Rutgers, BC all have that chance to take the reins and run...be that team.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The Northeast is there for the taking...haven't had a team that could really label themselves the premier team in the area since Matt Ryan ran up 10 and 11 win seasons about a decade ago.

UConn, Rutgers, BC all have that chance to take the reins and run...be that team.

No, they don't. That's the thing. Nobody can ever be that team. Not Notre Dame either. So if you want to capture the mind-share of the region, you need several teams. This is where the ACC totally screwed up, and what we hope the B1G is realizing.
The ACC had it...they really did. Had they taken UConn and Rutgers, plus BC and Syracuse and added the ND deal they'd have it as locked up as it could get. Instead they managed to lose DC and NYC, and have no useful footprint in Philly either. That's an enormous blunder.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

No, they don't. That's the thing. Nobody can ever be that team. Not Notre Dame either. So if you want to capture the mind-share of the region, you need several teams. This is where the ACC totally screwed up, and what we hope the B1G is realizing.
The ACC had it...they really did. Had they taken UConn and Rutgers, plus BC and Syracuse and added the ND deal they'd have it as locked up as it could get. Instead they managed to lose DC and NYC, and have no useful footprint in Philly either. That's an enormous blunder.

But, the do have Louisville, which gives them some basketball cred, the country's 50th largest TV market, and university sponsored prostitution

 

[SAMCRO]

No, they don't. That's the thing. Nobody can ever be that team. Not Notre Dame either. So if you want to capture the mind-share of the region, you need several teams. This is where the ACC totally screwed up, and what we hope the B1G is realizing.
The ACC had it...they really did. Had they taken UConn and Rutgers, plus BC and Syracuse and added the ND deal they'd have it as locked up as it could get. Instead they managed to lose DC and NYC, and have no useful footprint in Philly either. That's an enormous blunder.

This ^. The ACC really could and should have grabbed all 3 of SU, RU, and UConn when they went to 14, jumping straight to to 15, and then taking one last run at PSU, or taking WVU or Pitt as 16 after PSU declined. That locks up the NY/New England areas as much as it could have been locked up. Instead, they were so busy "protecting ACC territory from the B12" by taking Pitt (and thinking BC would be NE's team) - to quote Flipper, that they allowed the B1G to walk in their house and drop a deuce in their kitchen and dining room by getting RU and UMd.

 

[CL82]

This ^. The ACC really could and should have grabbed all 3 of SU, RU, and UConn when they went to 14, jumping straight to to 15, and then taking one last run at PSU, or taking WVU or Pitt as 16 after PSU declined. That locks up the NY/New England areas as much as it could have been locked up. Instead, they were so busy "protecting ACC territory from the B12" by taking Pitt (and thinking BC would be NE's team) - to quote Flipper, that they allowed the B1G to walk in their house and drop a deuce in their kitchen and dining room by getting RU and UMd.

Wait so Rutgers isn't a deuce in this scenario? That's weird. It sure has seemed like there's been a steaming pile of 'sheet' on the banks of the old Raritan this season.

 

[billybud]

No, they don't. That's the thing. Nobody can ever be that team. Not Notre Dame either. So if you want to capture the mind-share of the region, you need several teams. This is where the ACC totally screwed up, and what we hope the B1G is realizing.
The ACC had it...they really did. Had they taken UConn and Rutgers, plus BC and Syracuse and added the ND deal they'd have it as locked up as it could get. Instead they managed to lose DC and NYC, and have no useful footprint in Philly either. That's an enormous blunder.

By be "that team", I meant being THE premier team of the northeast as I stated.

I wasn't talking market, loyalty of fans...I was talking about being known as the best football team in the region.

Right now, IMHO, that label is up for grabs.

 

[businesslawyer]

Some of my fellow fans on these boards don't like the fact that we may not be the first choice and the center of conference realignment. Unfortunately, I think our administration thinks like our fans and thus why they're not proactive in getting us out of this dump of a conference.

If you weren't a troll and really thought that about the administration you would really be a total idiot. So I'm hoping for you your life is just so horrific that you have nothing better to do than pretend to be someone you're not and troll internet discussion boards.

 

[RustyHusky]

When anyone else says what I'm saying, you all nod in agreement...but I'M the troll. Makes sense.

 

[upstater]

What do you expect to be right about? That Oklahoma and Kansas may be taken ahead of UConn? That would surprise no one, especially since B12 dissolution / escape from grant of rights may require many B12 teams finding a home simultaneously.

We just think UConn is of comparable value and strategic relevance to the B1G. That doesn't mean it will be convenient to take us first.

But, what happens to Oklahoma St?

 

[upstater]

I am inclined to think that if the Big 12 gets poached, the P5 pool will remain as is at 65, which would be bad for UCONN. If the Big 12 expands, the P5 pool likely expands which would be good for UCONN. In terms of expansion talk, UCONN is clearly a valuable national brand.
I also think there are two motives for CR - expansion for the greedy money grab which already went down, and realignment for the long-term good of the conferences. I tend to believe that no current/granfathered P5 programs will be left behind. Although a Big 12 shakeup may not help UCONN, I want to see something, anything happen for the sake of hope.

B12 expansion is not what I'd call good. I'd say B12 falling apart is much better for UConn.

 

[Kolumbo]

B12 expansion is not what I'd call good. I'd say B12 falling apart is much better for UConn.

How is the B12 falling apart good for UCONN? That puts 10 additional superior football programs ahead of UCONN for the P4.

 

[uchusky32]

How is the B12 falling apart good for UCONN? That puts 10 additional superior football programs ahead of UCONN for the P4.

In this scenario, Best case we enter the BG1 or the ACC in a merga conference 20 team members. Worst case we pair up with the left over B12 members and form a new conference. Or worser case we end up where we are. Dooooooomed!

 

[J187Money]

When anyone else says what I'm saying, you all nod in agreement...but I'M the troll. Makes sense.

Welcome to the Boneyard.

 

[Jimdish255]

When anyone else says what I'm saying, you all nod in agreement...but I'M the troll. Makes sense.

 

[RustyHusky]

Oklahoma State isn't some god awful program. I'm sure they'd end up in the SEC or maybe the PAC. The SEC took Mizzou and it's not like they were crushing it on the gridiron...decent, but certainly not the powerhouse of the BigXII at the time.