New 2019 UConn Football roster up

[businesslawyer]

It doesn’t seem to work like that in practice. They still run kids off it just costs other kids opportunities.

I didn't say no one gets runs off. But the 25 per year rules serves to reduce the running off that can occur.

 

[UConnJim]

Whaler probably doesn't remember history and how schools can and will use the rules to their benefit to win.

Do you remember Pitt football winning the national championship in 1976? Great team lead by running back Tony Dorsett, but Pitt had been one of the worst football teams in 1972 going 1-10. How did they turn it around?

Pitt hired Johnny Majors, but Pitt had a voluntary agreement with Penn State, Syracuse, and West Virginia to limit scholarships to 25 players per year which was designed to regulate the football programs. One of the first things Pitt did after hiring Majors was to remove the 25 scholarship limit. And, in 1973, schools still had unlimited scholarships, although 1973 was the last year of unlimited scholarships. So what did Majors do? He brought in a recruiting class that was estimated at 76 players (the attached article estimates the class was 65 to 100) and then weeded them out.

With redshirt years, you can currently bring in 125 kids over a 5 year period to make a roster of 85, but you have to manage the roster over time. That should be more than enough kids to make a roster.

The 25 limit really protects the kids as there would be much higher attrition at schools if they were allowed to bring in more than 25 kids a year.

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Glad

Whaler probably doesn't remember history and how schools can and will use the rules to their benefit to win.

Do you remember Pitt football winning the national championship in 1976? Great team lead by running back Tony Dorsett, but Pitt had been one of the worst football teams in 1972 going 1-10. How did they turn it around?

Pitt hired Johnny Majors, but Pitt had a voluntary agreement with Penn State, Syracuse, and West Virginia to limit scholarships to 25 players per year which was designed to regulate the football programs. One of the first things Pitt did after hiring Majors was to remove the 25 scholarship limit. And, in 1973, schools still had unlimited scholarships, although 1973 was the last year of unlimited scholarships. So what did Majors do? He brought in a recruiting class that was estimated at 76 players (the attached article estimates the class was 65 to 100) and then weeded them out.

With redshirt years, you can currently bring in 125 kids over a 5 year period to make a roster of 85, but you have to manage the roster over time. That should be more than enough kids to make a roster.

The 25 limit really protects the kids as there would be much higher attrition at schools if they were allowed to bring in more than 25 kids a year.

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season

So what you're saying is UConn needs to hire Johnny Majors?

 

[whaler11]

Whaler probably doesn't remember history and how schools can and will use the rules to their benefit to win.

Do you remember Pitt football winning the national championship in 1976? Great team lead by running back Tony Dorsett, but Pitt had been one of the worst football teams in 1972 going 1-10. How did they turn it around?

Pitt hired Johnny Majors, but Pitt had a voluntary agreement with Penn State, Syracuse, and West Virginia to limit scholarships to 25 players per year which was designed to regulate the football programs. One of the first things Pitt did after hiring Majors was to remove the 25 scholarship limit. And, in 1973, schools still had unlimited scholarships, although 1973 was the last year of unlimited scholarships. So what did Majors do? He brought in a recruiting class that was estimated at 76 players (the attached article estimates the class was 65 to 100) and then weeded them out.

With redshirt years, you can currently bring in 125 kids over a 5 year period to make a roster of 85, but you have to manage the roster over time. That should be more than enough kids to make a roster.

The 25 limit really protects the kids as there would be much higher attrition at schools if they were allowed to bring in more than 25 kids a year.

Class of ’73 keyed Pitt’s magical season

I’m not 100 years old.

This rule is stupid - I’m not sure what Johnny Majors has to do with.

You have 85 scholarships. You should be able to fill them. Who cares how many were given away in the last 12 months.

The idea this rule is protecting kids doesn’t seem to have any evidence because the roster churn everywhere is growing and has been for years.

The idea that there are kids happy to be stuck in a doghouse with no line of sight for playing time but happy to go through to motions so they dont have to change schools and this rule saves them sounds like utter fantasy.

The market will regulate the behavior better than the NCAA’s pile of rules. LOL at the idea any rules exist for the kids. Every last one exists for the schools which make them.

