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More trouble in ACC paradise?

As bad as BC is, there's probably a good chance we end up with them and the remaining leftovers in some conference with previous BE castoffs

Not the most ideal of conference mates, but probably a much better payout than the current BE
 
huskymedic said:
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Might as well lean into it, Louisville.

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huskymedic said:
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Most of the things Louisville is asking for in their letter (collective negotiations for TV rights, doing away with the NCAA) is going to leave UConn even more on the outside looking in.
 
Purple Stein said:
Most of the things Louisville is asking for in their letter (collective negotiations for TV rights, doing away with the NCAA) is going to leave UConn even more on the outside looking in.
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Until there is a well structured and enforcable spending cap (think salary cap) none of this is sustainable for anyone. Many athletic departments will spend whatever they need to and can get their hands on for top talent. That has set the stage for irresonsible spending which will continue until some run the coffers dry.

This is a full blown professional for profit business model run largely by folks that are not business people.......they are academics and ineffectual regulatory beaurocrats (NCAA).

btw, UCONN getting into the P4 may reduce the red ink but it will not eliminate it. I wonder if it accelerates the need to acquire talent and drives even tougher economics.
 
Purple Stein said:
Most of the things Louisville is asking for in their letter (collective negotiations for TV rights, doing away with the NCAA) is going to leave UConn even more on the outside looking in.
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Louisville has been overspending and they need to curb their spending. And, Louisville/state of Kentucky need to figure out how to pay for the Yum Center. BTW, the P2/Notre Dame would never go for pooled TV rights.
 
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UConnJim said:
It really is mismanagement. Think about this. DeFilippo fired/pushed out 4 relatively successful coaches, 2 in football (O'Brien and Jagodzinski), and 1 in men's (Skinner) and 1 in women's basketball (Iglese), and BC has never recovered. Add in a President who really doesn't care about athletics (but is leaving soon), and you have the recipe for BC's athletic collapse.

BC has dug themselves a deep hole, but with the right administration (the new President?) and some good head coaching hires, BC has a chance to turn it around and become respectable in athletics.
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I have no doubt it is complete incompetence at bcu. It may be at cuse, pitt and nd too, I don't know. cuse seems to have really screwed up its basketball hire. but for all 4 programs to suck at the same time, there have to be other factors. and I'm not so sure bcu can turn it around. It is an outlier with no real success to speak of in 2 decades and NIL is a big issue.

My theory is that kids want to play for certain schools and coaches but also certain conferences. Maybe they prefer to stay and play close to home. If a kid wants to run in the ACC with the likes of UNC and puke, why on earth would they want to go to cuse or bcu? They can choose wake, nc state, or play in virginia or florida. cuse and bcu have much colder weather and the travel really sucks. those 4 schools are in Big East and Big Ten country. Had the ACC included UConn and maybe 1 or 2 other northeastern schools (ruttie, maryland, nova), it would have changed the landscape and made a more regional northern wing.
 
Kolumbo said:
I have no doubt it is complete incompetence at bcu. It may be at cuse, pitt and nd too, I don't know. cuse seems to have really screwed up its basketball hire. but for all 4 programs to suck at the same time, there have to be other factors. and I'm not so sure bcu can turn it around. It is an outlier with no real success to speak of in 2 decades and NIL is a big issue.

My theory is that kids want to play for certain schools and coaches but also certain conferences. Maybe they prefer to stay and play close to home. If a kid wants to run in the ACC with the likes of UNC and puke, why on earth would they want to go to cuse or bcu? They can choose wake, nc state, or play in virginia or florida. cuse and bcu have much colder weather and the travel really sucks. those 4 schools are in Big East and Big Ten country. Had the ACC included UConn and maybe 1 or 2 other northeastern schools (ruttie, maryland, nova), it would have changed the landscape and made a more regional northern wing.
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Cuse screwed up because the HOF coach stayed too long and the program started a steady descent, then they stuck to an in-house hire who, while a great player, hasn't been a great coach.
 
uconndogs said:
Until there is a well structured and enforcable spending cap (think salary cap) none of this is sustainable for anyone. Many athletic departments will spend whatever they need to and can get their hands on for top talent. That has set the stage for irresonsible spending which will continue until some run the coffers dry.

