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[dayooper]

That not what tv people say about FCS games. We’ll see what happens with the math. This is more likely to happen with the ACC first.

Doesn’t matter if it’s against an FSC, MAC, CUSA or a power conference team, that 9th home game brings in millions of dollars for the top schools. Michigan hasn’t played an FCS school since 2009 when they played UMass, who was FCS at the time. It’s not who they play, it’s that it’s a home game.

Just as a reference, student tickets are about $20 a game. If all the tickets were student tickets, Michigan would bring in over $2.1 million in ticket sales alone. Some of the Michigan stadium seats are sold from the university for over $500. That’s a lot of money to lose. This does not include concessions, merchandise and alcohol sales. Going to 10 games probably would lose Michigan money. I’m not saying they wouldn’t agree to it, but it would have to be a huge increase in media rights money to offset the difference.

 

[Vowelguy]

Doesn’t matter if it’s against an FSC, MAC, CUSA or a power conference team, that 9th home game brings in millions of dollars for the top schools. Michigan hasn’t played an FCS school since 2009 when they played UMass, who was FCS at the time. It’s not who they play, it’s that it’s a home game.

Also, folks come to campus, buy stuff, have a good time watching a blowout, donate to the university. All sorts of ancillary benefits.

 

[Ldandy]

Doesn’t matter if it’s against an FSC, MAC, CUSA or a power conference team, that 9th home game brings in millions of dollars for the top schools. Michigan hasn’t played an FCS school since 2009 when they played UMass, who was FCS at the time. It’s not who they play, it’s that it’s a home game.

Just as a reference, student tickets are about $20 a game. If all the tickets were student tickets, Michigan would bring in over $2.1 million in ticket sales alone. Some of the Michigan stadium seats are sold from the university for over $500. That’s a lot of money to lose. This does not include concessions, merchandise and alcohol sales. Going to 10 games probably would lose Michigan money. I’m not saying they wouldn’t agree to it, but it would have to be a huge increase in media rights money to offset the difference.

Another issue that needs to be taken into consideration is the loss of revenue that would be experienced by the communities where these schools are located. One less weekend of full hotels, bars, restaurants, and shops would be a serious economic impact to a town like State College that counts on this revenue between August and November. From a network perspective it's a no brainer. Obviously, they would prefer to broadcast more games like USC v. Michigan, PSU v. UW, or OSU v. UO as opposed to games featuring Arkansas State, Marshall, or Ohio. That said how do you address the ripple effect a loss of a home game causes?

 

[ZooCougar]

Another issue that needs to be taken into consideration is the loss of revenue that would be experienced by the communities where these schools are located. One less weekend of full hotels, bars, restaurants, and shops would be a serious economic impact to a town like State College that counts on this revenue between August and November. From a network perspective it's a no brainer. Obviously, they would prefer to broadcast more games like USC v. Michigan, PSU v. UW, or OSU v. UO as opposed to games featuring Arkansas State, Marshall, or Ohio. That said how do you address the ripple effect a loss of a home game causes?

Let’s cry a river for these schools that ONLY get 8/9 home games.

 

[Exit 4]

Doesn’t matter if it’s against an FSC, MAC, CUSA or a power conference team, that 9th home game brings in millions of dollars for the top schools. Michigan hasn’t played an FCS school since 2009 when they played UMass, who was FCS at the time. It’s not who they play, it’s that it’s a home game.

Just as a reference, student tickets are about $20 a game. If all the tickets were student tickets, Michigan would bring in over $2.1 million in ticket sales alone. Some of the Michigan stadium seats are sold from the university for over $500. That’s a lot of money to lose. This does not include concessions, merchandise and alcohol sales. Going to 10 games probably would lose Michigan money. I’m not saying they wouldn’t agree to it, but it would have to be a huge increase in media rights money to offset the difference.

Look, different conf have different problems. In the ACC and elsewhere these non conf games, particularly the FCS games are a drag.

 

[Patman]

It could be worth another $2-5 million cash increase per team per year to your media contract to swap your FCS game with an in conference game. When we get to the point where the schools are paying players directly I think the FCS games get cut for more cash. We arent there yet, but not hard to see it coming 5-10 years out. Its college football, traditions are hardly sacred!

That isn't how it works. They'll just play one less against an FBS member of alternative stature.

