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Before CR, I didn't understand the connection. Now I think I do.
The B1G is clearly the most established in terms of its mission. You will continue to see speculation about large flagship U's possibly leaving the ACC, or the Big 12 for that matter, for the B1g. I highly doubt you will read about any B1G school leaving the B1g voluntarily. It won't happen.
Academics absolutely mean a great deal in the B1G.

I will say this: a lot PSU Football Fans (<-- emphasis here) want out of the BIG for mostly ridiculous reasons. These fans have been instrumental in restoring JoPa's wins, bowl revenues & the statue is next. It's an ongoing reality on their Internet boards - say what you will, but the sentiments are daily and constant.

Never underestimate grassroots movements.
 
I will say this: a lot PSU Football Fans (<-- emphasis here) want out of the BIG for mostly ridiculous reasons. These fans have been instrumental in restoring JoPa's wins, bowl revenues & the statue is next. It's an ongoing reality on their Internet boards - say what you will, but the sentiments are daily and constant.

Never underestimate grassroots movements.
There's always a spot for them in the American.
 
"Hey welcome to the American! Any chance you can help us out with getting an invite to the B1G?"
 
I will say this: a lot PSU Football Fans (<-- emphasis here) want out of the BIG for mostly ridiculous reasons. These fans have been instrumental in restoring JoPa's wins, bowl revenues & the statue is next. It's an ongoing reality on their Internet boards - say what you will, but the sentiments are daily and constant.

Never underestimate grassroots movements.

To be fair, there are Penn Staters who favor staying in the Big Ten. However, as conferences get bigger and go beyond the traditional regional limits you would get a lot of these sentiments with several fanbases. There are Oklahoma fans who want to leave the Big 12, Florida State fans who want to leave the ACC, Penn State fans who want to leave the Big Ten. The grass is always "greener" on the other side.

That's why it's best to leave the realignment business to the presidents and athletic directors. Fans have too much emotionally invested and don't think through the other stuff.
 
Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
"@rwesthead: Interesting times in NCAA hockey. Penn State hockey program turned a profit this yr with $4.4M in revenue" Rutgers listening?

Dooley ‏@DooleyMcStitch 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire @expansion_crush UCONN played PSU in a doubleheader this past season. Easy travel. @UConnMHOC leads Hockey East in attendance

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@expansion_crush And the elephant in the room people don't like to talk about when it comes to expansion... But Presidents do..CT has money

ChiTownLionPSU ‏@ChiTownLionPSU 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire @expansion_crush <-- Hey, @SpencerLeone. You should give these guys a follow. #B1G

Dooley ‏@DooleyMcStitch 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire @expansion_crush I agree - CT is not a fertile football recruiting ground. But UCONN area can deliver hoops and hockey recruits.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@expansion_crush If Boren doesn't give a wink and a nod to Delany...if Schools in Virginia don't give Delany any love...UCONN becomes viable

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@expansion_crush The most underrated part of expansion talk is how much money-branding-prestige the Big Ten will be getting from BTN 3-5 yrs

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@expansion_crush People are clouded by the "cord cutting" mantra. BTN is becoming more and more dominant. And simple economics will push..

Dooley ‏@DooleyMcStitch 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire @expansion_crush Something else...UCONN fans would chop off their own arms to be a part of the B1G. No Maryland backlash here.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@expansion_crush ..Delany to feed BTN...which increasing feeds Big Ten schools. Because of all of this and more...UCONN needs to be watched

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Although I've stated many times that I like Oklahoma and Kansas as the next members of the Big Ten, I think UConn and Kansas....

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire are the two likeliest additions. Especially since no current ACC or BXII (sans Kansas) schools seems slightly interested

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Kansas has been especially quiet regarding realignment or potential realignment compared to the rest of the BXII.

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Delaney is on record saying that any conversation with potential schools have already been made. This was when people.....

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire where asking about the secret meeting location that has been used in all face to face meetings with potential schools.

