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No Syracuse schadenfreude?

Beaner said:
Based on what I observed in chat, I was sure there’d be a thread on this. After taking a peek at their board, I’m overwhelmed with gratitude for the state of our program. This may be sacrilege, but I kinda feel bad for their fan base. What an unmitigated mess.
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I honestly wasn’t aware of it. I don’t really follow Canadian basketball.
 
August_West said:
Love the thread, hate the suckacuse, but don’t the takes on Syracuse “ selling their soul” for ACC. We would’ve given a left nut to do the same. Let’s be honest. I love how we’ve ended up, but Syracuse going to ACC has nothing to do with their downfall. It was right move for them and would’ve been right move for us at the time if afforded the opportunity.
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Agreed. I often wonder if we had gone to the ACC instead of Louisville, if it would have helped both our program and Pitt and Syracuse to have a solid northeast contingent with former strong rivalries. Ironically, us joining may have helped BC too.
 
August_West said:
Love the thread, hate the suckacuse, but don’t the takes on Syracuse “ selling their soul” for ACC. We would’ve given a left nut to do the same. Let’s be honest. I love how we’ve ended up, but Syracuse going to ACC has nothing to do with their downfall. It was right move for them and would’ve been right move for us at the time if afforded the opportunity.
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Appreciate the honesty. Some folks act like that hurts.
 
LwrcasefaN said:
Appreciate the honesty. Some folks act like that hurts.
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Oh there’s no doubt that it was a good move financially for the program. Of course there’s also no doubt that it left them out on an island without any natural rivals. Syracuse thrived in the outstanding basketball conference at the old Big East was. It’s tough to feel bad for them now, given that they had a hand in killing it.
 
Syracuse has a chance to be fine once they get rid of Boeheim. They have resources, tradition, tv access, etc. There's no reason to believe they can't get back to a power position. Of course, they may not. It's hard to follow a legend and I don't think that Syracuse is legendary enough to automatically guarantee its future success.

That said, who gives a crap about their future, their finances, their conference. They suck. Let's enjoy it. Their fan base certainly took enough pleasure in UConn's struggles. I love that they are miserable!
 
CL82 said:
Oh there’s no doubt that it was a good move financially for the program. Of course there’s also no doubt that it left them out on an island without any natural rivals. Syracuse thrived in the outstanding basketball conference at the old Big East was. It’s tough to feel bad for them now, given that they had a hand in killing it.
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Don't disagree at all. Hard choices, but I understand them as well. Money is the straw that stirs the drink.
 
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LwrcasefaN said:
I like winning as much as anyone, but as a CT taxpayer, it would be nice if it came at a cheaper expense. I'm certain those who pay the tuition would agree with this. We all know...this whole conference thing is about revenue. I can't argue with any school's decision to secure its financial future...because as much as I like sports, the priority has to be securing the financial integrity of an educational institution. Both can be achieved.
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As a CT taxpayer and fan, we made the right decision.
 
Chuck said:
Syracuse has a chance to be fine once they get rid of Boeheim. They have resources, tradition, tv access, etc. There's no reason to believe they can't get back to a power position. Of course, they may not. It's hard to follow a legend and I don't think that Syracuse is legendary enough to automatically guarantee its future success.

That said, who gives a crap about their future, their finances, their conference. They suck. Let's enjoy it. Their fan base certainly took enough pleasure in UConn's struggles. I love that they are miserable!
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As @AuRevoirAAC mentioned earlier in this thread it's close to a 7-10 year rebuild. Whomever replaces Boeheim will need 2-3 years to overhaul roster and get the talent level to mid-ACC talent. Then, you hope that coach can then coach those players. History says you never want to be the first to replace a legend. So, now you are 3-4 years past Boeheim, you had the first coach who doesn't work out and now you need a coach who is available and willing to take on the next stage of the rebuild.

Other than a large football field they play on, there isn't any inherent draw to SU.
 
LOL, so this thread made me go over to their board… “It’s gold Jerry pure gold!”

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August_West said:
Love the thread, hate the suckacuse, but don’t the takes on Syracuse “ selling their soul” for ACC. We would’ve given a left nut to do the same. Let’s be honest. I love how we’ve ended up, but Syracuse going to ACC has nothing to do with their downfall. It was right move for them and would’ve been right move for us at the time if afforded the opportunity.
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This. The Cuse plummet into irrelevance is much more about a delusional coach who is way past his prime and holding the school hostage for his own ego than it is about them being in the ACC. In a hypothetical world in which Boeheim stepped down and they had brought in a Nate Oats from Buffalo a handful of years ago, I have no doubt they would be a competitive team. They're now in a situation where they're not going to be able to pick an opportune time and instead will have to just pray that a) there is a good option available when Boeheim's last grandchild finishes up his senior year as their starting PG, and b) that there are no better jobs also looking at the same time. Going to be a long bumpy ride and my god am I here for it.
 
