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New PAC-12 Forming

ZooCougar said:
False. The MWC would have milked them along leaching as much of that buyout money as possible and then let them join.

I don't blame the PAC 12 at all.



Not so much true with the PAC 12. As I said above the MWC play was to take as much of that PAC 12 warchest as possible and tried to take advantage. The MWC deserves this pain.
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You may be right about the PAC and having to pay the MWC. But at least it would have been a better overall approach without all the poaching and lawsuits. I'll bet the cost would have been lower in the end. And if they really wanted to keep as much as possible, they could have formed an agreement with the MWC programs to vote to dissolve the MWC and bring them all into the PAC. There would have been ways for the PAC to not fudge it all up.
 
It was a master-class in overplaying your hands by both the Pac-2 & MWC. The MWC thought they had the Pac-2 locked in and tried to tighten the screws. The Pac-2 made it's first move and thought, the AAC teams were going to easily push into their league to the point they didn't make a competitive offer on the buy outs (or even to do for what would've been additional founding members what they did for the first four). As a result both failed to meet their goals (MWC to secure the reverse merger (or even a direct merger)) and the Pac-2 failed in their goal to build the clear "best of the rest" conference.
 
ScottVib said:
It was a master-class in overplaying your hands by both the Pac-2 & MWC. The MWC thought they had the Pac-2 locked in and tried to tighten the screws. .
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You’re assuming everyone in the MWC wanted a deal. SDSt/Fres/Boise/ColSt may have pushed for an exorbitant price exactly so it would fail and they could get away from Wyoming/Hawaii/etc
 
I don't think it's completely out of the question that a full merger happens. If it doesn't happen, I think we're in for football only. Wonder if something will happen today.
 
WrenchFan69 said:
I don't think it's completely out of the question that a full merger happens. If it doesn't happen, I think we're in for football only. Wonder if something will happen today.
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20 minutes
 
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WestCoastHusky said:
New Pac-12's contract for new members.

boisedev.com

Term sheet outlines Pac-12 deal for Boise State, others including lock-in, WSU/OSU rights, more - BoiseDev

BoiseDev has obtained the term sheet between the Pac-12 conference and a set of four Mountain West members signed earlier this month that would have the schools join Oregon State and Washington State in the league. The document outlines the high-level terms of the membership, including locking...
boisedev.com boisedev.com
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Thanks for posting that link! The GOR is set to expire on June 30, 2031.

"if any schools opt out of joining the conference on July 1, 2026, they would have to pay liquidated damages of $30 million or $40 million, depending on which conference that school joined instead."

"Pac-12 schools cannot leave to a non-A4 (Big 12, ACC, SEC, or Big Ten) conference or go independent before the GOR is up. If a school wants to leave after the June 30, 2031 date, it must give at least a year’s notice and will have to pay a fee of three times the amount the school received from the Pac-12 the preceding year."
 
This is a good interview with the Memphis AD. He's only been at Memphis for two months. He said that the PAC offered $2.5 million to offset exit fees, which they estimated to be $25 million based on SMU. Two PAC schools (guess who) were going to keep all of the money from the college football playoff distribution. Travel costs were going to be $2.5 million. He said it was a bad deal for Memphis.

Asked whether he had discussions with the Big East, he said he talks to everyone.

 
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Forte said:
I like how the national media is stating that the PAC12, who was consumed by the other Power Leagues, is an example of Ego and the problem with college football's mess...
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It’s really unbelievable isn’t it? Actually half of the people on this realignment board think this.
 
jostar1 said:
This is a good interview with the Memphis AD. He's only been at Memphis for two months. He said that the PAC offered $2.5 million to offset exit fees, which they estimated to be $25 million based on SMU. Two PAC schools (guess who) were going to keep all of the money from the college football playoff distribution. Travel costs were going to be $2.5 million. He said it was a bad deal for Memphis.

Asked whether he had discussions with the Big East, he said he talks to everyone.

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I’m not watching that. Just wondering how it is Memphis expects to collect Playoff Checks from two conferences.

Everyone has their hand out.
 
Forte said:
I like how the national media is stating that the PAC12, who was consumed by the other Power Leagues, is an example of Ego and the problem with college football's mess...
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He didn’t say other moves were smart, he said this was the dumbest. Hard to disagree.
 