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire He wouldn't disclose the location or the schools that were in talks. He said the Big Ten had contact with less than 6 schools.

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire then a month later Lee Barknefkt says that the Big Ten was looking at 3 schools in particular. And that other opportunities....

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire were present on the Atlantic farther south and a couple of Midwest schools. Oklahoma and Kansas are Midwestern geographicly.

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire If anything, Kansas has learned from Missouri on how to handle the information.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
Big Ten hockey on the BTN/Fox Sports has been beneficial to the network...reaping good ratings. Pie is growing. More content will be wanted

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 36m36 minutes ago
@flugempire hockey is a revenue driver for some AD departments. Nebraska would add it if it weren't for title 9 concerns

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
Big Ten Hockey will expand in the next few years and according to all public information it will not probably happen from inside B1G conf

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush UCONN becomes a more interesting candidate for the Big Ten every time the calendar flips to a new year. Entering sweetspot

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush Biggest Negative for UCONN is the absence of a football recruiting grounds. But not being a Football brand is no deal break

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush Big 10 East Div does not need another Big Brand Football. Simple economics is driving next B1G expansion...good times...

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush ...good times propels expansion. BTN in 5 years will be much more different than it even is today in power and $.
 
Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush Delany told ESPN during last negotiations "Consider dice rolled"....months later BTN became reverent. Now at this time...

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 6h6 hours ago
@flugempire Delaney knows how to get what he wants for sure.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush ...Delany will use the power of the BTN(in creating wealth for all Big Ten members) to create huge leverage in negotiations

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush So if you look ahead to what Delany wants the BTN to become...UCONN is starting to look like a piece. UCONN content is...

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush...is more valuable to business model of the Big Ten than it is for Big 12 or ACC. UCONN best chance to get invite....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush It also would take a mini miracle and have a 15th available (Missouri ) with interest from both sides. Don't see it

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush But UCONN is entering a sweet spot for Big Ten metrics. Example: Now that Penn St is making good $ off of hockey in 2nd yr

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush ..how much more interested would Penn St be in a UCONN candidacy? There is much more money to be made in hockey next 10 yrs

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush ...how much more interested is Wisconsin and Michigan in a UCONN candidacy with support UCONN is getting in research in CT?

Dooley ‏@DooleyMcStitch 6h6 hours ago
@flugempire @expansion_crush UCONN played PSU in a doubleheader this past season. Easy travel. @UConnMHOC leads Hockey East in attendance

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush And the elephant in the room people don't like to talk about when it comes to expansion... But Presidents do..CT has money

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush If Boren doesn't give a wink and a nod to Delany...if Schools in Virginia don't give Delany any love...UCONN becomes viable

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush The most underrated part of expansion talk is how much money-branding-prestige the Big Ten will be getting from BTN 3-5 yrs

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush People are clouded by the "cord cutting" mantra. BTN is becoming more and more dominant. And simple economics will push..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@expansion_crush ..Delany to feed BTN...which increasing feeds Big Ten schools. Because of all of this and more...UCONN needs to be watched


ME: Keeping that hope alive. Right, Flug?
 
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I will say this: a lot PSU Football Fans (<-- emphasis here) want out of the BIG for mostly ridiculous reasons. These fans have been instrumental in restoring JoPa's wins, bowl revenues & the statue is next. It's an ongoing reality on their Internet boards - say what you will, but the sentiments are daily and constant.

Never underestimate grassroots movements.

You realize that only a few thousand people on average post on these message boards ? Probably less than a third of them hold the opinion you state as being the prevalent one. Another third are equally opposed, while the rest (like myself) can see arguments for both. PSU has over a half a million living alumni, not to mention millions of non affiliated fans. Its fairly difficult to categorize anything you read on FOS, BWI, or 247 as being indicative of how this massive group of people think. I'm not sure what team you support,(Minnesota maybe?)but if your team wasn't a member of its current conference for close to 100 years, didn't have the majority of its alumni located within the conference's footprint, and had no competing conferences that could make a reasonable argument for your inclusion, It would stand to reason that you would be pretty satisfied with where you were positioned. PSU is different. It has options. Its unlikely that they will ever exercise them, but they are out there should they want or need to.
 
