NBA Discussion 2016/2017

[superjohn]

the guy i can't get enough of is porzingis. always been a fan, since his first summer league game, but now he has reached another echelon. He is on that anthony davis ish where you simply can't defend him, and opposing fans are terrified of him. Watching him last night dominate vs phx, then melo promptly coming in and taking horrible shots, painted the stark contrast between an aging superstar and the unicorn. So @Scoe wasn't too far, really wanted the knicks to win that game.



The knicks are just so fun to watch when melo and noah arent in the game, its alarming. And ron baker is one of those guys who can come out of no where and be a solid back up, he is huge for a pg and competes on defense, unlike BJ+rose.

I remember watching that draft at a bar with friends. I was telling anyone in the bar who would listen that the Knicks had to take Porzingis but as a long suffering Knicks fan who has seen them draft Freddie Weiss, Balkman, Jordan Hill, Jerrod Mustaf etc. I had very little confidence. When Porzingis was drafted we all did a celebratory shot and I did a little dance. I somehow convinced my friends that Porzingis had a chance to be special even though I wasn't exactly sure or convinced. What I did know is that he had a million times more upside than Mudiay or Winslow or any other guy the Knicks settled on in the past 15 plus years. I thought he had a chance to be great but it would happen further down the road. Turns out the kid is way more of a freak than I even expected. Right now he does things on the court I've never seen someone that height do and he's still like Bambi figuring it all out. 7'3 dudes are not supposed to move like him, handle like him, shoot threes like they are layups and he throws the bogus "Europeans aren't tough" label right out the window. He's already my favorite player in the league. The Knicks have been so depressing for so long that I just assumed they would never have one of those superstar transcendent type players that other teams have been fortunate enough in having. Porzingis is already damn good (all-star) and can be one of those transcendent guys down the road.

 

[Walker11]

Is it fair to say that the Celtics window for becoming an elite team depends on hitting a HR with this years Nets pick?

 

[BUConn10]

batum is one of these i will irrationally love, he is such a good passer. But in general, the guy takes the worst shots (leaning threes off floppy, contested fadeways), and has a really bad ts% for a 2nd option. his motor is also average. pretty even matchup at point, both wall n walker touching the paint.

I have to say, I've been impressed with what I've seen from MKG this year. I will admit my earlier assessment of him may have been off, that defensive intensity you were putting big weight into back when we were discussing this is definitely obvious, he has a tangible effect on D. And his offensive game is way better than the last time I saw him healthy, maybe he just hasn't been able to string together enough healthy games to show this in the past or what but he's better than I described, I was wrong.

 

[superjohn]

I have to say, I've been impressed with what I've seen from MKG this year. I will admit my earlier assessment of him may have been off, that defensive intensity you were putting big weight into back when we were discussing this is definitely obvious, he has a tangible effect on D. And his offensive game is way better than the last time I saw him healthy, maybe he just hasn't been able to string together enough healthy games to show this in the past or what but he's better than I described, I was wrong.

Plus he has a beautiful jump shot.

 

[BUConn10]

Plus he has a beautiful jump shot. View attachment 17674

His shot still needs work to be a tier 2 SF but that picture is super old, he has improved his shot and form significantly, still room for improvement though but we have to remember this kid is only like 23.

 

[James]

Is it fair to say that the Celtics window for becoming an elite team depends on hitting a HR with this years Nets pick?

indeed. they have to hit this, the way the lakers hit it with dlo or knicks with The Unicorn.

 

[JSM1970]

If they keep the pick. Can they use with a package of players to get AD, Boogie.

Not many others I think would be available I'd use that pick for, maybe Wiggins, Beal, Freak?

But yes, something big if they draft real high. This last one was tough, Brown has no basketball skills.

They'd needing shooting, should have gone Murray or Hield or even Dunn/Bender.

Should have given up Crowder for Butler with pick.

Butler > > > Crowder and who cares about Brown who barely plays.

Is it fair to say that the Celtics window for becoming an elite team depends on hitting a HR with this years Nets pick?

 

[superjohn]

If they keep the pick. Can they use with a package of players to get AD, Boogie.

Not many others I think would be available I'd use that pick for, maybe Wiggins, Beal, Freak?

But yes, something big if they draft real high. This last one was tough, Brown has no basketball skills.

They'd needing shooting, should have gone Murray or Hield or even Dunn/Bender.

Should have given up Crowder for Butler with pick.

Butler > > > Crowder and who cares about Brown who barely plays.

Jimmy Butler better than Jae Crowder??? No way. You probably think Anthony Davis is better than Taj Gibson as well.

 

[BUConn10]

indeed. they have to hit this, the way the lakers hit it with dlo or knicks with The Unicorn.

I'd say the Lakers' real HR hit will be with Ingram. The fact that DLo is just a bonus shows ridiculously lucky they have been.

