Mississippi St (10) @ South Carolina (1) - 1/20/20

[MSSportsGuy]

What an exciting game, the best I've seen this season so far! We had our chances but lost a lead and fell to a very good team on their home floor. Boston is outstanding and I didn't think Carter would be effective against her. Three of our own freshmen picked a good night to have some of their best games of the year. The backcourt is getting pretty crowded at MSU and I hope there are enough basketballs to go around.

We could be better than I originally thought or realized. So far the three losses are against the best teams we played but all were relatively close. If we play like this against the rest of our schedule and stay healthy then we shouldn't lose many more against the SEC and should be in the mix to keep hosting the first two rounds.

Congrats to SC. If all these freshmen tonight stay with these programs we could continue to have some great battles the next few years.

 

[eebmg]

I go by the games that I see the teams play and the Baylor wins against UCONN and WVA really impressed me. Baylor, IMHO, has the best team that I have seen play.

So if the Baylor Women are #1 and the men are #1, has it ever happened (I suppose UConn?) that the same university has been #1 in the final polls before the tournament?

 

[Farney]

I see S Carolina has over 13,000 in attendance yesterday. Well done. How are ticket prices down there for games? I assume they are they same $20+ we pay up here.

 

[hoopsfan22]

So if the Baylor Women are #1 and the men are #1, has it ever happened (I suppose UConn?) that the same university has been #1 in the final polls before the tournament?

Move over UConn... there's a new basketball capital, and it's the Baylor Bears.

 

[SimpleDawg]

As long as South Carolina gets the 1-seed in Greenville I could give a flying frisbee disc who's the overall #1.

Isn't that a done deal at this point?

 

[SCGamecock]

Isn't that a done deal at this point?

Win the SEC Regular season outright and it probably will be.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Isn't that a done deal at this point?

with two months to play? I wouldn't say so.

 

[JstVisiting]

As long as South Carolina gets the 1-seed in Greenville I could give a flying frisbee disc who's the overall #1.

Unless South Carolina loses, they will be #1 in the polls and overall bracket at season’s end. I think a lot of SID’s and student assistants... I mean “coaches” are just assuming a loss to UConn.

 

[GRIFFBIFF20]

Match up - Smatch up !!! Why is Vic burying AEH on his bench in key games this season? She was good enough last season to gain major minutes and contributed greatly to their Final 4 run. What's happened??

 

[Centerstream]

I sorta enjoy reading these game threads for non UConn games and seeing all our Keyboard Coaches giving other coaches their advice and sharing their knowledge and experiences.

 

[Centerstream]

Match up - Smatch up !!! Why is Vic burying AEH on his bench in key games this season? She was good enough last season to gain major minutes and contributed greatly to their Final 4 run. What's happened??

I believe that it was posted during the game that Vic doesn't play her when he wants specific defensive efforts.
I am too lazy to go back and look through this thread but obviously there are other Keyboard Coaches that feel your pain.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

There was a critical possession down the stretch where Boston comes to help off the dribble drive and Jessika Carter gets a wide open 8 footer out of it and misses.

I think that's probably why South Carolina was not inclined to help much early in the game. I sort of wonder whether that's how Carter gets her points and perhaps rebounds most nights.

Herbert-Harrigan getting back in transition and forcing that Danberry contested pull up is one of the biggest plays of the night.

South Carolina then did a nice job forcing Rickea Jackson into a somewhat difficult shot around the foul line off dribble drive in the ensuing possession.

South Carolina getting the lead was just a poor job by Miss State of defending a screen. Looked like Rickea Jackson on Harris getting screened by Boston. Carter flashes to help then fades and Jackson is slow, slow, slow getting back to Harris and she drills a jumper.

I actually thought that South Carolina would probably lose the game after Herbert-Harrigan and Cooke took those back to back shots. Thought both were not the best decisions and it just seemed like it was going to be that kind of night. I've got this worry that South Carolina's season will end on poor decision making down the stretch of a game which probably makes me gloomy.

that was really the first contested ending of the season for South Carolina.

Really was a good game.

