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NCAA Transfer Rules changing?

Kathy said:
Not saying it shouldn't be for education but how many kids have you heard say I'm transferring because I'm not getting the education I expected. It is usually playing time or better conference
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It's almost like the thing they are most interested in is being educated/trained in the career they hope to pursue... Professional sports
 
intlzncster said:
Sure it does. Now there are no repercussions, so it's risk free for kids. Sitting out a year was a huge deterrent for most.

I'd imagine the back channeling will increase 10 fold. I wonder what the effect on mid semester transferring would be.
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170+ players transferred I doesn't seem like it was a huge deterrent...
 
Kathy said:
Not saying it shouldn't be for education but how many kids have you heard say I'm transferring because I'm not getting the education I expected. It is usually playing time or better conference
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All students have different reasons for transferring.

If I'm on scholarship at UConn to study history and my friend gets into a different school and I want to go to school with them, should I be allowed to transfer? How about if I don't like the food or the dorms or I want to be closer to home?

They should be allowed to attend whatever school they want for whatever reason they want.

Like all other students.
 
Everyone saying this would make the sky fall is hilarious.

We already have mercenary transfers from lower divisions to higher ones without sitting out: Grad transfers. Is this on a different scale? Probably. But how much more?

Humans always overrate the amount or impact of change. Ironically, this is the reason it WON'T be an epidemic. The kids want to live their life and stay with their friends, too. This will prevent the majority of "horizontal" transferring. People that are mad enough about their current situation or hate their teammates/coach already transfer. Plus the high majors will need to have space (and playing time) for lower conference kids. Only those with exceptional skill that were passed over will be "called up", as it were, and many of those players already do transfer up, either sitting out or especially these days as a grad student.

You'll adapt to the new normal, I promise. You'll probably enjoy it. I know I love the grad transfer scouting threads.
 
Penfield said:
It's almost like the thing they are most interested in is being educated/trained in the career they hope to pursue... Professional sports
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Sitting out doesn't prevent them from training and practicing or their "education" as guapo is arguing
 
tcf15 said:
Players should be allowed to transfer freely, but rules need to be in place to keep schools from taking advantage of the process.
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polycom said:
But I thought these are students athletes? Since they are considered to be students treat them like students. If they are athletes, why do they have to do school? If they don't have to do school when do they become employees? etc etc.

Until they are no longer considered students it should be assumed they are transferring schools to better their lives as students.
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Guapo said:
They should be allowed to attend whatever school they want for whatever reason they want.

Like all other students.
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This doesn't make sense. Yes, they are students. Yes, they can transfer any time they want...and still attend class like every other student. There's no repercussions scholastically. Zero difference between them and regular students.

The difference is they get a $200k education for free. In fact, they get an extra year ON TOP of what they already had, for free. So in essence, they get a further advantage from regular students. Heck, They can take this extra time to earn a Masters if they so choose.

Playing D1 sports is a privilege, not servitude. They save an ungodly amount of debt.

Now I do believe players should get some money. But it is important to realize that they are getting effectively $5ok a year right now. If you want to pay them fine, I've no problem with that. They should apply to schools like regular kids and pay their own way.

I still think getting a lump some from merchandising sales which is contingent on them graduating from a legitimate scholastic program (hi UNC) is the way to go.
 
methodology said:
This doesn't make sense. Yes, they are students. Yes, they can transfer any time they want...and still attend class like every other student. There's no repercussions scholastically.

The difference is they get a $200k education for free. In fact, they get an extra year ON TOP of what they already had, for free. So in essence, they get a further advantage from regular students. Heck, They can take this extra time to earn a Masters if they so choose.

Playing D1 sports is a privilege, not servitude. They save an ungodly amount of debt.

Now I do believe players should get some money. But it is important to realize that they are getting effectively $5ok a year right now. If you want to pay them fine, I've no problem with that. They should apply to schools like regular kids and pay their way.

I still think getting a lump some from merchandising sales which is contingent on them graduating from a legitimate (hi UNC) scholastic program is the way to go.
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Right, as would I if I received a full ride to study history at UConn.

Should I be allowed to transfer?
 
Guapo said:
Right, as would I if I received a full ride to study history at UConn.

Should I be allowed to transfer?
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Yeah, you should. And you are. What's stopping you? You don't have to sit out anything. You just might not receive a full scholarship at your new school.

Athletes don't have that problem. Another benefit.
 
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intlzncster said:
This doesn't make sense. Yes, they are students. Yes, they can transfer any time they want...and still attend class like every other student. There's no repercussions scholastically. Zero difference between them and regular students.

The difference is they get a $200k education for free. In fact, they get an extra year ON TOP of what they already had, for free. So in essence, they get a further advantage from regular students. Heck, They can take this extra time to earn a Masters if they so choose.

Playing D1 sports is a privilege, not servitude. They save an ungodly amount of debt.

Now I do believe players should get some money. But it is important to realize that they are getting effectively $5ok a year right now. If you want to pay them fine, I've no problem with that. They should apply to schools like regular kids and pay their own way.

I still think getting a lump some from merchandising sales which is contingent on them graduating from a legitimate scholastic program (hi UNC) is the way to go.
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Then you believe they are employees and the student discussion doesn't apply to you.
 