 

[Exit 4]

That isn't how it works. They'll just play one less against an FBS member of alternative stature.

The conversation around the SEC going from eight to nine in conf games is indicative of where this is all headed in the long run; the search for more revenue.

SEC again considering nine-game league schedule weighing revenue, College Football Playoff access

The SEC has yet to find a reason to increase its league schedule, but two factors could change the conference's mind

www.cbssports.com

Btw, Here is Jim Delaney on going to nine from a quote in 2011:

Big Ten to use 9-game league schedule in 2017

The Big Ten will use a nine-game conference schedule in football beginning in the 2017 season, the league announced Thursday.

www.espn.com

"We can't expect people to attend games the way they have and grow the attendance," Delany said, "without giving them the best we can possibly give them."

FCS games could be on the table in a few more years.

 

[UConnJim]

The conversation around the SEC going from eight to nine in conf games is indicative of where this is all headed in the long run; the search for more revenue.

SEC again considering nine-game league schedule weighing revenue, College Football Playoff access

The SEC has yet to find a reason to increase its league schedule, but two factors could change the conference's mind

www.cbssports.com

Btw, Here is Jim Delaney on going to nine from a quote in 2011:

Big Ten to use 9-game league schedule in 2017

The Big Ten will use a nine-game conference schedule in football beginning in the 2017 season, the league announced Thursday.

www.espn.com

"We can't expect people to attend games the way they have and grow the attendance," Delany said, "without giving them the best we can possibly give them."

FCS games could be on the table in a few more years.

Michigan's football ticket revenues per game are about $8 million and that doesn't include all the ancillary revenues. I would think it is really hard to give up a home game. Besides, the BTN needs content and they throw the lower tier games on the the network which is a paid channel and not really dependent on ratings.

One big factor that will come into the decision to increase the number of conference games is W/L records. I'm still not sold on the idea that the P2 school fans will be happy with more losses due to playing harder schedules. Increasing the number of conference games will make the issue worse.

 

[kibblesnbits]

Another issue that needs to be taken into consideration is the loss of revenue that would be experienced by the communities where these schools are located. One less weekend of full hotels, bars, restaurants, and shops would be a serious economic impact to a town like State College that counts on this revenue between August and November. From a network perspective it's a no brainer. Obviously, they would prefer to broadcast more games like USC v. Michigan, PSU v. UW, or OSU v. UO as opposed to games featuring Arkansas State, Marshall, or Ohio. That said how do you address the ripple effect a loss of a home game causes?

People seem to forget that those big games are only interesting because those teams expect to win 9-12 games each year. They play most of their non-league games to fatten up their record, rarely playing more than one actually challenging non-conference opponent. It's also why they keep teams like Rutgers and Vandy around for an occasional easy in-conference win. It gives the team a break but ensures a strong record. Would anyone get all that excited about that PSU v. UW game if it was a matchup of two 6-5 teams?

In theory they could create a league of just the top 20 teams in the country. It would be really exciting for a year or two but eventually fans will stop showing up (or stop watching) when their team that previously could virtually guarantee a finish of 8-4 or better is now coming in at 4-8.

 

[jostar1]

 

[jostar1]

 

[Patman]

People seem to forget that those big games are only interesting because those teams expect to win 9-12 games each year. They play most of their non-league games to fatten up their record, rarely playing more than one actually challenging non-conference opponent. It's also why they keep teams like Rutgers and Vandy around for an occasional easy in-conference win. It gives the team a break but ensures a strong record. Would anyone get all that excited about that PSU v. UW game if it was a matchup of two 6-5 teams?

In theory they could create a league of just the top 20 teams in the country. It would be really exciting for a year or two but eventually fans will stop showing up (or stop watching) when their team that previously could virtually guarantee a finish of 8-4 or better is now coming in at 4-8.

I think its far more likely the NCAA allows a 13th game

 

[CJasmer]

Look, different conf have different problems. In the ACC and elsewhere these non conf games, particularly the FCS games are a drag.

Only three schools in the ACC average more than 70k per game. Those three schools are FSU, Clemson and ND. Outside those three schools the rest of the ACC is nothing like SEC or BIG.

