NCAA To Announce Preliminary Seedings Monday.

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Haha y'all could use a major rebranding. How about "Wolfpack State"? :cool:
It's ridiculous. My senior year, our women's bowling club team advanced to nationals in Denver. As statistician for both bowling clubs, I got to go watch. I still have the program from the national finals, in which we were labeled as 'The North Carolina Wolfpack'. (BTW...our team finished 12th out of 12 at nationals...but it was exciting to see our ladies advance that far.)

This problem has been around since I was a child. Despite branding efforts for all athletic teams to be referred to as NC State, we still get referred to as North Carolina a lot!
 
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I don't understand what happened to quality win's and bad losses, UConn should still be a 1. 2 losses. Both to what are top 3 teams and both on the road. Big wins against ND (away) and SC (home). Look at Miss St.'s wins and losses. How are they given to be better?
 
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I don't understand what happened to quality win's and bad losses, UConn should still be a 1. 2 losses. Both to what are top 3 teams and both on the road. Big wins against ND (away) and SC (home). Look at Miss St.'s wins and losses. How are they given to be better?
First of all, the committee decided their "reveal" seedings before the UConn-SC game.

UConn had the edge on a comparison of best wins, and I expected that to put them just ahead of MSU. But maybe the committee looked at the next batch of wins as the decisive factor. No doubt that MSU's wins over SC, Kentucky and Texas are better than UConn's wins over Cal, UCF and DePaul.

Edit to add: Or, maybe the committee watches a few minutes of the UConn-Cincinnati game. :oops:
 
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#85
Then after the game the seeding guy says UConn basically needs help to be a 1, but ND can play back to a 1. UConn beat them pretty badly at their place and they have bad losses. To me it is anti UConn bias. You have no contro over league but AAC much improved (thanks to UConn's help) and SEC worse. I'd worry more but Geno seems to care less or prefer it this way as he says = you need to just win 6 games. seeding doesn't matter.
 

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#86
I don't understand what happened to quality win's and bad losses, UConn should still be a 1. 2 losses. Both to what are top 3 teams and both on the road. Big wins against ND (away) and SC (home). Look at Miss St.'s wins and losses. How are they given to be better?
The resumes are similar. State's only loss is to the other 1 seed and the two teams have similar #'s of Top 25 and Top 50 wins. SC win for UConn was obviously not a factor.

They probably gave MSU the #1 vs UConn since they sent them to Albany.
 

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Then after the game the seeding guy says UConn basically needs help to be a 1, but ND can play back to a 1. UConn beat them pretty badly at their place and they have bad losses. To me it is anti UConn bias. You have no contro over league but AAC much improved (thanks to UConn's help) and SEC worse. I'd worry more but Geno seems to care less or prefer it this way as he says = you need to just win 6 games. seeding doesn't matter.
ND still has games against Syracuse, NC State left in the regular season... and they will probably get a combination of Miami/Syracuse/NC State and then Louisville in the ACC Tourney Final. Win all those.. and they will be a #1 no doubt.

ND doesnt have bad losses... they have a bad loss (in chapel hill)
 
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Then after the game the seeding guy says UConn basically needs help to be a 1, but ND can play back to a 1. UConn beat them pretty badly at their place and they have bad losses. To me it is anti UConn bias. You have no contro over league but AAC much improved (thanks to UConn's help) and SEC worse. I'd worry more but Geno seems to care less or prefer it this way as he says = you need to just win 6 games. seeding doesn't matter.
No, it has nothing to do with bias. There are the principles that seeding is based on, year in and year out.

If Notre Dame wins out and beats Louisville again on the way to an ACC tournament title, they'll make a very strong case to pass both UConn and Miss St.
 
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#89
RPI's should just be a starting point in respect to determining the actual strength of schedule. It does not factor in some of the preseason cup cakes that some really good teams end up playing for a variety of reasons. Playing a very low rated team can bring someones RPI down considerably, while getting blown out by a highly rated team will bring it up. So in reality a top 50 team at the lower spectrum could be very mediocre and not as good as a team rated below them using the RPI gage.

The committee does not seem quite as lazy as Creme so they are not going totally by the flawed RPI fomula. So when he quotes top 50 RPI wins as a major factor, he is just supporting the lazy and flawed criteria he uses. Someone who cherry picks stats to support his own perspectives has little to say about others methods.

That does not make the Committee necessarily right, but using RPI to discredit them is a joke.
 
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Then after the game the seeding guy says UConn basically needs help to be a 1, but ND can play back to a 1. UConn beat them pretty badly at their place and they have bad losses. To me it is anti UConn bias. You have no contro over league but AAC much improved (thanks to UConn's help) and SEC worse. I'd worry more but Geno seems to care less or prefer it this way as he says = you need to just win 6 games. seeding doesn't matter.
Trying to say there is anti UCONN Bias when it comes to Women’s Basketball is hilarious
 
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It only took a couple of hours, but ESPN finally fixed the listed 2-seeds on the scroll to reflect NC State.

Bless their little hearts!
Hopefully they were bombarded with angry tweets from Raleigh and some hapless intern has been summarily escorted out...
 

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#93
I don't see NC State lasting as a two seed.


Portland region is really really weak

Oregon, NC State, Iowa, Gonzaga? lol
Just punch in Oregon to the final four already
OMG! That is AWESOME. Can you make the “X” bolder? You are da man!
 
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I don't understand what happened to quality win's and bad losses, UConn should still be a 1. 2 losses. Both to what are top 3 teams and both on the road. Big wins against ND (away) and SC (home). Look at Miss St.'s wins and losses. How are they given to be better?
Frankly it looks like the committee just put the 1 loss teams as #1 seeds... :confused: Good news is this is not the final bracket... maybe by then the idea of "Quality Wins", "Good Losses" and the other stuff that goes into the magic potion to come up with the seedings will come into the picture. UCONN has lost to ONLY #1 and #2 in the latest rankings. I haven't checked the entire NCAA Schedules, but I suspect UCONN might be the only one who has played the current #1, #2, and #6...
 
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To correct a couple dumb things I said - for bad losses I was thinking of ND having 3 losses one which was IMHO a bad one. For my comments on Miss St. for some reason I thought they had 2 losses. My bad. I was wrong.
 

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It's ridiculous. My senior year, our women's bowling club team advanced to nationals in Denver. As statistician for both bowling clubs, I got to go watch. I still have the program from the national finals, in which we were labeled as 'The North Carolina Wolfpack'. (BTW...our team finished 12th out of 12 at nationals...but it was exciting to see our ladies advance that far.)

This problem has been around since I was a child. Despite branding efforts for all athletic teams to be referred to as NC State, we still get referred to as North Carolina a lot!
I’m sorry but I couldn’t get past Bowling...who knew :confused:
 
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I think if you use the Eye Test, the committee has the #1 Seeds Correct. Miss St only has one loss and the SEC is a tougher conference then the AAC. While I usually don't root for teams to lose, I wouldn't mind seeing Miss St lose one or more games down the stretch and get them out of UConn's bracket.
 

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