New Big East Deal Could Be Worth As Little As $60 Million A Year

[Carl Spackler]

Comments from Aresco:

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/20..._2013_conference_games_be_announced_next_week

It's become pretty clear to me that the best sources of info for Big East football news are coming out of the pacific time zone.

The big east football schedule for 2013 will be released next week. I'm quite curious as to whether or not that schedule will be released with or without a media rights deal in place. Me thinks there is going to be a busy weekend ahead of media talks.

I guy can hope right?

 

[freescooter]

That's just ignorant.

This is NOT Bowling or Tennis. (where by the way ... there is a central body too)

Aren't we currently getting about $4 million? Under a $60 million deal we don't do much better. And what does bowling and tennis have to do with anything?

 

[WestCoastHusky]

It's become pretty clear to me that the best sources of info for Big East football news are coming out of the pacific time zone.

The big east football schedule for 2013 will be released next week. I'm quite curious as to whether or not that schedule will be released with or without a media rights deal in place. Me thinks there is going to be a busy weekend ahead of media talks.

I guy can hope right?

No doubt. It seems this Murphy guy out of Boise is way on top of BE stuff than writers out here. We hear nothing out of Courant regarding any of this stuff. CT writers are totally out of the loop regarding the BE conference. The only guy who gives any info is the Jersey guy blog it seems.

If Aresco even get a chance to stabilize this conference, it might have a chance. Unfortunately every time Aresco or the BE tried to do anything, another raid comes before any chance of stabilization. It is what it is.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Aren't we currently getting about $4 million? Under a $60 million deal we don't do much better. And what does bowling and tennis have to do with anything?

Highly doubt the new deal will be this bad even with the new lineup. The market condition alone will drive that much higher.

 

[Pudge]

Aren't we currently getting about $4 million? Under a $60 million deal we don't do much better. And what does bowling and tennis have to do with anything?

Think about it ...

Aren't you (freescooter) and others answering your own question. IF you can get $4m on your own (because of unique local eyeballs & Cable carriage), wouldn't a conglomerate of many UConn's be worth an increment more?

That's why this McMurphy & Dodd are such crap. YOU ARE IN A DEMAND FRENZY ... there is NOT one bidder. There are many. Pac 12 just got a huge deal; which followed the B12 getting big numbers. The English Premier League is up a multiple. So ... I remain leary of this pessimism on that number.

The BIG thing? Well, we just got skunked. If Rutgers & Maryland get $40m per annum & we are at $6m ... where is this going? How does that affect our viability?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

It is worth pointing out that the Pac 12 broadcasts about 1/3 of their football games at 10 pm east coast time, and they get $250MM for 12 teams. 1/3 of their content is virtually worthless east of the Mississippi, and they get that much.

This market is about demand.

 

[Fishy]

The deal will suck monkey nuts.

There may be a demand frenzy, but not for the potluck Aresco's serving.

 

[CL82]

"When you see reports on television and revenue, just ignore it," Aresco said. "We haven't talked to any networks yet about any valuations."
Aresco said the departures of Louisville (to the ACC) and Rutgers (to the Big Ten) created a delay in negotiations as the Big East turned to expansion and grabbed Tulane and East Carolina.
"We just don't know yet" what the television deal will be worth, Aresco said.
Aresco said six networks are interested in obtaining Big East television rights and that several non-traditional entities have also inquired.
"We should start generating valuations fairly soon," Aresco said. "There's still enormous interest in the Big East."

Read more here: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/20...ce_games_be_announced_next_week#storylink=cpy​

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Just keep inviting sh1tty teams in big markets they said!

It will increase the tv dollars they said!

 

[Pudge]

The deal will suck monkey nuts.

There may be a demand frenzy, but not for the potluck Aresco's serving.

What is your standard?

ALL these BY posters are b*tching because it won't be near the $$$ Rutgers or Maryland will get. And, then a full increment down, it won't be near the $$$ that Louisville is going to receive in their first year at the ACC homeshopping&football&ginzuknife channels.

If you are looking at the Variance between A ... and B ... to what Aresco is going to get, then YES: monkey nuts. But, there seems to be a concerted effort by Dodd/McMurphy and lots of our Connecticut posters here to lowball what Aresco's dollars are going to be. Fine ... go ahead & swim in that. Boise is NOT going to go back to the Mountain West ... because? The MWC contract was about $2m & they will get 3times that from Aresco. (did you know we were in trailers not long ago>?)

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The MWC deal is less than $1MM year for all sports and it runs through 2016 or 2017. No one is going back to the MWC.

 

[Pudge]

Just keep inviting sh1tty teams in big markets they said!