 

[DaBball]

I believe that it was posted during the game that Vic doesn't play here when he wants specific defensive efforts.
I am too lazy to go back and look through this thread but obviously there are other Keyboard Coaches that feel your pain.

Elite 8, but yes. She is also shooting I think like 29% from three this year, while she was pretty close to automatic near the end of the season last year.

South Carolina had a tough time containing her in Columbia last year. She doesn’t fit Vic’s offensive schemes as well as his freshmen do.

 

[DefenseBB]

It'll be interesting to see if some of the voters change their #1 and #2 picks after this close result.

You mean other than Deb Antonelli and the Oregon writer voting for Louisville 2 weeks in a row?

 

[DefenseBB]

I believe Baylor is the number 1 team in the nation. I did not see the Baylor South Carolina game but I did see you guys against UConn and West Virginia. Baylor deserves number 1 ranking IMHO.

For you, @TheFarmFan and others and all my SC brethren, I get the view that due to a perceived underwhelming victory at home against MSU (@Plebe says he had them #1 before this game) that Baylor could be viewed as the #1. However let me offer this set of evidence:
1. SC beat Baylor
2. SC is playing a significantly harder schedule with more teams really getting up for and thinking they can beat them-MSU included.
3. Baylor’s Conference is pathetic, and will offer NO teams to seriously contend with them. So each victory really doesn’t tell us anything as Baylor won’t remotely be challenged due to the poor competition.
4. I am not saying Baylor isn’t deserving, just that the evidence still points to SC having earned the #1 rank at the moment.
*5. Edited after initial post- Dawn will play anyone anywhere if they will build her team and the growth of basketball, much like Pat and Geno. Mulkey, for all her great qualities, has not embraced a tougher OOC unless she is asked (CTT or Geno or Dawn).
6.As Dawn is from Philly, it’s required to have Philly coaches own x number of weeks each year at #1...
After they lose to UConn, BU can rightfully ascend to the #1 ranking (with the previously noted exceptions of Antonelli burying her head in the sand whistling My Old Kentucky Home”).
Humbly submitted
DefenseBB

 

[Plebe]

For you, @TheFarmFan and others and all my SC brethren, I get the view that due to a perceived underwhelming victory at home against MSU (@Plebe says he had them #1 before this game) that Baylor could be viewed as the #1. However let me offer this set of evidence:
1. SC beat Baylor
2. SC is playing a significantly harder schedule with more teams really getting up for and thinking they can beat them-MSU included.
3. Baylor’s Conference is pathetic, and will offer NO teams to seriously contend with them. So each victory really doesn’t tell us anything as Baylor won’t remotely be challenged due to the poor competition.
4. I am not saying Baylor isn’t deserving, just that the evidence still points to SC having earned the #1 rank at the moment.
After they lose to UConn, BU can rightfully ascend to the #1 ranking (with the previously noted exceptions of Antonelli burying her head in the sand whistling My Old Kentucky Home”).
Humbly submitted
DefenseBB

I should clarify: I have had Baylor #1 (on my BY25 ballot) since late December because I've felt they (with Cox) are the best team. So I'm viewing their loss to SC as mitigated by Cox's absence, while a fully healthy SC dropped a game to Indiana.

In résumé terms, however, South Carolina has a far more challenging schedule (albeit very home-heavy) and, if they run the table, will earn the overall #1 seed in the tournament. Again, "best team" and "best résumé" are two separate questions.

 

[DefenseBB]

I should clarify: I have had Baylor #1 (on my BY25 ballot) since late December because I've felt they (with Cox) are the best team. So I'm viewing their loss to SC as mitigated by Cox's absence, while a fully healthy SC dropped a game to Indiana.

In résumé terms, however, South Carolina has a far more challenging schedule (albeit very home-heavy) and, if they run the table, will earn the overall #1 seed in the tournament. Again, "best team" and "best résumé" are two separate questions.

OMG, the scary thing is I knew EXACTLY why you said what you said without needing clarity! I am worried I know far too much...I have been conditioned to “Plebism”...Is there any cure?
BTW, talking about “home friendly”, take a look at the Baylor schedule. The UConn game was THE ONE road game they had against OOC....wow, just wow, 1 game on the road. That alone should incur your wrath....

