Mississippi State just got better

[TitleTown]

What have been the penalties to the most recent transfers? I'm not up on most but the ND transfer last year is burned into my brain. I guess I raised too many kids but I believe if it is fair for one it is fair for all. This BS of one gets it because someone writes a better waiver than another does not sit well with me. 99 percent or better of the kids that arrive at Uconn stay. Some have tranferred for 20 different reasons. I can think of a few that transfer because they wanted (and got with the transfer) more PT they could see they'd sit if they stayed--is that wrong??
The "can of worms you speak of is related to the Coaches losing players---it's not like I propose a swinging door policy. Coaches will adjust.

The "can of worms I speak of" is related to corruption and the possibility for more rules to be violated.

 

[CMC'72]

E-H is still the same problem child. And Vic is even harder on his minions.
We shall see how this turns out.
My guess is she leaves again.
But if E-H thrives, then godblessthesystem.

 

[CocoHusky]

That was my entire point, I want there to be zero waivers granted. I think if you allow athletes to transfer without penalty you are just creating another scenario that you have to police. You don't think coaches, boosters, etc won't abuse a free transfer policy? It will become a rotating door of talent, and the smaller mid major schools will be looked at as feeder programs for the bigger schools.

I wouldn't trust the NCAA to police my local dog pound. A one size fits all transfer policy for the NCAA doesn't work. Your fears of corrupt coaches, boosters is relevant to revenue generating sports mostly. The NCAA for all sports already has a proper feeder programs in JUCO.

 

[hoopsfan22]

That was my entire point, I want there to be zero waivers granted. I think if you allow athletes to transfer without penalty you are just creating another scenario that you have to police. You don't think coaches, boosters, etc won't abuse a free transfer policy? It will become a rotating door of talent, and the smaller mid major schools will be looked at as feeder programs for the bigger schools.

So you're saying mid majors and maybe some JUCOs might have their players poached by the big state U? Doesn't the NCAA already have rules around that after a legendary head coach who is now dead used to do that?

 

[CocoHusky]

Surely the friend and supporter of Geno and UC wbb could haveuseddiscetion on whether or not to release the video to the public! With a friend li,e that who needs Enemies?I wonder what the consideration of this friend or the intent was in releasing it?

His intent was to share a video among other friends and supporters of the UCONN program who were not able to attend this event. Just as he has done with hundreds of other videos and photographs from such events!

 

[hoopsfan22]

Plus Geno was drinking wine in that video or at least was holding a wine glass IIRC. One should not imbibe while on the clock.

 

[MikeBlue]

Happy for Andra, hope she has a great career and none of her wins come against UConn. Lol.

 

[BroadwayVa]

The "can of worms I speak of" is related to corruption and the possibility for more rules to be violated.

So, if the NCAA didn't require a waiver to transfer; the corruption in that area would end. Fewer rules, fewer violations, less corruption I would expect. As we have seen the NCAA has assessed penalties for minimal violation and huge violations get little (effective) penalties.

I get where you are coming from and respect that. These are young adults, I call them kids, the corruption/violations don't come from them. So, I say: don't punish the kids with bad rules.
Corruption will happen with those that are making the money. When an organization or Government is too large both tend to infringe on our basic freedoms. In this case transfers.

 

[wallman]

The inconsistency is the problem and their intent.

 

[rt bb fan]

I think I remember It was some personal issue she needed to take care, but apparently she never resolved or did not resolve to Geno's satifaction.

 

[DanishBulldog]

I am old enough to remember when the girls could transfer after the first semester and play the next semester at their new school per AIAW rules.

 

[WNBA 09]

So he didn't trash her then.