I'll say this about Flug, he doesn't say he has info when he doesn't have it. He makes a lot of deductions from information that's out there and doesn't make bold predictions or prognostications. A good amount of what he says is level-headed thoughts. He's interesting to read for sure.
 
I'll say this about Flug, he doesn't say he has info when he doesn't have it. He makes a lot of deductions from information that's out there and doesn't make bold predictions or prognostications. A good amount of what he says is level-headed thoughts. He's interesting to read for sure.

Well yeah, it sounds like stuff from this board :)
 
Well yeah, it sounds like stuff from this board :)
Sure, but at least he has a track record of getting something spot on and right before it happened. The problem with the Dude and MHv3 is they have no history of getting something exactly right, yet still make specific predictions and claim to have inside info when they don't.
 
So what did the Dude have for us last Wednesday? He was going to triple check his sources and make a big announcement.
 
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So what did the Dude have for us last Wednesday? He was going to triple check his sources and make a big announcement.

I confess. He had the story of my hooking up with Ronda Rousey
 
So what did the Dude have for us last Wednesday? He was going to triple check his sources and make a big announcement.
zilch. guy's a fraud. another thing I like about Flug, doesn't make ridiculous promises of info he has and will release.
 
I'll say this - the desire to believe this guy is directly related to any positive spin he can put on our chances at a P-5 invite. Generally, he's no better than a broken clock; but hell, a broken clock is right twice a day...
 
For the record, I'm nobody--not even Greg Flugaur. I am a Gopher fan, having grown up in MN, and my online name here is a nod to True Don Blue, the jock on KDWB63 in the Twin Cities back when the world was young. (On the radio, it always sounded like "Dom" to me.)

To clarify a couple of things: when I referred to UConn sports other than bb as "projects", I meant that they will take longer to brand to the B1G. The association UConn=Hockey=B1G will take longer to build than, say, basketball. (Right now if I say, "UConn would be a great hockey add for the Big Ten," the reaction is too frequently, "UConn has hockey?") Not denigrating UConn sports in any way.

I will say this--for the similarities with Greg Flugaur, my analysis is somewhat different. I think that if the B1G had a do-over, they wouldn't take Nebraska. Although they won't say so publicly, I think they'd be happy to give'em back. (Like PSU, there's a Nebraska contingent clamoring to go back to Texas. Small but vocal.) I think B1G would completely leave the west alone. And I think they're done out west even if Boren calls (although they'd undoubtedly gulp hard).

I won't bore you with my thought processes, but if there's a wildcard at the bottom of the pile, it's this: Kentucky.

Of course, I'm frequently wrong--just ask my wife.
 
I won't bore you with my thought processes, but if there's a wildcard at the bottom of the pile, it's this: Kentucky.

Of course, I'm frequently wrong--just ask my wife.

Kentucky is too far down the academic pile.

Nebraska was a great add. I would take them just for their fans. And at the time I think B1G was thinking of a TV deal with the PAC, so it made even more sense.

And with how things turned out, the present configuration with tOSU, UM, MSU and PSU in the same division would be too unbalanced with the West to make it work. Sure, the alignment could have been altered, but I believe B1G wanted to make a splash in the East and gave the new kids 2 of 4 headliners from the East + at least 1 headliner from the West at home every year (for now).
 
I'll say this about Flug, he doesn't say he has info when he doesn't have it. He makes a lot of deductions from information that's out there and doesn't make bold predictions or prognostications. A good amount of what he says is level-headed thoughts. He's interesting to read for sure.

He at least keeps up with what is being done at UConn to improve its BIG profile (the $1.5 billion investment from the state). The fans on the other boards that I read don't seem to have a clue.

I think he said his contact is someone in the East Coast media.
 
