New Big East Deal Could Be Worth As Little As $60 Million A Year

[Carl Spackler]

Carl - you can believe that if you like but it wasn't working. It was never going to work because it's ridiculous at face value to anyone who isn't blinded by loyalty to a member school.

I mean seriously - UConn needs a conference that has proper values? Please tell me what conference that is

I will let you in on a secret. The whole ****ing world except for the Boneyard women's basketball board understands the only thing that matters is football.

It should have been the big east, which is why I can't be in the same room with Mike Tranghese. I'd hit him harder than anyone or anything I've hit in my life. The big east should be the conference that's dictating the future of college athletics now, not the big 10.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I honestly dont know where I fit into your post Pudge.

I want, what's been missing in these woods, for a long, long time.

A major, intercollegiate athletic league, in the northeast.

That's all. UConn - should be part of it.

 

[whaler11]

It should have been the big east, which is why I can't be in the same room with Mike Tranghese. I'd hit him harder than anyone or anything I've hit in my life. The big east should be the conference that's dictating the future of college athletics now, not the big 10.

Did Mike Tranghese keep Penn State out of the Big East?

 

[Pudge]

Did Mike Tranghese keep Penn State out of the Big East?

Everyone's fingerprints are on that.

 

[Adios]

It should have been the big east, which is why I can't be in the same room with Mike Tranghese. I'd hit him harder than anyone or anything I've hit in my life. The big east should be the conference that's dictating the future of college athletics now, not the big 10.

The B1G is next in line after the Ivy League. There's not much else to say.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Everyone's fingerprints are on that.

Not Connecticut. Not Syracuse. Not Boston College.

 

[zls44]

You know, I'm not going to act like Pudge and say I'm perfect. I was in the "why expand the stadium when it isn't consistently selling out" camp until all this. Now? Nope. Expand the bastard to 55,000. Who's paying for it, is my main concern- but make no mistake, I am full-on the other way and in favor of expansion. Absolutely willing to admit I was wrong on that.

 

[whaler11]

Seems like there are more Two-Faced posts here than the Batman series.

You want the truth: look in that mirror. We did not advance in this Conference Realignment. The very same people on this board that are whining about the Payout per team (and crapping on new schools) are the same set of people here who argue that we couldn't build another 12,000 seats when Rutgers & Louisville. We don't travel to Bowl Games ... or Away games. We don't have a 60 year name like Pitt or Syracuse. We are not Bigtime in Football ... and we are suspect at the moment in Hoop. Even if we had super-Paul with an 8-4 record this year ... our profile is just tough in this environment for the ACC. And Markets? I actually think WE have a good story over the next 10 years. But, not nearly that of Rutgers. And ... WE WIN ... we have a department (of its size) that really truly is pretty damn good. And, I do think our Girls Hoop is special - a Cash Flowing entity.

whaler is right ... it doesn't matter if it is $4 or $6 or $8. The comparable for the B1G is rumored to be $40m. What the hell do you think is going to happen as you get to that variance? That is ugly.

1. And ... this BS about cheering on the Dodds & McMurphys as they gloat at this imbalance is unseemly.

2. And KNOCKING Herbst? (and/or Warde Manual) There doesn't seem to be any rational substance in where that is going. Given the way the cards are falling, either could have been a wonderful Salesperson ... and we wouldn't have gotten the votes this time in the ACC.

I hear the argument about the stadium. But let's say they expanded - it would have been empty and that would have been used against UConn last round.

I also agree that some of the Manuel and Herbst stuff is crap - people like Waylon can say UConn was the favorite and Louisville sold themselves - but that wasn't the case. Florida State had all the juice and Florida State wanted Louisville over UConn - it was that simple.

To your point #1 people aren't cheering on bad news - they are lashing out against those who tried to put a positive spin on where the Big East was going.

 

[whaler11]

My argument on the stadium consistently was it wasn't worth discussing because it wasn't going to happen.