Mike Zacchio

✔@Zacchio_LoHud
https://twitter.com/Zacchio_LoHud/status/955461313362350082

My goodness. Geno Auriemma on Andra Espinoza-Hunter transferring from UConn: "I didn't want her there anymore."
Raoul@Raoul_000

WBB: Talking yesterday about his freshman class, UConn coach Geno Auriemma with some blunt comments on why Andra Espinoza-Hunter is transferring (starts ~11:00 mark of video) https://youtu.be/fsrHXkz5cOc?t=11m …

This was all along a ploy by Geno, knowing Miss St would probably seek and receive a waiver from the NCAA...since the flood gates were opened by ND. If anything he helped her out for opening his mouth...as you say. Don't understand your statement there, would that be a good thing for Geno/UConn if she sits out?

Nice reversal , but i doubt that he had this in his mind at all . MSST wasnt even on the radar at the time of those comments .

 

[EricSD]

E-H is still the same problem child. And Vic is even harder on his minions. We shall see how this turns out. My guess is she leaves again. But if E-H thrives, then godblessthesystem.

Maybe, maybe not. It also could be that she learned a hard lesson while at UCONN. The coaches and program have rules in place for players at UCONN. As Geno said, repeatedly NOT doing what the rules require, has consequences.

If she's the type of kid who learns from her mistakes, then she will be fine. If she's the type who does not, she may find herself in hot water with Vic. But I like to give kids the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell of course!

 

[VA Huskie]

Another one we haven’t heard about yet is Dani Lawson. She’s a 6’2” forward who transferred from Purdue to UVA. UVA applied for a waiver. If they get it, she’ll probably start. She played in 5 games at Purdue last year and then missed the rest of the season with a knee injury. Since we don’t know the requirements to get a waiver, no idea if the injury plays a role in the decision. UVA could really use her when they play MSST this Friday.

 

[TitleTown]

Plus Geno was drinking wine in that video or at least was holding a wine glass IIRC. One should not imbibe while on the clock.

Schmoozing with boosters is a huge part of a coaches job, it happens at every DI school in the country! Those practice facilities just don't build themselves.

 

[Kevin G]

What she brings to the table for their team is what makes them more of a final four team at this point than previously. They obviously have a great 5 in McCowan and a great 4 in Howard. They are two of the best in the NCAA at their position. Holmes also provides them a solid PG. Not spectacular, but solid in the same way that William was. They badly needed an outside shooter who can play the 2... and that is what AEH gives them.

Appreciate your response. But I do not see a proven shooter in a player who played in only 7 collegiate games averaging single digit minutes. She also was not impressive when she did play. Hey who knows?!

 

[hoopsfan22]

Schmoozing with boosters is a huge part of a coaches job, it happens at every DI school in the country! Those practice facilities just don't build themselves.

I'm aware of that, but maybe if he wasn't drinking he would have been a bit more measured in his response about the AEH situation.

 

[Carnac]

A random after thought.........the reasoning behind the NCAA granting her request might be because they may have concluded that Geno forced her to leave, and not that she left on her own accord.

If so, they decided that she should not be penalized a year and a half for that, and reinstated her right away. Until the NCAA is forced or compelled to give the reasons for each of their transfer decisions, we will continue to be kept in the dark scratching our heads try to figure out their rationale on the transfers they approve.

 

[DudyDog]

Seems like the reason she was granted immediate eligibility was that the NCAA determined she had no choice but to transfer and didn't leave on her own. I'm on the side of those leaning more to a transfer having to sit a year when transferring. I feel that way because most transfers are initiated by the player and not the school or coach. In this case, I can see where the NCAA would rule as they did since "it appears" that Geno made the decision for her to leave. And I say "it appears" from the quote that has been posted of him talking about her not being there any longer.

 

[DaBball]

A random after thought....the reasoning behind the NCAA granting her request might be because they may have concluded that Geno forced her to leave, and not that she left on her own accord. If so, they decided that she should not be penalized a year and a half for that, and reinstated her right away.

Based off their thread, I’m assuming thats the angle they took.

 

[newfrontier]

Nobody has to sit out after transferring anymore?

Well, Slocum had to sit out last season for Oregon State.....which might have cost them a final 4 appearance and/or PAC-12 championship, as they had to play the whole year without an experienced PG. Yet Notre Dame and now MSU transfer players don't have to wait....the apparent inconsistency by the NCAA looks more like a bad joke all the time.