It will increase the tv dollars they said!

sure ... you & zls ... we shoulda stayed Yankee Conference.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

sure ... you & zls ... we shoulda stayed Yankee Conference.

You know, there would have been nothing wrong going with the following conference (given the circumstances):

UConn, Cinci, USF, UCF, Temple,Houston, SMU, Boise State (fb-only), San Diego State (fb-only) - 9 teams.

-No dead weight/awful teams, like Memphis, Tulane and ECU.
-4 home games, 4 road games.
-Opens up BE Basketball for more made for tv matchups.

MOST IMPORTANTLY - Without deadweight like Memphis, Tulane and ECU, our PER TEAM PAYOUT DOESN'T DECREASE!

 

[Dooley]

The guy who just won PowerBall could buy 9 seasons of Big East TV programming.

 

[Pudge]

You know, there would have been nothing wrong going with the following conference (given the circumstances):

UConn, Cinci, USF, UCF, Temple,Houston, SMU, Boise State (fb-only), San Diego State (fb-only) - 9 teams.

-No dead weight/awful teams, like Memphis, Tulane and ECU.
-4 home games, 4 road games.
-Opens up BE Basketball for more made for tv matchups.

MOST IMPORTANTLY - Without deadweight like Memphis, Tulane and ECU, our PER TEAM PAYOUT DOESN'T DECREASE!

I think that Marinatto ... and NOW Aresco ... is being pushed towards some of these choices. I don't think 9 really is a good size considering what Boise & SD are going to have to travel & vice versa. And I REALLY DON'T think this Per Team Payout decreases. It just isn't a dilution model that many, including the Dodds of the world, think. It is a Comcast ... a Network concept ... that a NEW market is accretive. Aresco told that Idaho reporter 14 teams with a new Football only out west.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I think that Marinatto ... and NOW Aresco ... is being pushed towards some of these choices. I don't think 9 really is a good size considering what Boise & SD are going to have to travel & vice versa. And I REALLY DON'T think this Per Team Payout decreases. It just isn't a dilution model that many, including the Dodds of the world, think. It is a Comcast ... a Network concept ... that a NEW market is accretive. Aresco told that Idaho reporter 14 teams with a new Football only out west.

Tulane, Memphis, Temple and East Carolina add less value than UConn, Cinci, Boise State and USF. That's a fact.

There is absolutely no way to spin that adding more teams that bring less value, increases the per team payout.

I can SEE maybe getting to 12 adds a championship game that offsets some of the weak teams to an extent.

Going beyond 12 just defies any logic whatsoever.

 

[whaler11]

6 million. 8 million. 10 million. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which one of those numbers it lands on. The outcome is still the same.

 

[junglehusky]

What is your standard?

ALL these BY posters are b*tching because it won't be near the $$$ Rutgers or Maryland will get. And, then a full increment down, it won't be near the $$$ that Louisville is going to receive in their first year at the ACC homeshopping&football&ginzuknife channels.

If you are looking at the Variance between A ... and B ... to what Aresco is going to get, then YES: monkey nuts. But, there seems to be a concerted effort by Dodd/McMurphy and lots of our Connecticut posters here to lowball what Aresco's dollars are going to be. Fine ... go ahead & swim in that. Boise is NOT going to go back to the Mountain West ... because? The MWC contract was about $2m & they will get 3times that from Aresco. (did you know we were in trailers not long ago>?)

If the market value of the Big East contract is in the low end and Dodd/McMurphy are proven right, the result will not be because of Dodd/McMurphy. It will be because the value of the Big East is in reality low and Dodd/McMurphy just happened to be reporting accurately. It will be because the Big East replaced Rutgers with duck*ing Tulane.

If I buy a stock and its price goes down, it's probably not solely because CNBC reported on its price going down.

 

[Fishy]

What is your standard?

ALL these BY posters are b*tching because it won't be near the $$$ Rutgers or Maryland will get. And, then a full increment down, it won't be near the $$$ that Louisville is going to receive in their first year at the ACC homeshopping&football&ginzuknife channels.

If you are looking at the Variance between A ... and B ... to what Aresco is going to get, then YES: monkey nuts. But, there seems to be a concerted effort by Dodd/McMurphy and lots of our Connecticut posters here to lowball what Aresco's dollars are going to be. Fine ... go ahead & swim in that. Boise is NOT going to go back to the Mountain West ... because? The MWC contract was about $2m & they will get 3times that from Aresco. (did you know we were in trailers not long ago>?)