This is a full blown professional for profit business model run largely by folks that are not business people.......they are academics and ineffectual regulatory beaurocrats (NCAA).

btw, UCONN getting into the P4 may reduce the red ink but it will not eliminate it. I wonder if it accelerates the need to acquire talent and drives even tougher economics.
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Largely agree. I think Connecticut faces the same pressures to acquire talent whether it is in the P4 or not. Better to be starting from a higher floor. As things are, essentially, Connecticut needs to fundraisers up to the level of the P4 normal distribution before it can even begin to compete. Said differently, P4 schools have a floor that they start from. UConn is in the sub sub basement, economically, and needs to climb several flights of stairs before they even reach that floor.
 
John said:
Cuse screwed up because the HOF coach stayed too long and the program started a steady descent, then they stuck to an in-house hire who, while a great player, hasn't been a great coach.
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Correct. Boeheim was suspended and lost career wins because of his assistant coach. He then came back and (the school) announced a retirement date and the coach-in-waiting (many years) would take over. That retirement date was withdrawn and the assistant went to U Washington as HC. Recruits didn't know who was going to be the HC and for how long. Recruiting dropped off. Boeheim retired and Red got the job because he was a great player and a nice guy... and turned out to be a lousy coach. After SU loses its first game in the ACC tournament, he will be fired.
 
SU1968 said:
Correct. Boeheim was suspended and lost career wins because of his assistant coach. He then came back and (the school) announced a retirement date and the coach-in-waiting (many years) would take over. That retirement date was withdrawn and the assistant went to U Washington as HC. Recruits didn't know who was going to be the HC and for how long. Recruiting dropped off. Boeheim retired and Red got the job because he was a great player and a nice guy... and turned out to be a lousy coach. After SU loses its first game in the ACC tournament, he will be fired.
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it must be frustrating because Red did get a decent roster together this year, but those guys are playing playground ball.
 
Purple Stein said:
Most of the things Louisville is asking for in their letter (collective negotiations for TV rights, doing away with the NCAA) is going to leave UConn even more on the outside looking in.
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If the ACC, Big 12, and G5 try to push for collective negotiations of TV rights we might see The SEC and B1G actually choose the nuclear option and blow it all up. UConn might directly benefit from this as a number of schools like Pitt, Cuse, and yes Louisville might be looking for some new conference mates.
 
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Ldandy said:
If the ACC, Big 12, and G5 try to push for collective negotiations of TV rights we might see The SEC and B1G actually choose the nuclear option and blow it all up. UConn might directly benefit from this as a number of schools like Pitt, Cuse, and yes Louisville might be looking for some new conference mates.
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let's get the old gang back together.
 
SU1968 said:
Correct. Boeheim was suspended and lost career wins because of his assistant coach. He then came back and (the school) announced a retirement date and the coach-in-waiting (many years) would take over. That retirement date was withdrawn and the assistant went to U Washington as HC. Recruits didn't know who was going to be the HC and for how long. Recruiting dropped off. Boeheim retired and Red got the job because he was a great player and a nice guy... and turned out to be a lousy coach. After SU loses its first game in the ACC tournament, he will be fired.
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I think you may have a problem with your football HC as well. Not sure what rational he could possibly have had to put that kid under center last season other than throwing in the towel.
 
so I checked out an ACC message board, not sure how active it is. But this FSU fan keeps bringing up UConn and I don't see much if any pushback. perhaps they've reached a turning point and see the writing on the wall.

"Well the thing is, UConn’s basketball brand is worth the most in the BE (no numbers to back it up), so they are lifting up everybody else. Surely you don’t think UConn is equal to Providence or Creighton. Just like you would not pretend that Wake basketball is worth as much as Duke. The question is: how much more? I don’t have any numbers, just gut feelings. So how much more of a basketball brand does UConn need to be to be additive to the ACC? You know that UConn’s ceiling for football is pretty much maxed out as an Indy and with their media coverage.

