New AAC ESPN Contract Value Poll

[whaler11]

yes



yes



this is the part you left out

i’m not actually that thin skinned but if you are going to attack me... at least be right.

 

[CL82]

i’m not actually that thin skinned but if you are going to attack me... at least be right.

Lol, of you view any difference of an opinion as an "attack" so, maybe you might want to reevaluate that whole I'm not thin skinned thing?

 

[JMick]

i’m not actually that thin skinned but if you are going to attack me... at least be right.

anyone that doesn't agree with CL82 is "thin skinned"

it's his go-to insult

 

[whaler11]

Lol, of you view any difference of an opinion as an "attack" so, maybe you might want to reevaluate that whole I'm not thin skinned thing?

I don’t do any such thing.

However when you were wrong all along, wrong again today, couldn’t even understand what was published today and then still attack me and others WHO WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG... I’m going to point it out.

I can quote it for you if you need to see it. The best part is when you attack people who said there wouldn’t be other bidders but then reverse course and say you never said there would be other bidders.

Your winning position is people who say there was one bidder were SO WRONG, but I won’t claim there is another bidder. Way to take a stand.

 

[CL82]

I don’t do any such thing.

However when you were wrong all along, wrong again today, couldn’t even understand what was published today and then still attack me and others WHO WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG... I’m going to point it out.

I can quote it for you if you need to see it. The best part is when you attack people who said there wouldn’t be other bidders but then reverse course and say you never said there would be other bidders.

Your winning position is people who say there was one bidder were SO WRONG, but I won’t claim there is another bidder. Way to take a stand.

Sure you do. Are you saying you don't even realize it? Lol, that's kind of sad. Your go to move is to attack the intelligence or otherwise assign a pejorative to anyone who disagrees with you. If you want I can point out the next time. We won't have to wait long it's you modus operandi.

Again disagreeing with you isn't "attacking" you, it just disagreeing. You get that that is kind of the point of posting stuff to a message board right?

Okay, I'll take you up this, just to make a point. Show me where in this thread I said " people who say there was one bidder were SO WRONG, but I won’t claim there is another bidder." I'll wait. When you find your quote, be sure to reread it and make sure it says what you think it does. This is one of those times that reading comprehension matters. I'll wait.

Really though, relax. This is boring for me. I'm sure it is for everyone else as well.

 

[whaler11]

Mmm, there are a lot of numbers which are more meh. $8.5M firmly establishes us at the most valuable of the G5. Not where we want to be mind you but better that many predicted.

We've had stormcrows on here for years explaining how the cable cutters had taken all the money of out of media deals and to expect no increase in revenue, and quite possible a decrease. They were wrong.

We've had the business geniuses on here reminding us that without a bidder another bidder, there was no reason for ESPN to increase our deal. They were wrong.

We've had the college sports geniuses telling us to shutter the football program and move to the Dig East because it made a nominal amount more than our old deal. They were wrong.

What this deal does is validate that our current conference, while not where we want to be, is the best option open to us at this time. Most of us knew that. Now we all do.

Sure you do. Are you saying you don't even realize it? Lol, that's kind of sad. Your go to move is to attack the intelligence or otherwise assign a pejorative to anyone who disagrees with you. If you want I can point out the next time. We won't have to wait long it's you modus operandi.

Again disagreeing with you isn't "attacking" you, it just disagreeing. You get that that is kind of the point of posting stuff to a message board right?

Okay, I'll take you up this, just to make a point. Show me where in this thread I said " people who say there was one bidder were SO WRONG, but I won’t claim there is another bidder." I'll wait. When you find your quote, be sure to reread it and make sure it says what you think it does. This is one of those times that reading comprehension matters. I'll wait.

Really though, relax. This is boring for me. I'm sure it is for everyone else as well.

Let’s see.

First you start off with 8.5 million which is the projected full payment including bowls and ncaa credits (and has any league actually met the projections). You’ll say ‘i wasn’t talking about just the media contract’ even though we’ve all been talking about just the media contract all along.