 

[HartfordHank]

The idea that there are kids happy to be stuck in a doghouse with no line of sight for playing time but happy to go through to motions so they dont have to change schools and this rule saves them sounds like utter fantasy.

You were recruited to play at Alabama and red shirted your freshman year. They brought in two highly recruited players for your position and you are lost on the bench. You either leave to play elsewhere or stay at Alabama, get a degree and go to multiple SEC and National Championships. Take home all of the spoils that those wins provide plus the cache that you were on multiple championship teams at Alabama. You are a lesser legend in Alabama for the rest of your life. Tell everyone how you got into the game to block the edge on the final PAT when Alabama made the score 31 to 14. Not a bad life as you move onto a career in business. I can see it happening!

 

[UConnJim]

The idea this rule is protecting kids doesn’t seem to have any evidence because the roster churn everywhere is growing and has been for years.

What are you talking about? Here is a chart of transfers by sport over the past 15 years. Football transfers (defined as 2 year college to 4 year college and 4 year college to 4 year college) has been relatively stable for 15 years!

 

[LIUCHusky]

it’s the worst team in the country and you don’t think playing down 8 scholarships on day 1 of camp is an issue?

thats some galaxy brain stuff right there

What makes you think it is the worst team in the country?

 

[Exit 4]

What are you talking about? Here is a chart of transfers by sport over the past 15 years. Football transfers (defined as 2 year college to 4 year college and 4 year college to 4 year college) has been relatively stable for 15 years!

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This 25 man rule has only been in place for a few years, I think less than 5. Compared to that chart it doesn’t you show the rule did much to curb a problem- if their was a problem.

I don’t understand why people aren’t bothered that UConn and dozens of other schools will have many unused scholarships yet again this year because of this stupid rule. UConn could be supporting as many as six to eight more kids with a free education. That’s an true unintended consequence if there ever was one.

And how come some of you have lost sight of the fact that hundreds of kids are in the portal right now destine for FCS or lower only because this stupid rule denies them a seat.

The portal has become a nightmare for many kids- many who could be at a new school, but denied a slot because of this silly rule.

 

[UConnJim]

And Whaler, before the 105 scholarship limit was implemented in 1973, schools could have unlimited football scholarships and some schools had up to 150 kids on scholarship! Roster churn was much higher than you see today.

 

[Alum86]

Take a look at the roster bro. Rose is at 248lbs!!!
Donovan Williams is at 240lbs...

Solid improvements

Let’s get them the ball, Randy.

 

[Alum86]

What makes you think it is the worst team in the country?

It pretty much is. We were last year and have only a handful of seniors coming back.
We need all the bodies we can get. Kinda scary going to camp with at least 6 schollys available, no?

 

[UConnJim]

This 25 man rule has only been in place for a few years, I think less than 5. Compared to that chart it doesn’t you show the rule did much to curb a problem- if their was a problem.

I don’t understand why people aren’t bothered that UConn and dozens of other schools will have many unused scholarships yet again this year because of this stupid rule. UConn could be supporting as many as eight more kids with a free education. That’s an true unintended consequence if there ever was one.

And how come some of you have lost sight of the fact that hundreds of kids are in the portal right now destine for FCS or lower only because this stupid rule denies them a seat.

The portal has become a nightmare for many kids- many who could be at a new school, but denied a slot because of this silly rule.

I disagree. Based on history, schools would abuse the rule if they were allowed to sign more than 25 kids per year. If you have 125 potential scholarships over 5 years (redshirts) how can you not have 85 kids on the roster most years? The only way is roster mismanagement.

As for kids in the transfer portal, the vast majority are walk ons who did not get a scholarship at their current school. Then you have kids with issues, don't fit on your team, aren't immediately eligible, etc. Look, Edsall took a freshmen kid from Canada this week instead of taking a kid from the portal. Draw your own conclusion, but it tells me he likes this player more than anybody in the portal.