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He at least keeps up with what is being done at UConn to improve its BIG profile (the $1.5 billion investment from the state). The fans on the other boards that I read don't seem to have a clue.

I think he said his contact is someone in the East Coast media.
Yeah, and the vast majority of his posts are just taking known facts and coming up with logical guesses - but he frames them as logical guesses, not as "MY CONTACT TOLD ME NEW STUFF! MORE AT 11!"

The only way I see Kentucky making a move is if Cal starts to think the SEC is too weak of a basketball league (which it is.) Especially if the football focus gets even more pronounced and SEC schools just have BB teams for the hell of it.
 
Since I've got about eight months to kill before next season, let me yak about this stuff a bit.

Nebraska. Here's how that went down--when it came time to vote up or down on their AAU membership, two B1G schools jumped ship and voted to kick them out. Understandably, Nebraska was, shall we say, upset. Phone lines were melted in the fallout. Of course, this all played out behind the scenes.

The two schools were both dominant football schools--and, under normal circumstances, I think those two would have stood as a solid block with the other B1G schools since the issues involved were how agricultural research was counted (and the entire B1G west has a stake in that) and how the Nebraska medical should be considered since it's not in Lincoln but rather in Omaha.

However, this was not normal circumstances. This was an opportunity for the academics at those two schools to remind the administrations they perceived as "football first" that the academic community is really first.

Anyway, after that behind-the-scenes fiasco, which was finally soothed over with promises that B1G would assist Nebraska back to AAU status, it was pretty easy to figure that the only schools that could get in next had better be solid academically. (If Delaney wanted UConn then, it simply wasn't the right time.) If the schools were solid academically and had a history of anemic football--think Rutgers--all the better for keeping the academic side happy, too.

I think enough time has passed now so that a non-AAU school might be considered, but curiously, with the academic community's approval and if they're NOT a football-first powerhouse. (I think UConn has a better shot than Oklahoma.)

When Delany says, "We're not focused on expansion right now, we just want to integrate our new additions." that's political speak for 'let's see if we can keep everybody happy so we don't have another mess like the Nebraska/AAU thing.'

In the meantime, although I think the situation with Nebraska is squared away, don't think there isn't some lingering fallout and a lot of hard feelings.

Meanwhile: Kentucky. When I called that a wildcard, I meant longshot--probably won't happen. But...the KY legislature mandated Kentucky to be a top 20 research institution by 2020. It ain't happening for them but it possibly makes them poachable by the B1G.
Again, a real longshot, but never underestimate the academic side of things. It makes them possibly poachable--and from the SEC.

In the meantime, while Kentucky struggles for years to get their academic act together, UConn chugs along getting more done in one year than Kentucky gets done in ten. If I didn't know better, I'd think somebody gave UConn a roadmap and a to do list...

Part of the problem with boards is the tendency to think expansion is as easy as swapping bubble gum cards in the treehouse on a summer afternoon. It's a lot more complicated than that: a lot of constituencies to appease or satisfy and a lot of vicious politics.

But, at the end of the day, the academic and research ends are important. Don't look at ACC's Louisville addition as a diss of UConn, but rather a "You made the right choice" for Maryland.

Nothing has changed my opinion that UConn is destined for B1G.
 
Since I've got about eight months to kill before next season, let me yak about this stuff a bit.

Nebraska. Here's how that went down--when it came time to vote up or down on their AAU membership, two B1G schools jumped ship and voted to kick them out. Understandably, Nebraska was, shall we say, upset. Phone lines were melted in the fallout. Of course, this all played out behind the scenes.

The two schools were both dominant football schools--and, under normal circumstances, I think those two would have stood as a solid block with the other B1G schools since the issues involved were how agricultural research was counted (and the entire B1G west has a stake in that) and how the Nebraska medical should be considered since it's not in Lincoln but rather in Omaha.

However, this was not normal circumstances. This was an opportunity for the academics at those two schools to remind the administrations they perceived as "football first" that the academic community is really first.