 

[SECbbfan24]

SC and Baylor are 1A and 1B to me, doesn't really matter at this point.

I do think Cox on the floor is the difference between Baylor being a top 2-3 team verses just a top 10 team without her. Her ability to rebound, block shots, score, defend and create can't be replaced by anyone on the Baylor bench at this time.

I'm sure SC would be dramatically different team not having Boston out there all the time. What she brings to the team can't be said enough as well.

 

[Plebe]

OMG, the scary thing is I knew EXACTLY why you said what you said without needing clarity! I am worried I know far too much...I have been conditioned to “Plebism”...Is there any cure?
BTW, talking about “home friendly”, take a look at the Baylor schedule. The UConn game was THE ONE road game they had against OOC....wow, just wow, 1 game on the road. That alone should incur your wrath....

Ha, indeed I had pointed that out earlier to one of the overzealous Baylor fans. To be sure that's pretty offensive -- and I for one would be in favor of **requiring** all teams to play at least 3 true road games in the OOC -- but hey, they did beat UConn in Hartford, so what am I gonna say? They made it a good one.

 

[Jmsdawg]

For you, @TheFarmFan and others and all my SC brethren, I get the view that due to a perceived underwhelming victory at home against MSU (@Plebe says he had them #1 before this game) that Baylor could be viewed as the #1. However let me offer this set of evidence:
1. SC beat Baylor
2. SC is playing a significantly harder schedule with more teams really getting up for and thinking they can beat them-MSU included.
3. Baylor’s Conference is pathetic, and will offer NO teams to seriously contend with them. So each victory really doesn’t tell us anything as Baylor won’t remotely be challenged due to the poor competition.
4. I am not saying Baylor isn’t deserving, just that the evidence still points to SC having earned the #1 rank at the moment.
*5. Edited after initial post- Dawn will play anyone anywhere if they will build her team and the growth of basketball, much like Pat and Geno. Mulkey, for all her great qualities, has not embraced a tougher OOC unless she is asked (CTT or Geno or Dawn).
6.As Dawn is from Philly, it’s required to have Philly coaches own x number of weeks each year at #1...
After they lose to UConn, BU can rightfully ascend to the #1 ranking (with the previously noted exceptions of Antonelli burying her head in the sand whistling My Old Kentucky Home”).
Humbly submitted
DefenseBB

Do not disagree with your analysis and I believe South Carolina should be the number 1 seed for the Big Dance if both Baylor and South Carolina go undefeated for the remaining games, however based upon what I have seen Baylor has the best team. Just my opinion and I am no expert just a fan who loves WBB.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Another comment, as of today I consider Baylor and South Carolina to be top two teams in WBB but if the tournament were today I would still pick Oregon to win it all, my reason Ionescu!

 

[SECbbfan24]

???

 

[Mulder]

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I see S Carolina has over 13,000 in attendance yesterday. Well done. How are ticket prices down there for games? I assume they are they same $20+ we pay up here.

I have season tickets and mine are about $280 apiece. I really don't pay attention to how much individual tickets cost, but I know it varies by game. South Carolina is a poor state, I'm sure our tickets are cheaper than yours, plus football and SEC TV money pays for everything else, basically. My season football tickets are about $800 apiece.

Edit: I checked; individual reserved seats (Lower Level) are $25, $20 or $12; upper deck are GA and less expensive.

 

[Plebe]

I see S Carolina has over 13,000 in attendance yesterday. Well done. How are ticket prices down there for games? I assume they are they same $20+ we pay up here.

UConn's price points for WBB tickets are known to be relatively high.

I found this on the South Carolina website:

It would be interesting to know how many programs out there charge a "UConn premium" like this.
(cc: @DefenseBB )

 

[901dawgfan]

A good place to talk women's college basketball huh....I can dig it. MSU fan who was proud of how we played against USC but was disappointed in the late game execution with the lead. I think Myah Taylor's days are numbered as the starting point guard, well they should be anyway but you never can tell with Vic. Jessika Carter is a sweet kid but she needs to grow up and get mentally stronger if the dawgs hope to reach it's full potential.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I was not concerned with whether Baylor or South Carolina was #1 before. I thought it was probably better if Baylor got the ranking really, though I think South Carolina is more than deserving in a resume based ranking.