I was laughing today standing next to a sign that was proclaiming a site a future station on the idiotic busline - maybe I'm wrong but the state government is hopeless. That the state university is screwed as of today isn't really surprising - it's really the only outcome I would expect.

 

[Pudge]

zls ... where --- did you get the impression that I was near perfect? Refuted regularly. You'll grow some humility as you get older too.

I was just thinking ... the Syracuse folks hated the re-constituted league in 2004. I think UConn fans would have been thrilled if we stayed in that construct for the next 30 years. That's part of this ... isn't it? You simply cannot keep anything set for more than a nanosecond.

Tulane & ECU are thrilled; others are nauseated. My response to whaler ... you simply cannot go through life ALWAYS grabbing the negative. I simply won't accept the notion that never upgrading out of the Yankee Conference wasn't the right move. We are just going to have to do what Susan says: we win & we keep winning (NCs would be nice); we will get noticed.

 

[whaler11]

Is there a single person against the upgrade? I don't think there is a single person who thought Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would have a soft landing while UConn didn't.

I am much more realistic about what UConn is than many around here - but even I never thought it would be this bleak.

We are down to three schools left in the cold - UConn, USF and Cinci. Had you told me 10 schools got left out I wouldn't have been surprised if UConn was in that group. One of three schools left out - it seems impossible.

 

[Dann]

cincy and uconn right now are def "left out" but its not a sure thing that usf should be considered a team that is left out.

 

[whaler11]

cincy and uconn right now are def "left out" but its not a sure thing that usf should be considered a team that is left out.

Well there are three teams that spent the last half decade in an AQ league who haven't been promoted to at least the ACC. If you'd like to debate if USF is 'left out' knock yourself out. They were in and now they aren't. That they put bad teams on the field doesn't matter.

 

[Dann]

Well there are three teams that spent the last half decade in an AQ league who haven't been promoted to at least the ACC. If you'd like to debate if USF is 'left out' knock yourself out. They were in and now they aren't. That they put bad teams on the field doesn't matter.

ok, then temple fits the list. they were in years ago then droped out and then joined again only to watch the big east die more.

temple still has a long road to go to get into a bcs conf
usf will never be in the sec and the acc is only if fsu and miami leave. thats the only light for them
uconn and cincy bring things to the table and fit the bcs leagues big boy status potentially.

 

[whaler11]

ok, then temple fits the list. they were in years ago then droped out and then joined again only to watch the big east die more.

temple still has a long road to go to get into a bcs conf
usf will never be in the sec and the acc is only if fsu and miami leave. thats the only light for them
uconn and cincy bring things to the table and fit the bcs leagues big boy status potentially.

Temple fits the list of teams that were in an AQ conference the last half decade? Thanks for the history lesson though - I was unaware of who has been in the Big East over the years.

USF will never be in the ACC unless FSU leaves? Guess what neither will UConn.

 

[Pudge]

I have been looking at this on a "Valuation" basis ... using Aresco's terms.

I believed that Louisville & Rutgers BOTH were better Values than us. I'd love to think our excellence in Hoop gains something; it hasn't. Further, though, BYU is probably the clear most Valuable NON-Big 4 Asset. Market, Q Rating, Eyeballs. UCF is not quite that far from USF. And, Boise is really a wonderful story. Add San Diego State with a HUGE future.

So ... in OUR unwashed toy box, it is not just us & Cincy. (and in the IN list are a whole lot of Syracuse/BC/Wake/Vandy/Mississippi State that fell into it) That's 7. Sucks to be there; but, that's where we are.

Then layer this thought into it (after the Election we just went through), where are you going to bet on the future of the Sport & Eyeballs as the demographics change? These are 10+ year Contracts; but, I think there is too much leakage of good product outside the Big 4 conferences. Anomalies.

 

[Dann]

Temple fits the list of teams that were in an AQ conference the last half decade? Thanks for the history lesson though - I was unaware of who has been in the Big East over the years.