Then you jump to a strawman where people predicted a decrease to due to cord cutting. I don’t remember a single poster claiming the AAC would get a decrease due to cable cutting.

Then we go to sarcastic ‘business geniuses’ (not an attack lol and other people call names and insult intellegence lol) who actually said there was a ceiling because there is one bidder. Shocking the deal had a ceiling and nobody ever came up with even a fantasy bidder. Seems they were more right than the ‘business geniuses’ who screamed about $10 million and no way would they settle in the exclusive period for less.

The Big East geniuses? Lets say the AAC got 6 million. That’s two million more than the Big East and they aren’t losing millions on football - so.... again you made a sarcastic comment on their intellegence.. and they are actually right. Financially UConn would be better off tommorrow if they dropped football and joined the Big East (and that’s with their old contract which doesn’t include UConn’s valuable basketball programs).

Your conclusion is hardly the slam dunk you claim.

Anyway:
1. You attacked those who disagreed with you and insulted their intellegence (which you claim is a no-no!)
2. You either don’t understand the basic facts or intentionally misrepresented them (#sad)
3. Took a victory lap in a situation where you were almost completely and totally wrong in the run-up and in this post

Anyway I know you are super proud of your strawmen and insults but you are consistently and hilariously wrong to a degree that is almost impossible to believe. Stopped clocks cringe in your presense. In light of your record, your arrogance is both puzzling and hilarious.

Edit: Lemme do your response for you.

Feel better now lol. thin skinned strawman. i never said the things you quoted and i never meant any of the things i obviously implied. tell.

 

[whaler11]

If the deal is 6 million or so per team the only way that doesn’t look disgustingly bad is when it’s compared to the old deal which is probably the worst contract in history.

So there you go Team Aresco - it’s a better deal than the worst deal in history. Damn you Bezos. Damn you Elon Musk. Keep smiling Mike!

 

[JeepCSC]

Sure you do. Are you saying you don't even realize it? Lol, that's kind of sad. Your go to move is to attack the intelligence or otherwise assign a pejorative to anyone who disagrees with you. If you want I can point out the next time. We won't have to wait long it's you modus operandi.

Again disagreeing with you isn't "attacking" you, it just disagreeing. You get that that is kind of the point of posting stuff to a message board right?

Okay, I'll take you up this, just to make a point. Show me where in this thread I said " people who say there was one bidder were SO WRONG, but I won’t claim there is another bidder." I'll wait. When you find your quote, be sure to reread it and make sure it says what you think it does. This is one of those times that reading comprehension matters. I'll wait.

Really though, relax. This is boring for me. I'm sure it is for everyone else as well.

Im generally wondering what conversation you think has been going on here. You called out Whaler for being wrong on his doom and gloom picks and specifically mentioned the one bidder thing.

 

[blue93]

Let’s see.

First you start off with 8.5 million which is the projected full payment including bowls and ncaa credits (and has any league actually met the projections). You’ll say ‘i wasn’t talking about just the media contract’ even though we’ve all been talking about just the media contract all along.

Then you jump to a strawman where people predicted a decrease to due to cord cutting. I don’t remember a single poster claiming the AAC would get a decrease due to cable cutting.

Then we go to sarcastic ‘business geniuses’ (not an attack lol and other people call names and insult intellegence lol) who actually said there was a ceiling because there is one bidder. Shocking the deal had a ceiling and nobody ever came up with even a fantasy bidder. Seems they were more right than the ‘business geniuses’ who screamed about $10 million and no way would they settle in the exclusive period for less.

The Big East geniuses? Lets say the AAC got 6 million. That’s two million more than the Big East and they aren’t losing millions on football - so.... again you made a sarcastic comment on their intellegence.. and they are actually right. Financially UConn would be better off tommorrow if they dropped football and joined the Big East (and that’s with their old contract which doesn’t include UConn’s valuable basketball programs).

