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[nelsonmuntz]

I'm just not vested in this. If it happens, fine, if not, I think things are going to get completely upended once FSU figures out a way to leave the ACC.

I know I sound like a broken record, but I don't think any of this is tenable over the long-term. College athletics will have to bifurcate along an open market professional sports model and somehting that resemles amatuer athletics. Most athletic departments indluding most of those in the current P4 are not going to be able to compete or necessarily even want to try to compete given the labor costs involved to attract and retain talent.

I think at some point the market becomes so confusing and restrictive of participation that no one cares anymore, and college fans just watch pro sports. The only way college football survives long-term is revenue sharing, which will defeat all of these conference combinations of the last 20 years. Without it, football will just continue to consolidate, and shrink its market, until no one cares anymore.

 

[superjohn]

I think at some point the market becomes so confusing and restrictive of participation that no one cares anymore, and college fans just watch pro sports. The only way college football survives long-term is revenue sharing, which will defeat all of these conference combinations of the last 20 years. Without it, football will just continue to consolidate, and shrink its market, until no one cares anymore.

Yep, people will stop watching college football and college basketball.

You just repeat the same nonsense over and over for a decade plus now.

 

[GoKU]

UConn being competitive against Maryland would be nice.

 

[bendm]

I think at some point the market becomes so confusing and restrictive of participation that no one cares anymore, and college fans just watch pro sports. The only way college football survives long-term is revenue sharing, which will defeat all of these conference combinations of the last 20 years. Without it, football will just continue to consolidate, and shrink its market, until no one cares anymore.

if your doomsday prophesy comes true and there are only 2 power conferences left with only ~40 schools then i agree. that's enough to maintain regional relevance in the college football obsessed southeast and midwest, but if most of the country has no vested interest then college football will and should die.

HOWEVER the tv networks surely understand this. they clearly want to consolidate as much as possible but only to the extent that they can maximize profits in a sustainable manner. conservatively, i think that means at least 3 power conference's with ~75 schools spread around the country. and that's why we have to get into one of them.

i dont foresee the networks messing with march madness either since they understand the value. but our future bball success is unfortunately tied to sharing football revenue.

 

[AllHusky]

I wonder if Chris Murphy has been wined and dined by UConn the way a potential million dollar donor would be? Where did he go to school? Was he an athlete ever? We certainly need Senator Murphy and his ilk to be on board as we slog through the Bataan Death March of Conference Realignment.

 

[ninety-nine]

I wonder if Chris Murphy has been wined and dined by UConn the way a potential million dollar donor would be? Where did he go to school? Was he an athlete ever? We certainly need Senator Murphy and his ilk to be on board as we slog through the Bataan Death March of Conference Realignment.

I know he went to Williams undergrad (the Little Ivy school in Massachusetts), and then UConn Law School, I'd assume in the late 1990's.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I wonder if Chris Murphy has been wined and dined by UConn the way a potential million dollar donor would be? Where did he go to school? Was he an athlete ever? We certainly need Senator Murphy and his ilk to be on board as we slog through the Bataan Death March of Conference Realignment.

The governors matter a lot more than a Senator.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

if your doomsday prophesy comes true and there are only 2 power conferences left with only ~40 schools then i agree. that's enough to maintain regional relevance in the college football obsessed southeast and midwest, but if most of the country has no vested interest then college football will and should die.

HOWEVER the tv networks surely understand this. they clearly want to consolidate as much as possible but only to the extent that they can maximize profits in a sustainable manner. conservatively, i think that means at least 3 power conference's with ~75 schools spread around the country. and that's why we have to get into one of them.

i dont foresee the networks messing with march madness either since they understand the value. but our future bball success is unfortunately tied to sharing football revenue.

Why would there be 2? Why wouldn't the best programs of each league just break off and form a new one?

 

[AllHusky]

The governors matter a lot more than a Senator.

Sure, but when our US Senator weighs in, you don't think all those folks in B12 turned their heads and listened? Every little bit helps/hurts.

Having a Governor 100% on board can lead to resources and action, the Senator just provides perception to those not in the know.

 

[hank970]

It's so weird to me that the big thing is "UConn needs to commit to spend more on football." Well, what do you think we would do if we had an extra $20 mil per year from our conference? In fact, the best way to quickly improve the football program is to give us a full or partial share up front.

Of course, an extra $20 million would be nice, but that's not the way it works. It appears that, for now, the B12 might be interested in UConn for its basketball product and is willing to pay for that. It's less likely that it (or any conference) would shell out a full share of revenues up front with the hope that a prospective member might improve a diminished football product. Before UConn gets a full share, the B12 would want to see some evidence of sustained commitment to and improvement of Huskies football. If the B12 extends an invitation for UConn basketball to come aboard in 2026, then the football clock starts ticking down to 2031. Could UConn meet the challenge? It seems that at least a few B12 members have their doubts.

To paraphrase JFK, a realistic B12 stance might be "Ask not what we can do for UConn; ask instead what UConn can do for us."

 

[Hondo 77]

Part of UConn’s problem is the perception that they will always be there if you want them.

 

[bendm]

Why would there be 2? Why wouldn't the best programs of each league just break off and form a new one?

They could but there’s absolutely no way of knowing until it happens. Regardless My point was it can’t be too consolidated and exclusive ie at least 75 teams, otherwise they will alienate a vast majority of the fanbases. Again, I think the tv networks are aware of that even if the conferences aren’t.