USF will never be in the ACC unless FSU leaves? Guess what neither will UConn.

fsu or miami would block another fl team. that was what i was getting at. if uva went to the b10 2moro the acc would need another team. i would think uconn and cincy would be top of that list for example....not that it matters cause were going big10....

 

[whaler11]

I don't get why a few posters here think San Diego State is so promising. Nothing in the sporting history of the city of San Diego leads you to believe they will ever matter even locally.

 

[whaler11]

fsu or miami would block another fl team. that was what i was getting at. if uva went to the b10 2moro the acc would need another team. i would think uconn and cincy would be top of that list for example....not that it matters cause were going big10....

Right we turned those balloon knots down twice - cant wait to tell them three strikes you are out. I'm aware why USF won't be invited to the ACC. They also blocked UConn - so really USF and UConn are in the same boat.

 

[zls44]

zls ... where --- did you get the impression that I was near perfect? Refuted regularly. You'll grow some humility as you get older too.

I was just thinking ... the Syracuse folks hated the re-constituted league in 2004. I think UConn fans would have been thrilled if we stayed in that construct for the next 30 years. That's part of this ... isn't it? You simply cannot keep anything set for more than a nanosecond.

Tulane & ECU are thrilled; others are nauseated. My response to whaler ... you simply cannot go through life ALWAYS grabbing the negative. I simply won't accept the notion that never upgrading out of the Yankee Conference wasn't the right move. We are just going to have to do what Susan says: we win & we keep winning (NCs would be nice); we will get noticed.

With all due respect: it's...tough not...to...get...the impression that...you think...everything...YOU say...is perfect...from THE STYLE...with which...you convey...YOUR points...

 

[Pudge]

You're just a little . You'll grow up to your own self-involved image someday. I could give a darn why you think you can give stylistic points.

 

[Pudge]

I don't get why a few posters here think San Diego State is so promising. Nothing in the sporting history of the city of San Diego leads you to believe they will ever matter even locally.

Have you watched that campus grow?

Seriously. This ain't just about sports. If a school is a little piddly commuter type school & grows into a massive Institutionally significant campus; you should pay attention. Somethings are just pure inertia. They are going to be relevant because, damn it, they have the size/scale/balls to do it.

I don't think Steve Fischer is that great a coach; nor have they really rang the bell in football. Sometimes, though, you can't ignore when things are just done extraordinarily well.

 

[Fishy]

I don't get why a few posters here think San Diego State is so promising. Nothing in the sporting history of the city of San Diego leads you to believe they will ever matter even locally.

It's become a hobby here - we grab the fifth or sixth best program in a given state and then set about polishing that turd.

Sit tight for next week's installment, "East Carolina, the Sleeping Giant of Pitt County".

 

[ZooCougar]

It's become a hobby here - we grab the fifth or sixth best program in a given state and then set about polishing that turd.

Sit tight for next week's installment, "East Carolina, the Sleeping Giant of Pitt County".

I dont disagree, I think ECU may actually carry its own weight, but the Big East is just looking for warm bodies.

I think it's time UConn, Cincy and USF wake up and smell the coffee. Our investments are at grave risk at this point.

I would hire an exploratory consultant to develop a provisional conference framework, that actually makes sense geographically. Maybe a new football conference is the best path for everyone.

UConn, USF, Cincy, ECU, Temple, UCF, UMass and then gerrymander two more schools based on what is most important.

We might make more money staying in the Big East for Basketball, or if this is going to be all sports, then you cowboy up, bite the bullet and take Memphis. Yuck.

Then you talk to Navy, doubt they would go for it though. But you never know.

The Big East can't add much more quality, we've gone well past he point of diminishing returns, and we're dividing the pie way too much. It might be time to dump this framework.

 

[Pudge]

Frankly, this reminds me of a Shopping Mall convention I attended about 5 years ago in Vegas.

Everyone thought that, IF you had the best mall in the region, that you were golden. I think the future for Malls/Shopping is going to tell you something completely different. Big massive malls are getting ripped to shreds in some DMAs because alternatives are eating their lunch.