Penfield said:
Honestly UConn just needs to take advantage of something we offer than almost no other school does... Puppetry major
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What UCONN needs to do is start bending the rules. Shoe money. Gotta be done. If you are playing on an uneven playing field, adjust accordingly.
 
intlzncster said:
Yeah, you should. And you are. What's stopping you? You don't have to sit out anything.

You just might not receive a full scholarship at your new school. Athletes don't have that problem.
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What if another school offers me a scholarship?

(By the way, before anyone attacks this as just a hypothetical, this type of stuff does happen, especially at a post grad level)
 
polycom said:
Then you believe they are employees and the student discussion doesn't apply to you.
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What are you talking about? They're not employees. They aren't receiving cash for their services. They can't choose to spend the money on whatever they want. They can't send money home to their families.

They are receiving an academic benefit. A chance to get an education gratis.
 
Look, people. I really don't think this is going to cause the sky to fall.

Yes, it might be staggering at first, but we'll just recalibrate how we follow recruiting and transfers etc.

It's not worth all this hand wringing.
 
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Guapo said:
What if another school offers me a scholarship?

(By the way, before anyone attacks this as just a hypothetical, this type of stuff does happen, especially at a post grad level)
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Then, as a student, you can transfer, and not have to sit out of taking classes. Exactly the same as an athlete. There's no academic limitation for either group. Hence, academics is prioritized in this manner.
 
polycom said:
170+ players transferred I doesn't seem like it was a huge deterrent...
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170 players is 3.5%~ of college bball players.

The average turnover rate of all industries in the USA is approximately 15%.

So there is a little bit of a deterrent. 15% in college bball would be about 675 players transferring
 
intlzncster said:
Then, as a student, you can transfer, and not have to sit out of taking classes. Exactly the same as an athlete. There's no academic limitation for either group. Hence, academics is prioritized in this manner.
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Hey, you do a much better job arguing your point then some others on here...

I just fundamentally want people to play where they're happiest, especially if they're playing a sport for my entertainment.

Agree to disagree.

In the end, I really don't think this rule change will ruin college sports.
 
intlzncster said:
What are you talking about? They're not employees. They aren't receiving cash for their services. They can't choose to spend the money on whatever they want. They can't send money home to their families.

They are receiving an academic benefit. A chance to get an education gratis.
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In your previous post you said you believe they should get some money...what exactly should they get some money for? If it's for their sports services then you believe they are employees as employees are paid for their services.
 
methodology said:
170 players is 3.5%~ of college bball players.

The average turnover rate of all industries in the USA is approximately 15%.

So there is a little bit of a deterrent. 15% in college bball would be about 675 players transferring
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Not sure why you continue to make these comparisons to industry as these are students and not employees and shouldn't be compared to people who are paid for their services as their motivations are different.
 
Guapo said:
Hey, you do a much better job arguing your point then some others on here...

I just fundamentally want people to play where they're happiest, especially if they're playing a sport for my entertainment.

Agree to disagree.

In the end, I really don't think this rule change will ruin college sports.
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I'm not in disagreement with the 'go where they are happiest' point. I also think college athletes in a couple sports should probably get some compensation for the money they generate, if it's done in the right way (ie tied to graduation).

That said, I don't think they are as exploited as much as everyone says. Let's say a D1 soccer player goes and gets a free education somewhere. Is he being exploited? How so? The basketball player is in the exact same situation as the soccer player. Why is it that he is then considered to be exploited?

RE what it will do to the sport. Ultimately none of us really know. But I do think that the potential lack of loyalty will make me enjoy the sport less. It's hard to root for anybody when you can't get attached to players. I would hate to be a fan of one and done teams. Who gives a crap if Marvin Bagley plays one year and leaves? He's just a hired gun.
 
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methodology said:
If you want to pay them then they are responsible for paying tuition, room, board, books, all the free clothing, etc...

They are literally given about $200k (room, board, tuition, food, top line training, clothing, free things from tournaments, tickets, etc) if they stay 4 years and have free marketing and ability to increase their social/ network following and have the resources from playing to be set up nicely with jobs after playing because of boosters, etc.

I do believe they should get a part of merchandise sales
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They should also be able to sell their likeness or sell any gear they get from this if they do desire.

I hate Ohio st but trading gear for tattoos is kind of a silly crime.
 
intlzncster said:
I'm not in disagreement with the 'go where they are happiest' point. I also think college athletes in a couple sports should probably get some compensation for the money they generate, if it's done in the right way (ie tied to graduation).

That said, I don't think they are as exploited as much as everyone says. Let's say a D1 soccer player goes and gets a free education somewhere. Is he being exploited? How so? The basketball player is in the exact same situation as the soccer player. Why is it that he is then considered to be exploited?

RE what it will do to the sport. Ultimately none of us really know. But I do think that the potential lack of loyalty will make me enjoy the sport less. It's hard to root for anybody when you can't get attached to players. I would hate to be a fan of one and done teams. Who gives a crap if Marvin Bagley plays one year and leaves? He's just a hired gun.
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We can have the exploitation debate in a different thread, this isn't the time or place for it
 
August_West said:
Yup and basketball players can too. With zero interruption or delay to their studies. It will interrupt their on court eligibility for a year but this is about academics, right?
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Where they play basketball is directly tied to where they attend class, so, yes it is related to academics.
 
Now an AD with money can buy a coach & his roster. Fun.
 
Guapo said:
Where they play basketball is directly tied to where they attend class, so, yes it is related to academics.
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So they can immediately attend class while they dont play hoops a year. Thats a good thing, right?
 
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