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I didn't watch the game but looking at the box score, I have this question - has any NC Runner-up ever had 2 starters foul out and a 3rd player with 4?
I did see the video of Caitlin getting the T and was kinda shocked that #50 was not shocked by it. However, the video didn't show if the ball was in the direction of a ref or in an opposite direction.
 
UConnCat said:
Iowa lost because they couldn't get a defensive stop if Lisa Bluder's life depended on it. That said, the game clearly was too big for that trio of officials. The game needs and deserves better.

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If they are the best three then the game is in trouble. If they aren't the three best then shame on NCAAW for using something other than skill to determine who calls the FF games. This was the first year I can recall several games that were severely impacted by officiating and that is a shame.
 
mbr33ct said:
Tell me the refs are not afraid of Kim. I thought in that first quarter all the calls seemed to be against Iowa and when one went against LSU Kim was out of her mind about it.
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No doubt - and afraid of her players - they called the stupid tech on Caitlin because that tiny show of frustration reminded the ref what a bad (and partial) job she was doing.
 
Why wasn’t Dee Kanter one of the refs? I thought she was usually the go-to for women’s games.
 
Matrim55 said:
They don't know what rampant means.
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If these are the best refs they have, then complete and sweeping changes are needed IMMEDIATELY (if they want WCBB to succeed.)
 
Institutions and our trust in them is what holds us together. To trust them they need to be trustworthy. I've posted my curiosity before. What institution governs the officiating of WCBB? Will there be a published review of the officials' performance? Where will it come from? Will the review criteria be transparently known? If not, why not?

An example of the kind of situation where officiating could be standardized is the high elbow contact as shooters or rebounders spin with the ball held high. a. Should it be allowed? b. if allowed with what conditions? Turning is ok, unless an elbow (or shoulder) connects with the face of an opponent. c. Conversely, body-to-body defending - should that be allowed? If you body up, and the opponent clocks you in the face with an elbow or shoulder 1) if the ballholders movement is entirely vertical, it's the defender's problem, but 2) if the ballholder pushes into the defender, it's an offensive foul.

Ok that's me in 10 seconds of thinking. Hasn't somebody done this and written it down clearly; so that everybody can know it? If it has been made clear and objective, it shouldn't look so random and subjective.
 
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Centerstream said:
I didn't watch the game but looking at the box score, I have this question - has any NC Runner-up ever had 2 starters foul out and a 3rd player with 4?
I did see the video of Caitlin getting the T and was kinda shocked that #50 was not shocked by it. However, the video didn't show if the ball was in the direction of a ref or in an opposite direction.
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It's clearly a delay of game, but any competent ref would have given her a warning.
 
Kaizen said:
This is how Reese to Clark. You judge this,

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My kid or grandkid does that... what happens next would be a lifelong memory. I don't mean to sound like a harsh parent. But somethings need to be made very clear.
 
Actions like that of Angel Reese show her true character, and the officiating letting Kim be on the court, grabbing the ref (automatic T not called) probably hurt the game of WBB on the biggest stage. I watched a lot of WBB games this year not just my favorite team, but I don't see myself doing so after this.
 
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I totally agree that the officiating was terrible, but it was terrible against both teams. Iowa lost because they rely too much on Clark, the same as Uconn relied too much on Paige two years ago.
 
OldSchooler said:
Angel Reese's taunting of Caitlin Clark toward the end of the game, waving her ring finger in Caitlin's face, was really classless.
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I’m not a fan of this behavior, but apparently Clark was not shy about talking a bit during the tournament. Can’t support either girl in this case. That said, I love the Larry Bird trashing talking stories.

Hated the refs and the complete lack of credible defense by Iowa.
 
bovwa10 said:
Why wasn’t Dee Kanter one of the refs? I thought she was usually the go-to for women’s games.
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She did Iowa/SC on Friday night. Officials don't do a semi-final game and the championship game.
 
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The T on Clark was a terrible call.
Reese is a classless individual.
The women's college game will never be taken seriously if this the type of officiating you get. They need to understand which player is causing the contact, stop the over the backs, the arm is not part of the ball and two players need to be holding the ball for a jump ball.
 
The problem with officiating has always been the base group officials are selected from. They are the best of a bad batch. Officiating should be a vocation that is treated as any other vocation and not just a part time job or hobby. Colleges should have officiating programs with set requirments for entry and grades to weed out those that are unqualified. People who do not have the physical skills to qualify should not even be considered. They could have tests to measure visual and mental processing speed. People who do not meet those requirements should be eliminated right away.

The problem is that officiating started as a mom and pop type function. They were originally just fans recruited on site for each game. The level of athletics has evolved into a multi billion dollar business and the officiating has not kept up. Right now high school and colleges provide a quality control weeding out system for athletics. The same sort of system should be in play for officiating, not the sort of hit and miss standards presently in place. It should not be a system that uses a weak pool to choose from. This way they only get the best of an incompetent pool from which they can chose from.
 
UConnCat said:
Iowa lost because they couldn't get a defensive stop if Lisa Bluder's life depended on it. That said, the game clearly was too big for that trio of officials. The game needs and deserves better.

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Mulkey is on the court almost the entire time in every game she coaches; this is in violation of the rules and potentially dangerous and/or disruptive to the players. Clearly the refs are intimidated since they never cite her; I can tolerate a coach being outside the box as long as they're off the floor. Disgusting.
 
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Did not recognize any of the officials. Who were they? To me they simply had no clue what to call, what not to call. The players, coaches, and the game were done a great disservice. The whole tournament was such a great success; large crowds, great TV viewership, exciting games, and then this happens in the biggest of the games. What an awful way for the tournament to end.
 
Bjbod said:
Mulkey is on the court almost the entire time in every game she coaches; this is in violation of the rules and potentially dangerous and/or disruptive to the players. Clearly the refs are intimidated since they never cite her; I can tolerate a coach being outside the box as long as they're off the floor. Disgusting.
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On the men's side, Shaka Smart does the same thing. I love Smart and think he's one of the top coaches, but I can't understand why coaches don't tell a player to line up behind them, and not in a way to hurt them, but have them just run through them on the court.

It can be quite destracting when it's happening when your team is on offense.
 
By Sally Jenkins WaPo
Sports columnist

The officiating was poor, the technical was unpardonable and created a critical swing in favor of LSU. But the bottom line is that Iowa simply could not defend Kim Mulkey’s team. Maybe the legs were a little dead from taking down South Carolina — or maybe they didn’t reckon on the Tigers’ ability to knock down shots. But who did?
 
We need more consistency in calling games. I watched plenty of WCBB games this season as well as almost every NCAA tourney game. The game today proved that the refs need to work on a few things. Some of the calls were worse then terrible and its not just this game. Most of the games are called differently every time. Lets get it right and lets be consistent in all games.
 
ballerfan said:
The officiating was terrible, and both teams suffered. Still, it was a great game, a lot of fun to watch, and an important moment on TV for women’s basketball. LSU dominated and would have won regardless of the fouls.
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I respectfully disagree. Fouls make a difference in game play—both mentally and physically. If you know you could be on the bench with the slightest action, your style and methodology of game play is stifled.
 
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