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Rico444 said:
As a CT taxpayer and fan, we made the right decision.
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I'm confused. What decision did UCONN make? They never wanted to go to the ACC? They weren't annoyed that BC blocked them? Come on, folks...I get the bravado around backing your favorite sports team, but that's where I draw the line. And I am absolutely okay...if folks feel UCONN turned out ok in the end...for whatever reason. BUT...40 million dollars suggests some things did not turn out alright. I get the nostalgia, the rivalries, or whatever other intangibles that you can come up with, and the joy of "winning"...but, let's look at outcomes. You can suck in the ACC...and not go broke OR you can rejoice about the current or past BE...and face financial hardships. SU chose the money. Not mad at them...whether they suck or not.
 
August_West said:
Love the thread, hate the suckacuse, but don’t the takes on Syracuse “ selling their soul” for ACC. We would’ve given a left nut to do the same. Let’s be honest. I love how we’ve ended up, but Syracuse going to ACC has nothing to do with their downfall. It was right move for them and would’ve been right move for us at the time if afforded the opportunity.
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And it is still true today! Sadly they might be better if UConn was in the ACC as all for the former BE traitors would indeed have a natural rival in UConn, as I believe UConn's presence would make them better. They have no true rivals in the ACC, just fodder for the southern schools.
 
LwrcasefaN said:
I'm confused. What decision did UCONN make? They never wanted to go to the ACC? They weren't annoyed that BC blocked them? Come on, folks...I get the bravado around backing your favorite sports team, but that's where I draw the line. And I am absolutely okay...if folks feel UCONN turned out ok in the end...for whatever reason. BUT...40 million dollars suggests some things did not turn out alright. I get the nostalgia, the rivalries, or whatever other intangibles that you can come up with, and the joy of "winning"...but, let's look at outcomes. You can suck in the ACC...and not go broke OR you can rejoice about the current or past BE...and face financial hardships. SU chose the money. Not mad at them...whether they suck or not.
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I get the fact that you want to hijack this thread away from Syracuse’s current suckiness, but give it a rest. We get your point Syracuse sold itself for money. So do whores. The economic justification is the same in both cases. Cash in exchange for loss of self respect. It is what it is.
 
LwrcasefaN said:
I'm confused. What decision did UCONN make? They never wanted to go to the ACC? They weren't annoyed that BC blocked them? Come on, folks...I get the bravado around backing your favorite sports team, but that's where I draw the line. And I am absolutely okay...if folks feel UCONN turned out ok in the end...for whatever reason. BUT...40 million dollars suggests some things did not turn out alright. I get the nostalgia, the rivalries, or whatever other intangibles that you can come up with, and the joy of "winning"...but, let's look at outcomes. You can suck in the ACC...and not go broke OR you can rejoice about the current or past BE...and face financial hardships. SU chose the money. Not mad at them...whether they suck or not.
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They made a decision to go to the Big East and pretty much end any (small) chance they had at moving to a big time conference. Admittedly, I'm sure they would've chosen to go to the ACC or Big Ten if it were offered to them, but I think we all know that invite was never coming.

I'm just happy they're here in the Big East rather than languishing in the ACC with basically one rival and a bunch of games that people wouldn't get juiced for. That was my main point. I'm a fan, and as a fan I want them to be as good as possible. They're going to be able to recruit much better players in the Big East than they would having to sell a southern conference to kids.
 
Beaner said:
Based on what I observed in chat, I was sure there’d be a thread on this. After taking a peek at their board, I’m overwhelmed with gratitude for the state of our program. This may be sacrilege, but I kinda feel bad for their fan base. What an unmitigated mess.
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Their fan base hates our program. I've never had hate for Cuse but I sure as he|| don't feel bad in the slightest for the fans on their forum.
 
Greedo said:
Agreed. I often wonder if we had gone to the ACC instead of Louisville, if it would have helped both our program and Pitt and Syracuse to have a solid northeast contingent with former strong rivalries. Ironically, us joining may have helped BC too.
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Nothing can help BCU
 
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CL82 said:
I get the fact that you want to hijack this thread away from Syracuse’s current suckiness, but give it a rest. We get your point Syracuse sold itself for money. So do whores. The economic justification is the same in both cases. Cash in exchange for loss of self respect. It is what it is.
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Um...if they didn't suck I wouldn't have said...they suck. Trust me...it wasn't that difficult to say. SO..Syracuse was a better whore than UCONN? That wasn't my point, but you created the analogy. Accuse me of hijacking whatever you want. Been done. Not impressed. The reality is...schools should be loyal to their needs first...not a conference. Switching conferences didn't make Syracuse an average team. Since Carmelo left...while they were still in the BE...it's not as if they were some perennial threat. AND...neither was UCONN. So, given that reality...TAKE THE MONEY.
 