By any reasonable standard, the Big East's television contract will be awful. You can capitalize DEMAND FRENZY to your heart's content, but unfortunately there's no DEMAND FRENZY for what the Big East is offering. It may be heaven for Tulane or East Carolina or whatever other grease fire we're inviting next week, but it's a horror show for networks and a horror show for Connecticut.

No one will want this grease fire for anything other than fire sale pricing. When Aresco says that the Big East has not discussed 'valuations' with anyone, he is being cute - he has and they are dismal.

 

[Carl Spackler]

No doubt. It seems this Murphy guy out of Boise is way on top of BE stuff than writers out here. We hear nothing out of Courant regarding any of this stuff. CT writers are totally out of the loop regarding the BE conference. The only guy who gives any info is the Jersey guy blog it seems.

If Aresco even get a chance to stabilize this conference, it might have a chance. Unfortunately every time Aresco or the BE tried to do anything, another raid comes before any chance of stabilization. It is what it is.

Delaney put some torpedoes broadside into two conferences for Thanksgiving 2012. My hope, is that somebody from UConn has been reading all my crap from the past three years or so, and has managed to put a copy of Roy Kramer's report to the UConn BOT in 1996, on Jim Delaney's desk.

Talking to you - Warde Manuel.

UConn - needs a football conference. Put us in a football conference, and we bring East Coast basketball with us.

 

[Carl Spackler]

What kills me in all of this, that we're living through now, with our beloved alma mater, is that Jim Delaney, and John Toner - sat in the same rooms in the mid 1980s, in front of the United States government, among many other heavy weights in collegiate athletics, discussing the future of college football.

Both were right, in what they said, and thought about the future of college football, and what they saw coming.

I hope we can get back together again, because outside of the Ivy league, which is not accessible by the typical student athlete, or typical student in general.....

I don't see anything in intercollegiate athletics in the near future, even closely resembling what college sports are supposed to be about, than what that northeastern block of the United States land grant schools can deliver in the coming times.

If education, is trully what the money making is supposed to be all about, the big 10, will do what the ACC should have done, and kill the Big East, by absorbing the northeastern market into a football conference.

The big 10, by far, serves the most students than any other confernece, with the size of it's institutions, and the students that go to college. THe money earned through athletics, that is sure to grow - can be used the way it should.

 

[whaler11]

Delaney put some torpedoes broadside into two conferences for Thanksgiving 2012. My hope, is that somebody from UConn has been reading all my crap from the past three years or so, and has managed to put a copy of Roy Kramer's report to the UConn BOT in 1996, on Jim Delaney's desk.

Talking to you - Warde Manuel.

UConn - needs a football conference. Put us in a football conference, and we bring East Coast basketball with us.

You do remember you have been pumping up the NNNNNNNBE and the TV strategy right?

Hopefully they missed that crap!

 

[Carl Spackler]

You do remember you have been pumping up the NNNNNNNBE and the TV strategy right?

Hopefully they missed that crap!

Of course. It's clear, that the strong leadership we've got now, was far too late. I had no idea how badly Tranghese had f(cked the conference. Read what I wrote after that last post whaler, it's a lot more important to where we go in the future.

THe price of a college education for an average American, is out of hand, athletics, can and should be used for good. THe money. UConn, fits into the picture, of an institution, that can use a LOT of athletics money, for the good of delivering good education.

If a true playoff is not to happen any time soon, then we need to fit with a conference that is going to serve the needs of the school, to provide the resources for the educations of the tens of thousands of students that the state flagship admits, and educates.

 

[whaler11]

Of course. It's clear, that the strong leadership we've got now, was far too late. I had no idea how badly Tranghese had f(cked the conference.

While the leadership was never good - it didn't really matter. Once college sports moved in this direction no one could protect or save the Big East. They were always the league with no strength and no leverage. It's just much more obvious now than it was 10 years ago.

BTW there is no evidence that the leadership now is any good. Unless leaking teams like a 78 Nova leaks oil is evidence.

 

[whaler11]

Of course. It's clear, that the strong leadership we've got now, was far too late. I had no idea how badly Tranghese had f(cked the conference. Read what I wrote after that last post whaler, it's a lot more important to where we go in the future.

THe price of a college education for an average American, is out of hand, athletics, can and should be used for good. THe money. UConn, fits into the picture, of an institution, that can use a LOT of athletics money, for the good of delivering good education.

If a true playoff is not to happen any time soon, then we need to fit with a conference that is going to serve the needs of the school, to provide the resources for the educations of the tens of thousands of students that the state flagship admits, and educates.

Hold on. You think that schools are going to use athletics to make education more affordable? Well I guess even Communism can sound good in theory.

And wait - you think UConn's conference affiliation will serve UConn's educational needs? I mean come on - that reads like something Susan would say 10 minutes after she was rejected by another conference.