 

[CashewCrew]

Kobe, Cincinnati was 3-9 in their first Big 12 football season including 1-8 in the Big 12 (last place), you haven't made the NCAA men's basketball tournament since 2019, haven't made the women's NCAA basketball tournament since 2003, and have made the NCAA baseball tournament once since 1974. Sure, you are in a good conference, but Cincinnati hasn't proved that they can be competitive in the Big 12

 

[CJasmer]

Only three schools in the ACC average more than 70k per game. Those three schools are FSU, Clemson and ND. Outside those three schools the rest of the ACC is nothing like SEC or BIG.

Correction I should have said 77k.

 

[jostar1]

 

[Exit 4]

Almost surreal that this looney bin account finally lands on the square many, perhaps most, on this board have been at for a long while now. SEC doesn't want/need redundancy and the B1G cares about school profile along with every other box (instead only caring about winning).

But this account maybe wishcasting on what ESPN will do with that ACC contract extension. All ESPN has to do is make an offer around $30 million per team per annum. Without a material delta between the B12 and ACC contracts, there wont be enough room to financially justify a lateral move.

 

[billybud]

AAU...future or wishful thinking..

 

[Ldandy]

FSU and Clemson leaving The ACC for The Big 12 feels like dumping your smart 6 of a wife for a slightly better looking slightly wealthier 7 who lives across the country. I mean you could do it but why? Especially at the cost of the divorce.

 

[Hoophound]

FSU and Clemson leaving The ACC for The Big 12 feels like dumping your smart 6 of a wife for a slightly better looking slightly wealthier 7 who lives across the country. I mean you could do it but why? Especially at the cost of the divorce.

The B12 pays a bit more, but a steady diet of K State and ISU is not what FSU and Clemson are looking for.

 

[billybud]

The B12 pays a bit more, but a steady diet of K State and ISU is not what FSU and Clemson are looking for.

The Big 12 doesn't even pay more when you factor in the ACCN revenue..and the Big 12 has no conference network.

 

[jostar1]

 

[billybud]

This year will see the opening of the media wars...and the non P2 will not be happy.

The media giants will use their bandwidth to promote their main properties. The new P2 will be really squeezing the time slots starting with the 2024 season.

It will be the rollout of the FOX vs ESPN wars. FOX and ESPN will have their separate run of games every Saturday (noon, 3:30, evening time slots). For the first time in quite some time, ESPN has no B10 inventory. ESPN/ABC will heavily feature their SEC property...including their buying of the SEC Game of the Week.

Beginning in 2024, ABC will air an SEC game every week, including a regular late-afternoon kickoff, and will have the option to feature an SEC game on ABC's Saturday Night Football for the first time.

NBC will have Notre Dame as a lead in game before their new property, the Big Ten Game of the Week which holds a prime time slot.

The media value of every non p2 school is going to drop simply because of lack of access to the best cable channels at the best time slots. Of course this was always true, but the number of best time slots is not increasing but the number of teams - and good match ups - has gone up for the P2. And their networks are paying more than before. It's just arithmetic providing more focus on the issue.

JMHO...

 

[Kolumbo]

This year will see the opening of the media wars...and the non P2 will not be happy.

The media giants will use their bandwidth to promote their main properties. The new P2 will be really squeezing the time slots starting with the 2024 season.

It will be the rollout of the FOX vs ESPN wars. FOX and ESPN will have their separate run of games every Saturday (noon, 3:30, evening time slots). For the first time in quite some time, ESPN has no B10 inventory. ESPN/ABC will heavily feature their SEC property...including their buying of the SEC Game of the Week.

Beginning in 2024, ABC will air an SEC game every week, including a regular late-afternoon kickoff, and will have the option to feature an SEC game on ABC's Saturday Night Football for the first time.

NBC will have Notre Dame as a lead in game before their new property, the Big Ten Game of the Week which holds a prime time slot.

The media value of every non p2 school is going to drop simply because of lack of access to the best cable channels at the best time slots. Of course this was always true, but the number of best time slots is not increasing but the number of teams - and good match ups - has gone up for the P2. And their networks are paying more than before. It's just arithmetic providing more focus on the issue.

JMHO...

We talk about contracts and GOR and media deals. The ACC programs are locked into the ACC because of the GOR. To me it seems the ACC and espn are not holding up their ends of the contracts. if what you laid out is true, then the ACC programs are being shafted because espn is not providing the media coverage expected. There has to be something to this.

 

[Forte]

Is he joking? How old is he to sound like he is near end of life?