Anyway, after that behind-the-scenes fiasco, which was finally soothed over with promises that B1G would assist Nebraska back to AAU status, it was pretty easy to figure that the only schools that could get in next had better be solid academically. (If Delaney wanted UConn then, it simply wasn't the right time.) If the schools were solid academically and had a history of anemic football--think Rutgers--all the better for keeping the academic side happy, too.

I think enough time has passed now so that a non-AAU school might be considered, but curiously, with the academic community's approval and if they're NOT a football-first powerhouse. (I think UConn has a better shot than Oklahoma.)

When Delany says, "We're not focused on expansion right now, we just want to integrate our new additions." that's political speak for 'let's see if we can keep everybody happy so we don't have another mess like the Nebraska/AAU thing.'

In the meantime, although I think the situation with Nebraska is squared away, don't think there isn't some lingering fallout and a lot of hard feelings.

Meanwhile: Kentucky. When I called that a wildcard, I meant longshot--probably won't happen. But...the KY legislature mandated Kentucky to be a top 20 research institution by 2020. It ain't happening for them but it possibly makes them poachable by the B1G.
Again, a real longshot, but never underestimate the academic side of things. It makes them possibly poachable--and from the SEC.

In the meantime, while Kentucky struggles for years to get their academic act together, UConn chugs along getting more done in one year than Kentucky gets done in ten. If I didn't know better, I'd think somebody gave UConn a roadmap and a to do list...

Part of the problem with boards is the tendency to think expansion is as easy as swapping bubble gum cards in the treehouse on a summer afternoon. It's a lot more complicated than that: a lot of constituencies to appease or satisfy and a lot of vicious politics.

But, at the end of the day, the academic and research ends are important. Don't look at ACC's Louisville addition as a diss of UConn, but rather a "You made the right choice" for Maryland.

Nothing has changed my opinion that UConn is destined for B1G.


I think you're dead wrong about Neb. They're a great cultural fit for the BIG and their administrative desire to join the BIG goes back a long, long ways when discussions were at least raised during the Devaney era. Alvarez was quite instrumental in the negotiations to bring Neb into the BIG as well - a Devaney disciple. They have far fewer fans wanting back in the Big12 than say PSU fans discontent with the BIG. The only sport they fill incompatible with the BIG is baseball and some fans are upset about the fading Tx pipeline in football. I just think some Neb fans are shell shocked that Wisconsin, especially, has kicked their behinds in football & Minny has two wins against them since their membership. Neb had to adjust to the BIG & but I think their success will come in perhaps dominating fashion within 5 years - at least in the BIG West. I think Wisky will struggle under Chryst - Andersen was reaping the success, somewhat, of Bielema's recruits and structure.

For Neb, all other sports are a great fit in the BIG, esp football, wrestling, volleyball, gymnastics & they feel they've gotten an upgrade in basketball, which they have - the Big12 has for too long been dominated by KU, like Ky in the SEC. A lot of Neb alum spread into the BIG's western footprint for careers as well, albeit Colorado, Kansas and Mo as well.

The AAU thing is a bit overrated, despite Perlman's quoted claims. The AAU is overblown and the CIC as well. It's sports at the end of the day. Neb will climb up the academic rankings, but in due time. These are big state schools who answer, foremost, to their respective states - not the damn BIG.

Your thoughts on Ky are interesting, as over the years a Ky to the BIG thread occasionally pops up on Rupp Rafters: they do border In, Ill and Ohio. But they succeed more than all other BIG schools at recruiting the hot spots of the BIG footprint, without BIG membership. Their past 3 NCAA titles have included key starters out of either Ill, In or Ohio. Bottom line: they're a charter member of the SEC, which is the 3rd oldest P5 conference. Unlike Md leaving the ACC, they have 20 more years of SEC membership - two decades is a long time to further establish history & as the SEC gets closer to 85 years as a conference - loyalty stands tall. I distinctly remember the backlash most Md fans levied against the decision makers in College Park. Ky has no discontent similar to Md against the SEC. In fact most SEC fans, the homers they are, genuinely depend on Ky basketball to carry the conference.