My conclusion is to get them at a bargain rate now/soon which fills the ACC’s scheduling needs and while the ACC is in a position of power. Asking them to take a pay cut when the ACC is losing members is not going to work for them. Get them integrated and elevate their program to P status."


"2 Divisions, 4 Pods - UConn, TCU, Tulane

ATLANTIC
UNC, Duke, VT, UVA, Pitt
NCSU, Wake, Clem, GT, UL

COAST
FSU, UM, SU, BC, UConn
*Tulane, Stan, TCU, SMU, Cal

Each team plays their pod members annually, 1 annual cross pod, 2 semi-annual cross pod games, 2 cross division games.
Example: FSU - Annuals UM, SU, BC, UConn, Tulane. Semi-annual Stan, TCU, SMU, Cal. 2 rotating Atlantic teams."

"I’m counting on UConn paying for themselves with full ACCN rates in Connecticut and strengthening ACCN demand in other NE markets like Boston and NYC. ACCN carriage rates will not always be stagnant at the current rate. I’m hoping that TCU along with regular football games vs FSU and Miami can flip the entire state of Texas into full ACCN rates."

 
Kolumbo said:
so I checked out an ACC message board, not sure how active it is. But this FSU fan keeps bringing up UConn and I don't see much if any pushback. perhaps they've reached a turning point and see the writing on the wall.

"Well the thing is, UConn’s basketball brand is worth the most in the BE (no numbers to back it up), so they are lifting up everybody else. Surely you don’t think UConn is equal to Providence or Creighton. Just like you would not pretend that Wake basketball is worth as much as Duke. The question is: how much more? I don’t have any numbers, just gut feelings. So how much more of a basketball brand does UConn need to be to be additive to the ACC? You know that UConn’s ceiling for football is pretty much maxed out as an Indy and with their media coverage.

My conclusion is to get them at a bargain rate now/soon which fills the ACC’s scheduling needs and while the ACC is in a position of power. Asking them to take a pay cut when the ACC is losing members is not going to work for them. Get them integrated and elevate their program to P status."


"2 Divisions, 4 Pods - UConn, TCU, Tulane

ATLANTIC
UNC, Duke, VT, UVA, Pitt
NCSU, Wake, Clem, GT, UL

COAST
FSU, UM, SU, BC, UConn
*Tulane, Stan, TCU, SMU, Cal

Each team plays their pod members annually, 1 annual cross pod, 2 semi-annual cross pod games, 2 cross division games.
Example: FSU - Annuals UM, SU, BC, UConn, Tulane. Semi-annual Stan, TCU, SMU, Cal. 2 rotating Atlantic teams."

"I’m counting on UConn paying for themselves with full ACCN rates in Connecticut and strengthening ACCN demand in other NE markets like Boston and NYC. ACCN carriage rates will not always be stagnant at the current rate. I’m hoping that TCU along with regular football games vs FSU and Miami can flip the entire state of Texas into full ACCN rates."

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The guy kind of seems like their version of Shizzle who just throws out scenarios from time to time. I can't imagine the other teams he's referencing being of interest to the ACC. It's pretty doubtful. TCU would leave the big 12 for the ACC regardless.
 
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Kolumbo said:
so I checked out an ACC message board, not sure how active it is. But this FSU fan keeps bringing up UConn and I don't see much if any pushback. perhaps they've reached a turning point and see the writing on the wall.

"Well the thing is, UConn’s basketball brand is worth the most in the BE (no numbers to back it up), so they are lifting up everybody else. Surely you don’t think UConn is equal to Providence or Creighton. Just like you would not pretend that Wake basketball is worth as much as Duke. The question is: how much more? I don’t have any numbers, just gut feelings. So how much more of a basketball brand does UConn need to be to be additive to the ACC? You know that UConn’s ceiling for football is pretty much maxed out as an Indy and with their media coverage.