 

[nwhoopfan]

the apparent inconsistency by the NCAA looks more like a bad joke all the time

Oregon had 3 players transfer out after last season. One of them, Maley, was just granted immediate eligibility at TCU. What about the other 2? Haven't heard anything. Not sure why Maley would have such a compelling reason for not having to sit out a season if McGwire and Campisano don't.

Aarion McDonald had to sit out a year after transferring from UW to Arizona, and UW had a coaching change. That seems to be a get out of jail free card for some players but obviously not universally applied. The lack of consistency is frustrating and yet another reason to distrust the NCAA.

 

[zakalex]

This is hearsay but here it is. Last spring I was in YNHH for a short stay and spent 20 minutes or so talking UConn basketball with a young orderly. She told me that she went to several basketball games because her best friend was Andra's cousin and Andra was able to give the cousin free tickets. The cousin said that Andra was dismissed because she refused to remove facial jewelry.

 

[oldude]

This is hearsay but here it is. Last spring I was in YNHH for a short stay and spent 20 minutes or so talking UConn basketball with a young orderly. She told me that she went to several basketball games because her best friend was Andra's cousin and Andra was able to give the cousin free tickets. The cousin said that Andra was dismissed because she refused to remove facial jewelry.

There are literally dozens of photos of AEH online and not in a single one is she wearing facial jewelry. Let’s stop the silliness.

 

[MikeBlue]

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about concerning her eligibility... my understanding was that as long as you didn't play a certain amount of games in a given season then in essence you would be eligible to play after sitting out the rest of that season? I'm sure there are exceptions but this is what I've seen over the years...
As for her dismissal, well, you break the rules you pay the price. And, honestly, Geno shouldn't sugarcoat it. UConn's program has a set a values in place that have been the cornerstone of the program from the day him and CD arrived. Everyone should know these values will not be compromised for anyone, and hopefully that will mean something to every player and recruit and their families! Go Huskies!

 

[CocoHusky]

Well, Slocum had to sit out last season for Oregon State.....which might have cost them a final 4 appearance and/or PAC-12 championship, as they had to play the whole year without an experienced PG. Yet Notre Dame and now MSU transfer players don't have to wait....the apparent inconsistency by the NCAA looks more like a bad joke all the time.

Did Oregon State put in a request for Slocum to get a waiver and be immediately eligible? If not OSU situation is significantly different than ND or MSU.

 

[Bama fan]

This is hearsay but here it is. Last spring I was in YNHH for a short stay and spent 20 minutes or so talking UConn basketball with a young orderly. She told me that she went to several basketball games because her best friend was Andra's cousin and Andra was able to give the cousin free tickets. The cousin said that Andra was dismissed because she refused to remove facial jewelry.

Wow. I never saw her with facial jewelry, so if she was forced to leave for that, well okay then!

 

[Jmsdawg]

Let me State, I am a MSST grad and I love our Women Basketball Team and head coach Vic. Andra has been singled out by Vic as one of his easier to coach kids with a great work ethic. In addition, she appears to be very talented, definitely will make our Dawgs better, hope you guys get to see her up close in the Final Four! Praise the Lord and go DAWGS!

 

[MilfordHusky]

I chatted with some nice folks from Mississippi State at the Final Four in the spring. They were hoping that Andi could be the next Victoria Vivians. I told them that was probably a stretch and wouldn't happen immediately, if ever. I know some folks here think Andi was not a UConn-level talent. I think she can play some defense and hit some threes. She may help spread the floor, allowing McCowan more room inside. She'll help State. The question is how much. Andi is young for her class, so she needs to be mature. She also needs to adjust to the culture shock of Mississippi and endure Vic's practices, which are very hard.

 

[uconnfan68]

A lot of the people feel that the NCAA is biased towards UConn because Shabazz Napier blatantly called them out on national TV after the 2013 National Championship game.

It was worth it.