I'll be irritated though if South Carolina gets dropped for getting pushed in a victory over a top 10 team while Baylor blew out teams that it should blow out.

 

[domerduck]

UConn's price points for WBB tickets are known to be relatively high.

I found this on the South Carolina website:

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It would be interesting to know how many programs out there charge a "UConn premium" like this.
(cc: @DefenseBB )

At Oregon it was near impossible to get GA tix for their biggesrt demnd game (Oregon State) unless you bought season tickets. It's sold out. Stanford was close to a sellout and I had to pat $45 for 2 tix including fees the week of the game. They got 12,218 for that game.

 

[DefenseBB]

Sorry about the delay on this post and again the scary thing is I am currently compiling the "UConn attendance boost" data on teams, conference and OOC, and what increases they have when they play UConn. I had started trying to look at price points of "regular games" vs. "premium games" and as @domerduck noted, certain schools package games as part of bulk or season tickets. Even UConn this held the Baylor and ND game seats as separate sales. I am curious to hear from the SC fans on pricing over the past 3 years as I had thought the "Youth tickets" were $1-3 price points as to why they averaged 13,000+ for quite a few years and last year that went down to 10,000+ and I saw the ticket prices increase slightly but not sure when. I wasn't sure if the dip was to pricing or that last year's team was not as good as prior with A'ja.

It's been an interesting discussion I have come across on numerous article about what prominent schools should do on pricing. The discussion usually falls into 2 main camps with minor decisions after that:
1a. Is you program trying to grow based on the team getting better and playing better? Then you lower the prices, offer group discounts to schools and organizations. Recognize the organizations during the games.
1b. Is your program already established with a base who want to see your games? Raise the prices to maximize the income while balancing the attendance.
2.Is your venue on campus where you control the food and beverage sales?
a. If yes, then lower the prices to get fans and make money on popcorn, soda, programs and food.
b. If no, (like the XL Center) then keep the prices for premium seats high for the non-boosters or available for the booster who contributes a certain level. Put the GA as needed to cover the cost of the venue and get fans in.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Sorry about the delay on this post and again the scary thing is I am currently compiling the "UConn attendance boost" data on teams, conference and OOC, and what increases they have when they play UConn. I had started trying to look at price points of "regular games" vs. "premium games" and as @domerduck noted, certain schools package games as part of bulk or season tickets. Even UConn this held the Baylor and ND game seats as separate sales. I am curious to hear from the SC fans on pricing over the past 3 years as I had thought the "Youth tickets" were $1-3 price points as to why they averaged 13,000+ for quite a few years and last year that went down to 10,000+ and I saw the ticket prices increase slightly but not sure when. I wasn't sure if the dip was to pricing or that last year's team was not as good as prior with A'ja.

It's been an interesting discussion I have come across on numerous article about what prominent schools should do on pricing. The discussion usually falls into 2 main camps with minor decisions after that:
1a. Is you program trying to grow based on the team getting better and playing better? Then you lower the prices, offer group discounts to schools and organizations. Recognize the organizations during the games.
1b. Is your program already established with a base who want to see your games? Raise the prices to maximize the income while balancing the attendance.
2.Is your venue on campus where you control the food and beverage sales?
a. If yes, then lower the prices to get fans and make money on popcorn, soda, programs and food.
b. If no, (like the XL Center) then keep the prices for premium seats high for the non-boosters or available for the booster who contributes a certain level. Put the GA as needed to cover the cost of the venue and get fans in.

As far as South Carolina is concerned:

1a. Prices have gone up gradually over the last 5 or 6 years. Tickets used to be very inexpensive. Many season tickets also require Gamecock Club membership.

1b. This

2. Yes, and beer and wine sales at basketball games have started now that the SEC removed that restriction. I've enjoyed being able to have a beer or two at a game.

2a. No, concessions prices are high and parking is generally $10 if you're too lazy to walk. I park 4 or 5 blocks away, for free, and walk. We do have free parking available elsewhere on campus and an inexpensive shuttle.