Forte said:
I like how the national media is stating that the PAC12, who was consumed by the other Power Leagues, is an example of Ego and the problem with college football's mess...
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given all the things going around in all 50 directions I'm finding it hard to disagree... MWC wants 30 million to continue a scheduling alliance. You have rumors that the PAC wanted to give WSU/OSU all of Memphis's share if they wanted to join... etc etc etc
 
Patman said:
given all the things going around in all 50 directions I'm finding it hard to disagree... MWC wants 30 million to continue a scheduling alliance. You have rumors that the PAC wanted to give WSU/OSU all of Memphis's share if they wanted to join... etc etc etc
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Wait.

You think it’s reasonable that the PAC 12 should have to pay $30M for the privilege of playing MWC schools and they don’t get TV money and aren’t members of the conference?

Really?
 
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Forte said:
I like how the national media is stating that the PAC12, who was consumed by the other Power Leagues, is an example of Ego and the problem with college football's mess...
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Not sure about ego myself, but two rules have governed most of CR.

1. Do unto others as was done to you.
2. Do unto others, but whine when it is done to you.

I think this is what the PAC-MW fight is about, and isn’t working well for either at this point. This specific event isn’t the problem regarding college athletics, but a symptom of what has been going on for 20+ years.

Also, I believe there is a third rule specifically regarding UConn.
 
cellocgg said:
The waiting is the most agonizing part. It's like with the B12, we hear a bunch of news, a meeting with the presidents occurs and then ... nothing for weeks

Here we go again with the Pac
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I assume the delay is prioritization of finding that 8th full member, then getting a reassessed tv value by the consultants to pitch Gonzaga and once onboard they could get UConn football into the fold (if it’s still being considered). But that 8th full member is most important to be an FBS conference followed by the Zags for basketball profile. That first piece is taking longer than they probably hoped.
 
ZooCougar said:
Wait.

You think it’s reasonable that the PAC 12 should have to pay $30M for the privilege of playing MWC schools and they don’t get TV money and aren’t members of the conference?

Really?
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point. Both sides miscalculated. The way I see it, OSU and WSU were left behind but were in a far better position than UConn which ended up as an Independent. The PAC 2 received a ton of money and retained the PAC brand. I think the MWC could ask for whatever it wants and the PAC 2 could accept it or reject it. If $30 million is too high, go get indie schedules just like UConn does. I'm not sure what the alternative PAC plan was anyway to keep the PAC alive. It would have to poach or merge eventually.

From the Chris Vannini Article
"The reason is simple: The top schools wanted to drop the dead weight. The problem is, the plan didn’t work, and now they’ll compete over adding the same kind of schools they wanted to avoid in the first place. All because everyone is too stubborn and prideful to admit they misjudged the situation."

"Here, we’re making strange moves for … what? A slight tick up in TV money? Trying to avoid a few of the lowest-regarded schools?"
 
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Vowelguy said:
You’re assuming everyone in the MWC wanted a deal. SDSt/Fres/Boise/ColSt may have pushed for an exorbitant price exactly so it would fail and they could get away from Wyoming/Hawaii/etc
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You think that SDSU, Fresno, Boise, and CSU engineered a split of the MWC that will cost them $15MM a piece, plus another $43MM of Pac 2 money that goes to the MWC, rather than just go back to the existing MWC schools and demand an unequal revenue split, which UNLV and Air Force were able to do?

Wouldn't it have been better to just get the Pac 12 schools to buy into the MWC, which they showed they were willing to do, and split the buy-in unequally, which the MWC schools showed they were willing to do?

No, let's go with your plan.
 
ZooCougar said:
Wait.

You think it’s reasonable that the PAC 12 should have to pay $30M for the privilege of playing MWC schools and they don’t get TV money and aren’t members of the conference?

Really?
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What part of both....

both wrong for different things and im glad you understand that
 
Forte said:
I like how the national media is stating that the PAC12, who was consumed by the other Power Leagues, is an example of Ego and the problem with college football's mess...
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The P4 will just look at what they did as helping the Pac-12.
 
Patman said:
What part of both....

both wrong for different things and im glad you understand that
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Nah. PAC 12 is behaving quite rationally here. And I am glad they aren’t playing the victim.
 
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