You pushed for UConn being in a 4 time zone conference - how could that possibly improve the education of the athletes who have to suffer through that travel.

 

[Carl Spackler]

While the leadership was never good - it didn't really matter. Once college sports moved in this direction no one could protect or save the Big East. They were always the league with no strength and no leverage. It's just much more obvious now than it was 10 years ago.

BTW there is no evidence that the leadership now is any good. Unless leaking teams like a 78 Nova leaks oil is evidence.

Whaler, I'm in no mood to argue with you. Read the stuff I wrote. Think about It. Do a search for the transcript of the hearing before the House Subcommittee on College football in 1985. I've posted it before.

I love UConn. This school, took me in when I was lost, and provided me with tools to be what I am today.

I want the sports programs to thrive. I want the school to thrive. I am not alone.

We have needed a conference, that has the proper values when it comes to athletics, revenue streamsn, and academics for a long, long time. The yankee conference worked, for half a century. The Ivy's decided the college football post season was corrupt adn didnt' want a part, and de-emphasized football, and basketball emerged as the dominant east coast sport, and uconn dumped it's 50+ year athletic history to run on the hard court, and did quite well, but if we're going to be a top notch, nationally relevant state flagship institution, we cannot try to be an Ivy, and de-emphasize football, we have to be with a conference that does. This fact, was presented to the UConn Board of Trustees, 16 years ago.

I hope we have leadership, that finally realizes this, I've been doing my best, to make the public aware.

THe big east, now, finally realizes the importance, but is far too late. The ACC, I've never liked. The Big 10 - fits. Joe Paterno, the Ivy league football quarterback, wanted a northeastern league of 1A football schools, after the Ivy's shut it down. THe Big East basketball league prevented it from happening,

I hope, that Jim Delaney, can put Joe Paterno's vision of re-establishing north eastern college football into reality as a division of the big 10 - state schools.

College football, can supercede the NFL in popularity. THe fan bases are too dedicated, too large, and constantly have new members.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Hold on. You think that schools are going to use athletics to make education more affordable? Well I guess even Communism can sound good in theory.

And wait - you think UConn's conference affiliation will serve UConn's educational needs? I mean come on - that reads like something Susan would say 10 minutes after she was rejected by another conference.

You pushed for UConn being in a 4 time zone conference - how could that possibly improve the education of the athletes who have to suffer through that travel.

Don't be an . It was working, and would have worked, had Delaney not torpedoed, both the ACC and the Big East.

 

[mattp]

The Big East seems to be trying to be a poor man's B1G. They figure if they grab as many TV markets as they can the money will follow. The problem is nobody wants to watch Tulane/SDSU regardless of TV market. How can you expect a network to pay for this collection when there's always the underlying fact that at any time your only few valuable teams will be continually filing out the door?

 

[whaler11]

Don't be an . It was working, and would have worked, had Delaney not torpedoed, both the ACC and the Big East.

Carl - you can believe that if you like but it wasn't working. It was never going to work because it's ridiculous at face value to anyone who isn't blinded by loyalty to a member school.

I mean seriously - UConn needs a conference that has proper values? Please tell me what conference that is

I will let you in on a secret. The whole world except for the Boneyard women's basketball board understands the only thing that matters is football.

 

[Pudge]

Seems like there are more Two-Faced posts here than the Batman series.

You want the truth: look in that mirror. We did not advance in this Conference Realignment. The very same people on this board that are whining about the Payout per team (and crapping on new schools) are the same set of people here who argue that we couldn't build another 12,000 seats when Rutgers & Louisville. We don't travel to Bowl Games ... or Away games. We don't have a 60 year name like Pitt or Syracuse. We are not Bigtime in Football ... and we are suspect at the moment in Hoop. Even if we had super-Paul with an 8-4 record this year ... our profile is just tough in this environment for the ACC. And Markets? I actually think WE have a good story over the next 10 years. But, not nearly that of Rutgers. And ... WE WIN ... we have a department (of its size) that really truly is pretty damn good. And, I do think our Girls Hoop is special - a Cash Flowing entity.

whaler is right ... it doesn't matter if it is $4 or $6 or $8. The comparable for the B1G is rumored to be $40m. What the hell do you think is going to happen as you get to that variance? That is ugly.

1. And ... this BS about cheering on the Dodds & McMurphys as they gloat at this imbalance is unseemly.

2. And KNOCKING Herbst? (and/or Warde Manual) There doesn't seem to be any rational substance in where that is going. Given the way the cards are falling, either could have been a wonderful Salesperson ... and we wouldn't have gotten the votes this time in the ACC.