On the other hand, and I've argued this point on here for a half year: a Ky-Duke killer in basketball is right smack center on this board: UConn. It's UConn that has won the most men's and women's titles the past 30 plus years. More specifically, it's the men's program that has won more titles than any other program in the modern era - but Ky may tie them this year - I hope not.
 
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Since I've got about eight months to kill before next season, let me yak about this stuff a bit.

Nebraska. Here's how that went down--when it came time to vote up or down on their AAU membership, two B1G schools jumped ship and voted to kick them out. Understandably, Nebraska was, shall we say, upset. Phone lines were melted in the fallout. Of course, this all played out behind the scenes.

The two schools were both dominant football schools--and, under normal circumstances, I think those two would have stood as a solid block with the other B1G schools since the issues involved were how agricultural research was counted (and the entire B1G west has a stake in that) and how the Nebraska medical should be considered since it's not in Lincoln but rather in Omaha.

However, this was not normal circumstances. This was an opportunity for the academics at those two schools to remind the administrations they perceived as "football first" that the academic community is really first.

Anyway, after that behind-the-scenes fiasco, which was finally soothed over with promises that B1G would assist Nebraska back to AAU status, it was pretty easy to figure that the only schools that could get in next had better be solid academically. (If Delaney wanted UConn then, it simply wasn't the right time.) If the schools were solid academically and had a history of anemic football--think Rutgers--all the better for keeping the academic side happy, too.

I think enough time has passed now so that a non-AAU school might be considered, but curiously, with the academic community's approval and if they're NOT a football-first powerhouse. (I think UConn has a better shot than Oklahoma.)

When Delany says, "We're not focused on expansion right now, we just want to integrate our new additions." that's political speak for 'let's see if we can keep everybody happy so we don't have another mess like the Nebraska/AAU thing.'

In the meantime, although I think the situation with Nebraska is squared away, don't think there isn't some lingering fallout and a lot of hard feelings.

Meanwhile: Kentucky. When I called that a wildcard, I meant longshot--probably won't happen. But...the KY legislature mandated Kentucky to be a top 20 research institution by 2020. It ain't happening for them but it possibly makes them poachable by the B1G.
Again, a real longshot, but never underestimate the academic side of things. It makes them possibly poachable--and from the SEC.

In the meantime, while Kentucky struggles for years to get their academic act together, UConn chugs along getting more done in one year than Kentucky gets done in ten. If I didn't know better, I'd think somebody gave UConn a roadmap and a to do list...

Part of the problem with boards is the tendency to think expansion is as easy as swapping bubble gum cards in the treehouse on a summer afternoon. It's a lot more complicated than that: a lot of constituencies to appease or satisfy and a lot of vicious politics.

But, at the end of the day, the academic and research ends are important. Don't look at ACC's Louisville addition as a diss of UConn, but rather a "You made the right choice" for Maryland.

Nothing has changed my opinion that UConn is destined for B1G.


BTW, don't deny it - you are Flugar.
 
You realize that only a few thousand people on average post on these message boards ? Probably less than a third of them hold the opinion you state as being the prevalent one. Another third are equally opposed, while the rest (like myself) can see arguments for both. PSU has over a half a million living alumni, not to mention millions of non affiliated fans. Its fairly difficult to categorize anything you read on FOS, BWI, or 247 as being indicative of how this massive group of people think. I'm not sure what team you support,(Minnesota maybe?)but if your team wasn't a member of its current conference for close to 100 years, didn't have the majority of its alumni located within the conference's footprint, and had no competing conferences that could make a reasonable argument for your inclusion, It would stand to reason that you would be pretty satisfied with where you were positioned. PSU is different. It has options. Its unlikely that they will ever exercise them, but they are out there should they want or need to.