Your conclusion is hardly the slam dunk you claim.

Anyway:
1. You attacked those who disagreed with you and insulted their intellegence (which you claim is a no-no!)
2. You either don’t understand the basic facts or intentionally misrepresented them (#sad)
3. Took a victory lap in a situation where you were almost completely and totally wrong in the run-up and in this post

Anyway I know you are super proud of your strawmen and insults but you are consistently and hilariously wrong to a degree that is almost impossible to believe. Stopped clocks cringe in your presense. In light of your record, your arrogance is both puzzling and hilarious.

Edit: Lemme do your response for you.

Feel better now lol. thin skinned strawman. i never said the things you quoted and i never meant any of the things i obviously implied. tell.

What’s the breakdown between media money and bowl/tournament credit money currently?

 

[whaler11]

What’s the breakdown between media money and bowl/tournament credit money currently?

based on the article looks like 2 mil/1.4 mil

 

[Slasher]

Just an FYI was reading on the Cincy board from their site owner (and insider):

AAC TV Deal

I wouldn't put much stock in the report out of Memphis. They are in the ballpark on a few things and way off on some others...

 

[CL82]

Let’s see.

First you start off with 8.5 million which is the projected full payment including bowls and ncaa credits (and has any league actually met the projections). You’ll say ‘i wasn’t talking about just the media contract’ even though we’ve all been talking about just the media contract all along.

Then you jump to a strawman where people predicted a decrease to due to cord cutting. I don’t remember a single poster claiming the AAC would get a decrease due to cable cutting.

Then we go to sarcastic ‘business geniuses’ (not an attack lol and other people call names and insult intellegence lol) who actually said there was a ceiling because there is one bidder. Shocking the deal had a ceiling and nobody ever came up with even a fantasy bidder. Seems they were more right than the ‘business geniuses’ who screamed about $10 million and no way would they settle in the exclusive period for less.

The Big East geniuses? Lets say the AAC got 6 million. That’s two million more than the Big East and they aren’t losing millions on football - so.... again you made a sarcastic comment on their intellegence.. and they are actually right. Financially UConn would be better off tommorrow if they dropped football and joined the Big East (and that’s with their old contract which doesn’t include UConn’s valuable basketball programs).

Your conclusion is hardly the slam dunk you claim.

Anyway:
1. You attacked those who disagreed with you and insulted their intellegence (which you claim is a no-no!)
2. You either don’t understand the basic facts or intentionally misrepresented them (#sad)
3. Took a victory lap in a situation where you were almost completely and totally wrong in the run-up and in this post

Anyway I know you are super proud of your strawmen and insults but you are consistently and hilariously wrong to a degree that is almost impossible to believe. Stopped clocks cringe in your presense. In light of your record, your arrogance is both puzzling and hilarious.

Edit: Lemme do your response for you.

Feel better now lol. thin skinned strawman. i never said the things you quoted and i never meant any of the things i obviously implied. tell.

Lol. That’s a whole lot of words to say “oh crap, CL never did say that did he?

 

[whaler11]

Im generally wondering what conversation you think has been going on here. You called out Whaler for being wrong on his doom and gloom picks and specifically mentioned the one bidder thing.

Lol. That’s a whole lot of words to say “oh crap, CL never did say that did he?

 

[whaler11]

Just an FYI was reading on the Cincy board from their site owner (and insider):

AAC TV Deal

I wouldn't put much stock in the report out of Memphis. They are in the ballpark on a few things and way off on some others...

Well they got the documents through FOIA and it’s not a three year deal that’s just what they share at that meeting. That’s part of what we don’t know. It could escalate and improve over the years or it could be for 15 years.

 

[CL82]

Im generally wondering what conversation you think has been going on here. You called out Whaler for being wrong on his doom and gloom picks and specifically mentioned the one bidder thing.