 

[Hoophound]

They could but there’s absolutely no way of knowing until it happens. Regardless My point was it can’t be too consolidated and exclusive ie at least 75 teams, otherwise they will alienate a vast majority of the fanbases. Again, I think the tv networks are aware of that even if the conferences aren’t.

You get to a point where one or two leagues just isn’t that interesting to a lot of people. It disenfranchises too many fans.

 

[Stinger92860]

You get to a point where one or two leagues just isn’t that interesting to a lot of people. It disenfranchises too many fans.

Just like the NFL. I’m joking, I agree with you.

 

[Dizzy21]

These people are stupid.

The AAC adds were just as poor as us before they got Big 12 checks.

Cinci and UCF were consistently winning 10+ games in the years before the invite. In the 3 full years prior to the invite, UCF lost a total of 4 games. In 2020, when we were not playing, Cinci went undefeated regular season, barely lost to Georgia and ended up the 8th ranked team in the country. In 2019 and 2018 they were both ranked top 25. In 2017 UCF was ranked 6th, with votes for 1st after going undefeated and beating Auburn in the Peach bowl. Cinci was good enough to go to the playoffs just after they got the invite, with a team built prior to even knowing they were getting the invite.

Those schools became major college football programs well before receiving the checks and then got invited.

 

[amory]

Part of UConn’s problem is the perception that they will always be there if you want them.

Think unfortunately that’s proving to be more than a perception

 

[noeynox]

Cinci and UCF were consistently winning 10+ games in the years before the invite. In the 3 full years prior to the invite, UCF lost a total of 4 games. In 2020, when we were not playing, Cinci went undefeated regular season, barely lost to Georgia and ended up the 8th ranked team in the country. In 2019 and 2018 they were both ranked top 25. In 2017 UCF was ranked 6th, with votes for 1st after going undefeated and beating Auburn in the Peach bowl. Cinci was good enough to go to the playoffs just after they got the invite, with a team built prior to even knowing they were getting the invite.

Those schools became major college football programs well before receiving the checks and then got invited.

It was period where those programs were ramping up and we were doing the opposite. From the outside it looked like they wanted to shut it down.

 

[CL82]

You get to a point where one or two leagues just isn’t that interesting to a lot of people. It disenfranchises too many fans.

I know, right? It's totally kill the NFL.

 

[Hoophound]

I know, right? It's totally kill the NFL.

I meant to write conferences. lol.

 

[jostar1]

Flugaur says that it's not over and won't be over even if the Presidents vote against it this year. He says it's going to carry over into 2025. The reason it may carry over is because we are a piece of the Allstate and private equity deals and those aren't settled yet. He says the dance is between the Big 12, Fox and UConn.

He goes over the latest Dennis Dodd story. He says Allstate and private equity firms value markets.

Fox doesn't want to devalue their Big East contract, but he says Fox is asking a lot of the Big 12. Fox wants to play football on non-traditional nights. Fox is asking for a lot from the Big 12. Flugaur says that Yormark is willing to deliver for Fox but UConn has to be part of the deal. He says that Yormark has had deep discussions with Fox. Ultimately, Flugaur doesn't think UConn will be voted in this year, but the story will continue next year.

He says that UConn losing to Maryland does not affect their value. Same with FSU.

He says that the story with the Big 12 is much bigger than just UConn. If UConn joins, it is part of a much bigger story.

 

[mikeinmanila]

Flugaur says that it's not over and won't be over even if the Presidents vote against it this year. He says it's going to carry over into 2025. He says the dance is between the Big 12, Fox and UConn.

He goes over the latest Dennis Dodd story. He says Allstate and private equity firms value markets.

Fox doesn't want to devalue their Big East contract, but he says Fox is asking a lot of the Big 12. Fox wants to play football on non-traditional nights. Fox is asking for a lot from the Big 12. Flugaur says that Yormark is willing to deliver for Fox but UConn has to be part of the deal. He says that Yormark has had deep discussions with Fox. Ultimately, Flugaur doesn't think UConn will be voted in this year, but the story will continue next year.

He says that UConn losing to Maryland does not affect their value. Same with FSU.

He says that the story with the Big 12 is much bigger than just UConn. If UConn joins, it is part of a much bigger story.

Thanks for the synopsis...

 

[Kolumbo]

Flugaur says that it's not over and won't be over even if the Presidents vote against it this year. He says it's going to carry over into 2025. The reason it may carry over is because we are a piece of the Allstate and private equity deals and those aren't settled yet. He says the dance is between the Big 12, Fox and UConn.

He goes over the latest Dennis Dodd story. He says Allstate and private equity firms value markets.

Fox doesn't want to devalue their Big East contract, but he says Fox is asking a lot of the Big 12. Fox wants to play football on non-traditional nights. Fox is asking for a lot from the Big 12. Flugaur says that Yormark is willing to deliver for Fox but UConn has to be part of the deal. He says that Yormark has had deep discussions with Fox. Ultimately, Flugaur doesn't think UConn will be voted in this year, but the story will continue next year.

He says that UConn losing to Maryland does not affect their value. Same with FSU.

He says that the story with the Big 12 is much bigger than just UConn. If UConn joins, it is part of a much bigger story.

This is great. Perpetual moving goal posts and perennial CR rumblings. The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[jostar1]

This is great. Perpetual moving goal posts and perennial CR rumblings. The gift that keeps on giving.

I agree. Nothing with UConn and realignment is ever easy.

 

[Hamms30]

This is great. Perpetual moving goal posts and perennial CR rumblings. The gift that keeps on giving.

I mean, this thread is 1000 pages long and has been active for 11 years.

 

[Kolumbo]