You simply cannot tell me that a UCF/USF with 50-60,000 students & massive Institutional growth/development is not going to be something when they grow up. And, then tell me that BC in that little bandbox is always going to be a player. In our years since 2003, we have watched several of our Programs grow tremendously in stature. Rutgers? Look how far those twerps have gone. What seems to bug the majority poster here is Tulane & Memphis types. I can't explain that at all. But, I did love the Pension Fund king who basically told Billionaire Mall Owners that they were lucky to get into the business when they did; but, they better watch their ass.

 

[ZooCougar]

I think that UCF may be more valuable than USF over the long haul. I think they may already have a bigger revenue figure.

But at this point, I think the Big East is a shopping mall that is on life support. Banana Republic and Victoria's Secret moved out to the outdoor shopping district in a gentrified area of downtown. Barnes and Noble is closing down and moving next to the other shopping area next to the new MLS stadium and NASCAR track, but DON'T WORRY, Books A Million is probably coming to take it's place!

 

[whaler11]

Have you watched that campus grow?

Seriously. This ain't just about sports. If a school is a little piddly commuter type school & grows into a massive Institutionally significant campus; you should pay attention. Somethings are just pure inertia. They are going to be relevant because, damn it, they have the size/scale/balls to do it.

I don't think Steve Fischer is that great a coach; nor have they really rang the bell in football. Sometimes, though, you can't ignore when things are just done extraordinarily well.

And people have said the same thing about USF. Tens of thousands of students. Hundreds of thousands of local alumni. True attendance for the last game of season - 17,000.

Kids that go to schools like USF or San Diego State don't become lifelong fans of the program. It's no different than walking through a dorm at Central when the Blue Devils are at home and more kids are watching UConn on TV than at Detrick.

As the TV paydays drift further away for the haves than the have nots - the have nots are going to find it even tougher to compete and grow even less relevant. No one paid attention to San Diego State when they were playing schools that made geographic sense - I don't think some people are grasping just how unattractive these random cross-country games are. With the loss of Rutgers and Louisville this league does not have a single interesting rivalry.

What's the best rivalry - SMU/Houston? Navy/SMU? UCF/USF? Seriously when your best rivalries are the 6th and 7th best programs in Texas or the 3rd and 4th best programs in Florida you've got nothing.

Yes if you DREAM BIG and look at each of these schools in a vacuum you can argue about their upside. Lump them together and there is no catalyst to make them relevant. Nothing short of Pac 12 membership is going to make SDSU matter to anyone but a tiny fraction of people locally.

 

[zls44]

Have you watched that campus grow?

Seriously. This ain't just about sports. If a school is a little piddly commuter type school & grows into a massive Institutionally significant campus; you should pay attention. Somethings are just pure inertia. They are going to be relevant because, damn it, they have the size/scale/balls to do it.

I don't think Steve Fischer is that great a coach; nor have they really rang the bell in football. Sometimes, though, you can't ignore when things are just done extraordinarily well.

Well, I've spent time there, and have several friends who live within a few hundred yards of the campus, and all of us will agree that the SDSU market idea is a fallacy.

You old little .

 

[HuskyHawk]

Don't be an . It was working, and would have worked, had Delaney not torpedoed, both the ACC and the Big East.

On that I disagree. Once WVU, Pitt and Syracuse left there was no possibility of salvaging the league. No league with a coast to coast reach can or will survive. It was never going to work. It won't work.

We survived losing BC, Miami and VT by adding UL, Cinci and USF (and UConn). That wasn't a wash, but it wasn't devastating, mostly because Louisville got Pitino and Cinci built a good football program. But they compounded the mistakes by adding Marquette and DePaul. While Marquette has been good, we needed to prepare to split the FB and BB only schools. Any adds had to be for all sports. Adding TCU and maybe Tulsa or CFU, much earlier would have helped stability.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

One of the frustrating things about this board is that two of the most frequent posters are not just negative, but are openly rooting for UConn to fail.