I don't know about that. Audibles and BWI have been overrun, esp the latter, by anti-BIG types. Bottom line: you now have Md and Rutgers, along with Ohio bordering PSU - that's plenty of cultural connection according to your alumni map. Heck, Md and NJ are two of your 5 largest chapters outside of Pa. In fact NJ is second after PA. Ohio is in the top 10. The BIG might as well claim NYC soon enough, though UConn would really help - a school I'd love to see in the BIG.

I have no doubt Rutgers was added to the BIG because of Paterno's wishes for more eastern members in the BIG - he was on record for pimping Rutgers, partly because he loved their hs football - can't blame him here. Md is a bonus. Yet these anti-BIG threads continue - the expulsion vote is the latest hot rumor & if it's true, I think some hell is coming loose for BIG brass, and the schools who voted against PSU. Minnesota doesn't see to be one of them, I can't imagine them voting against PSU. Most Minny fans I've ever spoken to enjoy PSU rivalries and the flavor they bring to the conference. Russ Rose and Cael Sanderson have my absolute respect & I've especially become a fan of Rose's coaching and successful culture - the best in all of college sports, even better than UConn Women's Basketball. I was a Jo Pa fan, but man he went way past his tenure & I sensed horrible things would come out of it - and boy oh boy it couldn't have gotten worse. May he rest in peace.
 
I think you're dead wrong about Neb. They're a great cultural fit for the BIG and their administrative desire to join the BIG goes back a long, long ways when discussions were at least raised during the Devaney era. Alvarez was quite instrumental in the negotiations to bring Neb into the BIG as well - a Devaney disciple. They have far fewer fans wanting back in the Big12 than say PSU fans discontent with the BIG. The only sport they fill incompatible with the BIG is baseball and some fans are upset about the fading Tx pipeline in football. I just think some Neb fans are shell shocked that Wisconsin, especially, has kicked their behinds in football & Minny has two wins against them since their membership. Neb had to adjust to the BIG & but I think their success will come in perhaps dominating fashion within 5 years - at least in the BIG West. I think Wisky will struggle under Chryst - Andersen was reaping the success, somewhat, of Bielema's recruits and structure.

For Neb, all other sports are a great fit in the BIG, esp football, wrestling, volleyball, gymnastics & they feel they've gotten an upgrade in basketball, which they have - the Big12 has for too long been dominated by KU, like Ky in the SEC. A lot of Neb alum spread into the BIG's western footprint for careers as well, albeit Colorado, Kansas and Mo as well.

The AAU thing is a bit overrated, despite Perlman's quoted claims. The AAU is overblown and the CIC as well. It's sports at the end of the day. Neb will climb up the academic rankings, but in due time. These are big state schools who answer, foremost, to their respective states - not the damn BIG.

Your thoughts on Ky are interesting, as over the years a Ky to the BIG thread occasionally pops up on Rupp Rafters: they do border In, Ill and Ohio. But they succeed more than all other BIG schools at recruiting the hot spots of the BIG footprint, without BIG membership. Their past 3 NCAA titles have included key starters out of either Ill, In or Ohio. Bottom line: they're a charter member of the SEC, which is the 3rd oldest P5 conference. Unlike Md leaving the ACC, they have 20 more years of SEC membership - two decades is a long time to further establish history & as the SEC gets closer to 85 years as a conference - loyalty stands tall. I distinctly remember the backlash most Md fans levied against the decision makers in College Park. Ky has no discontent similar to Md against the SEC. In fact most SEC fans, the homers they are, genuinely depend on Ky basketball to carry the conference.

On the other hand, and I've argued this point on here for a half year: a Ky-Duke killer in basketball is right smack center on this board: UConn. It's UConn that has won the most men's and women's titles the past 30 plus years. More specifically, it's the men's program that has won more titles than any other program in the modern era - but Ky may tie them this year - I hope not.

Correction, UConn is tied with Duke: 4NCs in the modern era. But UConn went through Duke twice to win half their NCs - Ky the other two.
 
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That 2004 UConn-Duke game was a great game...The win against GT in the final erased an earlier loss to GT in the pre season NIT finals.