My conclusion is to get them at a bargain rate now/soon which fills the ACC’s scheduling needs and while the ACC is in a position of power. Asking them to take a pay cut when the ACC is losing members is not going to work for them. Get them integrated and elevate their program to P status."


"2 Divisions, 4 Pods - UConn, TCU, Tulane

ATLANTIC
UNC, Duke, VT, UVA, Pitt
NCSU, Wake, Clem, GT, UL

COAST
FSU, UM, SU, BC, UConn
*Tulane, Stan, TCU, SMU, Cal

Each team plays their pod members annually, 1 annual cross pod, 2 semi-annual cross pod games, 2 cross division games.
Example: FSU - Annuals UM, SU, BC, UConn, Tulane. Semi-annual Stan, TCU, SMU, Cal. 2 rotating Atlantic teams."

"I’m counting on UConn paying for themselves with full ACCN rates in Connecticut and strengthening ACCN demand in other NE markets like Boston and NYC. ACCN carriage rates will not always be stagnant at the current rate. I’m hoping that TCU along with regular football games vs FSU and Miami can flip the entire state of Texas into full ACCN rates."

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So not only does he think the ACC will keep all of their members (wishful thinking), but he thinks a Big 12 school will leave the Big 12 to join the ACC.
 
Rufus said:
So not only does he think the ACC will keep all of their members (wishful thinking), but he thinks a Big 12 school will leave the Big 12 to join the ACC.
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Can't blame a fan for being hopeful. I've been chasing dream scenarios for over a decade. I'm just pointing out that people seem agreeable to adding UConn.
 
If they had any sense, the ACC and ESPN would throw out BC and add UConn. It has been demonstrated over the last few football seasons that UConn can compete with the ACC teams. ESPN determines who is in and who is out.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
And, they need to re-energize their fan base with a geographic rival just 80 miles down the road.
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A rival who has BC fans rooting for them so they can get that dinette set for free!
 
Ldandy said:
If the ACC, Big 12, and G5 try to push for collective negotiations of TV rights we might see The SEC and B1G actually choose the nuclear option and blow it all up. UConn might directly benefit from this as a number of schools like Pitt, Cuse, and yes Louisville might be looking for some new conference mates.
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None of this has any chance of happening.

The collective bargaining gambit has big fans in the two conferences that are not making as much money as the top two, but their plans do not include bringing any G5 folks along with them.

Which is fine because their plan is DOA.
 
Rufus said:
So not only does he think the ACC will keep all of their members (wishful thinking), but he thinks a Big 12 school will leave the Big 12 to join the ACC.
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In your haste to fill up the board with more nonsense, you didn't read what he wrote.

My conclusion is to get them at a bargain rate now/soon which fills the ACC’s scheduling needs and while the ACC is in a position of power. Asking them to take a pay cut when the ACC is losing members....
 
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Fishy said:
In your haste to fill up the board with more nonsense, you didn't read what he wrote.

My conclusion is to get them at a bargain rate now/soon which fills the ACC’s scheduling needs and while the ACC is in a position of power. Asking them to take a pay cut when the ACC is losing members....
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That isn’t an irrational argument especially given that SMU basically bought its way in. UConn might not agree to take less than a full share in part because we bring more to the table than SMU, but arguing they should add us now at a discounted rate probably makes more sense than waiting to do it after they crash ( if they crash) is hardly nonsense. I don’t recall all the details but didn’t Rutgers and Maryland get reduced shares for a time period to join the Big 10?
 
freescooter said:
I don’t recall all the details but didn’t Rutgers and Maryland get reduced shares for a time period to join the Big 10?
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I don't remember the details either, but I think Rutgers took advances in order to help fund their move and, maybe, improve facilities. Part of their reduced share was the installment payments on that loan. Both Maryland and Rutgers had to "buy in" to the Big Ten network. There were installment payments for that as well. The combination of those two dramatically reduced the amount of money Rutgers was getting from the Big Ten early on.

That's all for memory, though, it could be wrong.
 
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It's my understanding that the AAU now counts off campus medical research in its total research numbers. In the past, not having medical research in Storrs hurt Connecticut.
 
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