 

[Walker11]

I wish the Celtics could have gotten Butler but it never made sense for the Bulls. Does anyone think Butler can be the best player on a championship team? I am not sure.

 

[James]

Jimmy Butler better than Jae Crowder??? No way. You probably think Anthony Davis is better than Taj Gibson as well.

One thing i would like @temery , seeing who i've blocked in thread , or 'unignore messages'. It gets confusing with people responding in thread, even though most of the time its JSM for me.

 

[James]

I'd say the Lakers' real HR hit will be with Ingram. The fact that DLo is just a bonus shows ridiculously lucky they have been.

i'm wildly skeptical on Ingram, don't you think he looks like a skeleton out there? DLo i'm a big fan of no doubt, but ingram idk. what is his upside? tayshaun prince? this last draft was so trash imo

 

[Walker11]

Jimmy Butler better than Jae Crowder??? No way. You probably think Anthony Davis is better than Taj Gibson as well.

Hey, a step in the right direction. Making a very obvious point is a lot better on my eyes than making an asinine point.

 

[superjohn]

I wish the Celtics could have gotten Butler but it never made sense for the Bulls. Does anyone think Butler can be the best player on a championship team? I am not sure.

Probably not but there is just a handful of those guys in the league.

 

[Walker11]

Probably not but there is just a handful of those guys in the league.

Probably my view as well, especially in the super team era. I want to see a 3rd super team, maybe CP goes to the Spurs.

I will dream he goes to the Knicks, may not be a super team but would love him and KP (and Melo is still very good, for all the hate me and others give him)

 

[JSM1970]

Can you read clown, wait that was rhetorical.

They wanted Crowder the pick and Bradley.

They draft a guy as a backup to a guy worse than the guy they could have gotten. The Brown pick was terrible, several mocks had him 8-10 or higher.

Jimmy Butler better than Jae Crowder??? No way. You probably think Anthony Davis is better than Taj Gibson as well.

 

[James]

pretty even matchup still with wall n walker, though i would say walker is not playing well. has a lot of assists but doing a lot of complaining and not getting back on defense. also not hitting his threes off pnr. theres no way i would leave this game saying wall was a much better player, both are touching the paint a lot but walker is passing better.

 

[Walker11]

Can you read clown, wait that was rhetorical.

They wanted Crowder the pick and Bradley.

They draft a guy as a backup to a guy worse than the guy they could have gotten. The Brown pick was terrible, several mocks had him 8-10 or higher.

I think their rationale was they need a superstar. I would be very surprised if he gets there, but he has the highest upside. None of the other rookies you mentioned moved the needle. I agree though that they should have made the trade, at least they would lock up the 2 seed. Even though who knows if the Bulls agree.

Edit. Didn't see Bradley included. Bradley is very, very good. I don't think they would be better off with Jimmy, unless they think Smart or Rozier are good.

 

[BUConn10]

i'm wildly skeptical on Ingram, don't you think he looks like a skeleton out there? DLo i'm a big fan of no doubt, but ingram idk. what is his upside? tayshaun prince? this last draft was so trash imo

He's too skinny right now, gonna take time but the pieces and skill this early are there in spades, hes still a teenager its crazy.

Also Kemba is getting ABUSED by the refs right now. Multiple no calls and even on a clear hit to his arm shooting a 3 where the ball barely got halfway and no call

 

[superjohn]

Can you read clown, wait that was rhetorical.

They wanted Crowder the pick and Bradley.

They draft a guy as a backup to a guy worse than the guy they could have gotten. The Brown pick was terrible, several mocks had him 8-10 or higher.

Holy cr@p, you can't even read your own posts. By far the angriest and dumbest poster in boneyard history.

 

[superjohn]

pretty even matchup still with wall n walker, though i would say walker is not playing well. has a lot of assists but doing a lot of complaining and not getting back on defense. also not hitting his threes off pnr. theres no way i would leave this game saying wall was a much better player, both are touching the paint a lot but walker is passing better.

Basing who is a better player off of one regular season game is incredibly silly.

 

[BUConn10]

Basing who is a better player off of one regular season game is incredibly silly.

Then what do you suggest it be based of off?

 

[James]

Its just a matchup, numbers say walker, so its interesting to see how wall stacks up. Wall is good as hell, just not close to the shooter kemba is. hornets dont look good at all tonight, a lot of crap minutes from kaminsky, mkg looking like garbage closing the game. statistics show mkg nor beli are as good as lamb yet he struggles to get 10 mpg . its really getting crazy over here, hopefully a beat writer asks why. Lamb started TWO games and they won BOTH in november. while he averaged a double double.

 

[superjohn]

Then what do you suggest it be based of off?

Is this a serious question?

 

[Walker11]

Is this a serious question?

Yea, you have entire series when an inferior player upstages his opponent. See : Kyrie and Steph.