Actually I didn’t call out Whaler specifically. I made a general comment about posters who had a lot of negative thoughts about what our deal would be worth. If the current prediction turns out to be correct they were wrong. For whatever reason that put a bee up whaler’s bum.

If you go back and look at that post you’ll see that it doesn’t say that there would not be more than one bidder rather it says that having just one bidder didn’t cause us to get her contract renewed at the same or lower rate. Pretty sure whaler knows that now, otherwise he would have included that quote in his posts. You can go back and take a look if you’re curious though.

 

[zls44]

how about that local sports team

 

[whaler11]

Actually I didn’t call out Whaler specifically. I made a general comment about posters who had a lot of negative thoughts about what our deal would be worth. If the current prediction turns out to be correct they were wrong. For whatever reason that put a bee up whaler’s bum.

If you go back and look at that post you’ll see that it doesn’t say that there would not be more than one bidder rather it says that having just one bidder didn’t cause us to get her contract renewed at the same or lower rate. Pretty sure whaler knows that now, otherwise he would have included that quote in his posts. You can go back and take a look if you’re curious though.

yeah your entire quote is included and you are still inventing people saying the contract was staying the same or decreasing. have you found those posts yet champ?

 

[JeepCSC]

Lol, I suppose I could I do a search of every time you predicted that there was no more money to give us, no other bidders, etc, but let's wait and see what the deal actually is. There will plenty for to whine about, I'm sure.

This was a post you did in response to whaler. You specifically called him out for not believing in other bidders.

 

[Palatine]

[QUOTE="I wouldn't put much stock in the report out of Memphis. They are in the ballpark on a few things and way off on some others... [/QUOTE]

One thing it does, it puts a number out that is a decent number. That's a good thing. I would believe that sets the bar for bidding.

 

[SubbaBub]

So, it's a deal that won't significantly change the league's financial, exposure, or prestige disadvantages. It does nothing to help UCONN halt it's drift into irrelevance. In essence, they get nothing they needed and in 2023, half the league will attempt to latch on to a new league by any means necessary. I'm not convinced UConn will be one of the programs to put forward that kind of commitment.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

So, it's a deal that won't significantly change the league's financial, exposure, or prestige disadvantages. It does nothing to help UCONN halt it's drift into irrelevance. In essence, they get nothing they needed and in 2023, half the league will attempt to latch on to a new league by any means necessary. I'm not convinced UConn will be one of the programs to put forward that kind of commitment.

I'm still waiting on the details, but I pretty much agree and think everything you say will be true.

I love UConn football, but if we're not going to commit to even trying to compete in the AAC it doesn't make sense to continue to half rear end it.

If by 2023 we're still in the basement of AAC football, don't get a P5 invite (lol), it may be time to call up the Big East and at least ensure hoops survives.

 

[CL82]

This was a post you did in response to whaler. You specifically called him out for not believing in other bidders.

Fair enough. With due respect that wasn't so much"calling him out" as much as noting that those were the types of posts he was making for last year or so. Where he and I differ is that he thought that the lack of bidders would result in no increase over the current deal. That turned out to be wrong.

 

[CL82]

If by 2023 we're still in the basement of AAC football, don't get a P5 invite (lol), it may be time to call up the Big East and at least ensure hoops survives.

That's exactly what this deal appears to be about keeping the AAC viable through the end of the next conference realignment window. If the there is no CR then ESPN will offer up a new deal that likely will require a GOR from conference members. That's a guess but the pieces fit.

Agree though CBH it's pointless to talk about it until the details come out.

 

[whaler11]

Fair enough. With due respect that wasn't so much"calling him out" as much as noting that those were the types of posts he was making for last year or so. Where he and I differ is that he thought that the lack of bidders would result in no increase over the current deal. That turned out to be wrong.

cl posted multiple times that the deal would be 75 million a team and would be so lucrative that Uconn would pass up the big ten begging uconn to join.

guy really missed the mark

 

[CL82]

cl posted multiple times that the deal would be 75 million a team and would be so lucrative that Uconn would pass up the big ten begging uconn to join.

guy really missed the mark

Hahaha, man you must really be hung over. This is weak sauce even for you. Chuckle.