I don’t relish kicking those nose-pickers that much. They have always sucked in their own special way, even when winning. The pricks up in Boston on the other hand think their great when their high water mark about 35 years ago, but lacked the balls to compete with us in the ACC and kept us out.
 
nomar said:
Their fan base hates our program. I've never had hate for Cuse but I sure as he|| don't feel bad in the slightest for the fans on their forum.
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I don't hate them, but the freaking Karma of watching them take so much joy in our struggles at the end of the Ollie era and realignment, where we were clearly going to sink into irrelevance according to them, only to see them suffer what looks like it will be an even worse and much longer fate is just so sweet.

mrw GIF
 
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I think we've moved past schadenfreude to indifference. Richmond's been on this board often lately. Isn't he the last recruit Cuse beat us out of? Heh.

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LwrcasefaN said:
I'm confused. What decision did UCONN make? They never wanted to go to the ACC? They weren't annoyed that BC blocked them? Come on, folks...I get the bravado around backing your favorite sports team, but that's where I draw the line. And I am absolutely okay...if folks feel UCONN turned out ok in the end...for whatever reason. BUT...40 million dollars suggests some things did not turn out alright. I get the nostalgia, the rivalries, or whatever other intangibles that you can come up with, and the joy of "winning"...but, let's look at outcomes. You can suck in the ACC...and not go broke OR you can rejoice about the current or past BE...and face financial hardships. SU chose the money. Not mad at them...whether they suck or not.
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To be fair to UConn, COVID has had a pretty big negative impact on finances. There were no football games in 2020. The 2019/2020 basketball season got cut short with no BE or NCAA Tournaments. And, the 2020/2021 basketball season had reduced attendance. And, the lack of games impacted media revenues as well.

Fortunately, athletic donations are up substantially since the move to the Big East although donations can be for capital projects as well as operations:

2016: $8.5 million
2017: $12.4 million
2018: $10.4 million
2019: $14.4 million
2020: $26.4 million
2021: $21.4 million
 
LwrcasefaN said:
I like winning as much as anyone, but as a CT taxpayer, it would be nice if it came at a cheaper expense. I'm certain those who pay the tuition would agree with this. We all know...this whole conference thing is about revenue. I can't argue with any school's decision to secure its financial future...because as much as I like sports, the priority has to be securing the financial integrity of an educational institution. Both can be achieved.
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I'm with this guy. If I'm a Syracuse fan and my team is several games below .500 and just got steamrolled by a dog____ Pitt team in front of about 12 fans and my geriatric coach has prioritized showcasing his sons (one of whom is probably not good enough to play high major division 1) over winning games and has alienated our 5 star freshman who will probably transfer I am nonetheless thrilled because of the revenue generated by virtue of the association with the ACC. i SeE tHe BiG pIcTuRe. wInNiNg!

This just reads like someone who wants to sound like they've figured it out and all the people who are primarily concerned with what happens on the court and whether or not their team puts out an enjoyable, entertaining product are just rubes.

And who is a fan of both Syracuse and UConn? Maybe when you have so much wisdom to see the big picture and only look at the financials that's an easier thing to pull off?
 
CL82 said:
I get the fact that you want to hijack this thread away from Syracuse’s current suckiness, but give it a rest. We get your point Syracuse sold itself for money. So do whores. The economic justification is the same in both cases. Cash in exchange for loss of self respect. It is what it is.
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No need to throw sex workers under the bus.
 
August_West said:
Love the thread, hate the suckacuse, but don’t the takes on Syracuse “ selling their soul” for ACC. We would’ve given a left nut to do the same. Let’s be honest. I love how we’ve ended up, but Syracuse going to ACC has nothing to do with their downfall. It was right move for them and would’ve been right move for us at the time if afforded the opportunity.
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While this is true, in the present, 'cuse fans have only their helm's trophies and ACC money to prop up their arguments that they have the better program. It's the only hill that they have to die on now. Our has 4 flags at the top and is trending towards another one. rings > $$$ for us fans.
 
Rico444 said:
They made a decision to go to the Big East and pretty much end any (small) chance they had at moving to a big time conference. Admittedly, I'm sure they would've chosen to go to the ACC or Big Ten if it were offered to them, but I think we all know that invite was never coming.
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LOL we were all begging to go to the Big12 just 3 years ago.
 
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