I actually watched those games..(I usually only watch basketball in March).
 
When Delany says, "We're not focused on expansion right now, we just want to integrate our new additions." that's political speak for 'let's see if we can keep everybody happy so we don't have another mess like the Nebraska/AAU thing.'
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Nothing has changed my opinion that UConn is destined for B1G.

The "mess" was PSU. Delany has acknowledged several times that he did a lousy job integrating them with the Big Ten. It's possible that reverberations from that can still be heard today whenever PSU goes into hyper-paranoia mode.

Wisconsin and Michigan voting to support the already-established guidelines for AAU membership is UConn's ticket in. Much harder to claim that B1G "gets its way" given the ouster of Nebraska.
 
I will say this--for the similarities with Greg Flugaur, my analysis is somewhat different. I think that if the B1G had a do-over, they wouldn't take Nebraska. Although they won't say so publicly, I think they'd be happy to give'em back. (Like PSU, there's a Nebraska contingent clamoring to go back to Texas. Small but vocal.) I think B1G would completely leave the west alone. And I think they're done out west even if Boren calls (although they'd undoubtedly gulp hard).

I won't bore you with my thought processes, but if there's a wildcard at the bottom of the pile, it's this: Kentucky.

Of course, I'm frequently wrong--just ask my wife.

Nebraska gave the B1G one of the big name football programs in the country. Sure they swallowed the academics a bit as Nebraska was kicked out of the AAU almost at the same time. But, the B1G is looking at the long term. They plan to be part of the P4 and are positioning themselves to absorb the gems from whichever of the ACC (UVA, UNC, G Tech, Florida St) or XII (Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas) folds. Adding Nebraksa adds an anchor to add potential XII teams on just as Maryland did for potential ACC teams. As for Nebraska itself, of course they want to be attached to Texas, that's a major recruiting ground for them. But, if the XII does fold, Nebraska will be happy with its former conference mates joining.
 
UVA, UNC to B1G. At which point NCState and FSU bail to SEC. UConn and Cincy replace UVA UNC and UCF and USF replace NCState FSU. The Big East is back baby.
 
TruDomGopher's account rings true. Being a traditional football power is really the only thing Nebraska has going for them. The state population is 1.88 million, the same as West Virginia, so little market for the BTN; little academics; no football recruiting ground, so the football program is likely to fade; no basketball. They really got in to the B1G just a year or two before the new model was proven, and before the B1G had committed strategically to markets, money, and academics. If they had a do-over, they'd surely prefer Missouri (6 million people, AAU) to Nebraska.

There must have been regret at the Nebraska add, that motivated the commitment to markets, money, and academics that led to the East Coast focus and Rutgers/Maryland adds. To what degree this regret was fostered by growth of cable/BTN revenues leading to a greater focus on markets, by increased emphasis on academics, by increased emphasis on national lobbying power and therefore population, or by de-emphasis on football due to concussion/injury and southern recruiting issues, we can only guess.

UConn fits the markets and money criteria and is working on academics. I think UConn to B1G makes too much sense not to happen. But, if the B1G is committed to even numbers of teams and gets opportunities to pick up the best of the ACC or B12, it's possible UConn could be passed over.

One thing I wonder is, who would the B1G prefer, UConn or Kansas? The two are almost identical as universities on all academic and sporting metrics, except that UConn is contiguous to much better markets (New York and Boston) while Kansas is contiguous to potential additions (Oklahoma and Texas). I think the B1G would prefer UConn since growing in size brings costs/risks as well as benefits, while markets are clearly beneficial to all B1G schools. FranktheTank thinks Kansas would be favored.

I think the B12 is on borrowed time and Texas will be out of reach for the B1G, so if the ACC holds together and the B1G doesn't want 15 or 17, it could come down to best 2 out of 3 from UConn, Kansas, Oklahoma. But I think what the B1G really wants is UConn + UVa or Va Tech, and stop at 16.
 
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