 

[bobbyinaz]

[QUOTE="I wouldn't put much stock in the report out of Memphis. They are in the ballpark on a few things and way off on some others...

One thing it does, it puts a number out that is a decent number. That's a good thing. I would believe that sets the bar for bidding.[/QUOTE]

What bidding? The deal is done

 

[whaler11]

As I said in the other thread I think the per team number is around $6MM which lets Aresco & the AD's taut the fact that they got a 300% increase.

I also think that a good chunk of AAC games will wind up on "The Plus"

6/6.5 I guess

Hahaha, man you must really be hung over. This is weak sauce even for you. Chuckle.

Quoted for you are two examples of good predictions that are mostly right.

Here is an example of another prediction where it’s horribly wrong.

You might want of stop trying to declare victory when you were decimated. Maybe not as bad as you were decimated for years on the CR board - but it’s a pretty weird tact to declare victory in the face of overwhelming defeat. But that’s kinda your crutch.

 

[CL82]

Quoted for you are two examples of good predictions that are mostly right.

Here is an example of another prediction where it’s horribly wrong.

You might want of stop trying to declare victory when you were decimated. Maybe not as bad as you were decimated for years on the CR board - but it’s a pretty weird tact to declare victory in the face of overwhelming defeat. But that’s kinda your crutch.

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Lol, over two hundred posts into the thread you made a hedge prediction. Lol, gutsy call. What's even funnier is you are now trumpeting it as if it was a big deal.

FWIW, if you read the thread you'll see that my prediction was $10M, probably within the first 20 posts or so. When we get actually details, let's revisit it. I'm out until halftime.

(Lol at the double screen shot. Having the shakes this morning?)

 

[Hoophound]

I don’t think we can predict much until we hear from our new president. If he is committed to P5 status, we’ll make a strong move to prepare for 2023. If he isn’t, we can’t make the move to the Big East soon enough for me. I do not want to stay in the AAC if we aren’t going to do whatever it takes to get into a P5.

 

[bobbyinaz]

Lol, over two hundred posts into the thread you made a hedge prediction. Lol, gutsy call. What's even funnier is you are now trumpeting it as if it was a big deal.

FWIW, if you read the thread you'll see that my prediction was $10M, probably within the first 20 posts or so. When we get actually details, let's revisit it. I'm out until halftime.

(Lol at the double screen shot. Having the shakes this morning?)

Since I'm now involved (thanks Whaler ), let me try & referee this bout.

The first question is "what is the argument really about?"

I think my quote was replying to the topic of what we thought the new TV deal would be, not what the total revenue received from the conference would be, since these are 2 very different numbers.

Based on the FOIA data from Memphis it looks like the per school rake for incidentals (bowl games, NCAA credits, etc.) is around $1.4MM/year. Since it looks like the hoops side of the conference is trending up & assuming that Aresco finds a few more dollars somewhere in the 50 bowl games that are played every year that number will likely rise some. I think we can safely say that realistically becomes $2-$2.5MM/year.

It appears that based on the info coming from Memphis the actual TV dollars will be in the $6-$6.5MM range but, if you add the additional conference money the actual per school number could be close to the $10MM many are referring to.

I think just about all the "regulars" on the BY knew what the eventual TV contract was going to look like from a dollar perspective. I even believe those who were floating the wild Hulu, YouTube, etc. ideas really understood what reality was, they were just desperate to try & find something to hold on to as we saw former peer schools around us move on.

That's all I got for you. Obviously, $6.5MM is better than $2MM but, it doesn't change our financial position all that much. As much as I hate to say it, I believe UConn will be forced to drop some sports in the near future.