 

[Husky25]

You were recruited to play at Alabama and red shirted your freshman year. They brought in two highly recruited players for your position and you are lost on the bench. You either leave to play elsewhere or stay at Alabama, get a degree and go to multiple SEC and National Championships. Take home all of the spoils that those wins provide plus the cache that you were on multiple championship teams at Alabama. You are a lesser legend in Alabama for the rest of your life. Tell everyone how you got into the game to block the edge on the final PAT when Alabama made the score 31 to 14. Not a bad life as you move onto a career in business. I can see it happening!

This is fine if the player eventually recognizes that football is a means to an end other than more football but most every single 17 year old signs an LOI with a deep belief that they're name will be called on a Thursday night in mid-April.

Also, Nick Saban is in his mid 70s. There was a time not so long ago (when Saban quit on the Dolphins) that Bama was barely mediocre under Mike Shula.

 

[whaler11]

What makes you think it is the worst team in the country?

mostly the roster and the coaching staff. the usual things that add up to the worst team in the country. although utep or new mexico state or umass could in theory be marginally worse but thats a difference without a distinction.

 

[Exit 4]

I disagree. Based on history, schools would abuse the rule if they were allowed to sign more than 25 kids per year. If you have 125 potential scholarships over 5 years (redshirts) how can you not have 85 kids on the roster most years? The only way is roster mismanagement.

As for kids in the transfer portal, the vast majority are walk ons who did not get a scholarship at their current school. Then you have kids with issues, don't fit on your team, aren't immediately eligible, etc. Look, Edsall took a freshmen kid from Canada this week instead of taking a kid from the portal. Draw your own conclusion, but it tells me he likes this player more than anybody in the portal.

I totally disagree about the portal. There are a bunch of kids out there that totally overplayed their hand. It’s the first year of the portal - and many kids mismanaged themselves.

I couldn’t have a more different point of view. UConn like many other schools will have many unused scholarships (again) and that is helping no one. No one. Especially kids.

 

[whaler11]

And Whaler, before the 105 scholarship limit was implemented in 1973, schools could have unlimited football scholarships and some schools had up to 150 kids on scholarship! Roster churn was much higher than you see today.

well obviously when the rosters had 150 kids here was more churn.

listen you think the ncaa can legislate behavior better than people making their own free decisions. not sure what evidence you’ve ever seen that leads you to that conclusion but whatever people support all kids of dumb rules

 

[Pudge]

It’s College Ball. Ain’t Fantasy gambling football

It’s about Development of kids. And athletic and emotional improvement. UConn - over the last 20 years - has loads of interesting and rewarding stories.

You should be able to fully manage a roster of 105. Yes. I don’t discount walk ons; the ones today are far more productive than those 20 years ago. Heck ... I’m dating myself, but most of my lifetime, the NFL had a 40 man roster. Then Practice Squad. For a more physical game. And longer season.

I don’t think Randy Edsall is severely handicapped when 2 kids get into grades purgatory; he probably likes the lessons taught to the others. And while it’s SAD to see Jeff Woods not work out; we have retained a large number of guys - give we are the WORST team in CFB.

 

[LIUCHusky]

mostly the roster and the coaching staff. the usual things that add up to the worst team in the country. although utep or new mexico state or umass could in theory be marginally worse but thats a difference without a distinction.

I will predict now, that we will be far from the worst team in the nation.

 

[whaler11]

I will predict now, that we will be far from the worst team in the nation.

hope you are right but every sign points the opposite way.

 

[Pudge]

Then


There’s this from West Point, NY

“Army West Point Football Head Coach Jeff Monken has announced a recruiting class of 76 athletes participating in Reception Day at West Point.

The Class of 2023 marks Monken’s fifth full recruiting class and includes players from 25 states.”

 

[huskymedic]

Then


There’s this from West Point, NY

“Army West Point Football Head Coach Jeff Monken has announced a recruiting class of 76 athletes participating in Reception Day at West Point.

The Class of 2023 marks Monken’s fifth full recruiting class and includes players from 25 states.”

Different circumstances w/ the Academies...

>>Navy head football coach Ken Niumatalolo released the names of the 2019 football recruiting class on Thursday evening as 57 prospects representing 22 states went through induction ceremonies and began plebe summer.<<