Mississippi St (10) @ Marquette - 11/25/19

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Mississippi St box score

 

[Plebe]

She is a very effective player doing the things she does well. However she is equally inept in other areas, specifically sagging off her man too much on the perimeter and any shot outside the free throw line.

Vic has been a master at assembling formidable teams by leveraging his players' strengths and minimizing their weaknesses. This team will be no different.

 

[IWearShoes]

The cupcake speeches are old and tired. Everybody plays cupcakes. Everybody.

MSU played tons of cupcakes the last 3 years and still found it's way to 2 Championship games and an Elite Eight. Obviously something is gained in those games.

 

[IWearShoes]

Mississippi St box score
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The lack of rebounding outside of Carter is very worrying. AEH getting criticism here, but she's actually the 3rd leading rebounder with 2 (yeah, 2).

Jessika goes 4-13 and I don't think she took a shot more than 5 feet from the rim. Rough night shooting for State.

 

[Plebe]

The cupcake speeches are old and tired. Everybody plays cupcakes. Everybody.

MSU played tons of cupcakes the last 3 years and still found it's way to 2 Championship games and an Elite Eight. Obviously something is gained in those games.

Except Mississippi State plays more than most, as documented elsewhere.

You've found one way to spin it. Another way would be to note that MSU keeps losing to teams with much better OOC strengths of schedule.

2017 nonconference SOS:
MSU: #80
South Carolina: #11

2018:
MSU: #32
Notre Dame: #2

2019:
MSU: #78
Oregon: #22

 

[militarydog]

Vic has been a master at assembling formidable teams by leveraging his players' strengths and minimizing their weaknesses. This team will be no different.

I don’t disagree. However this year similar to last season his steadiest backcourt consists of two players that are great defenders but with no range. Marquette was clogging the middle with them in the game. Against top teams that is going to cause serious issues. If MSU is going anywhere in the tournament A Matharu and/or Mingo-Young have to be able to give serious minutes if needed. Both are much better three point shooters.

 

[SECbbfan24]

MSU played tons of cupcakes the last 3 years and still found it's way to 2 Championship games and an Elite Eight. Obviously something is gained in those games.

Biggest difference is this team's foundation is a bunch of inexperienced freshmen and sophomores while past years MSU had very veteran senior teams.


But lets be honest. Vic typically schedules much weaker OOC schedules compared to most teams and especially for a top 10 program. MSU will be really really good by the end of the year but they probably won't progress as fast playing weaker competition.

 

[MSUFan2003]

I agree that were probably overrated right now. They found a way to win, which is important. This team is searching for offensive chemistry. Several players taking bad shots or playing one on one. The rebounding is a concern.

There is a lot of talent on this team that hasn't played together, hasn't been challenged, and is inexperienced. A lot to clean up but a lot to feel good about going forward. This year will be a learning year. Vic will probably be pulling his hair out most of the time.

 

[SECbbfan24]

f MSU is going anywhere in the tournament A Matharu and/or Mingo-Young have to be able to give serious minutes if needed. Both are much better three point shooters.

I was really surprised Matharu didn't get more minutes tonight. After taking a couple bad shots Vic sat her the entire game essentially.

 

[militarydog]

I was really surprised Matharu didn't get more minutes tonight. After taking a couple bad shots Vic sat her the entire game essentially.

I didn’t take it as anything in particular she did wrong as much as he needed a steadier hand.

 

[DaBball]

Except Mississippi State plays more than most, as documented elsewhere.

You've found one way to spin it. Another way would be to note that MSU keeps losing to teams with much better OOC strengths of schedule.

2017 nonconference SOS:
MSU: #80
South Carolina: #11

2018:
MSU: #32
Notre Dame: #2

2019:
MSU: #78
Oregon: #22

Eh, UConn keeps losing to teams with worse OOC SOS teams, so maybe it doesn’t have that much impact?

 

[Plebe]

Eh, UConn keeps losing to teams with worse OOC SOS teams, so maybe it doesn’t have that much impact?

Haha that's funny. UConn has lost exactly 5 games in the past 3 years. Four of those were against teams that played better nonconference schedules or had higher overall SOS. The lone exception was MSU in 2017.

To quantify:
Notre Dame 2018: #2 nonconference SOS, #1 overall SOS
UConn 2018: #1 nonconference SOS, #3 overall SOS
Baylor 2019: #4 nonconference SOS, #2 overall SOS
Louisville 2019: #15 nonconference SOS, #6 overall SOS
Notre Dame 2019: #1 nonconference SOS, #1 overall SOS
UConn 2019: #31 nonconference SOS, #30 overall SOS

How many games has Mississippi State lost in the past 3 years?

 

[militarydog]

There were a few pretty big takeaways from tonight. We saw the rotation tighten with the core of the five starters plus A Espinoza-Hunter and X Wiggins as the major players. At the end of the game when X Wiggins and R Jackson were playing defense as combo forwards R Jackson really stepped up with drives to the basket. X Wiggins and R Jackson are very long, athletic and versatile defenders.

 

[DaBball]

Haha that's funny. UConn has lost exactly 5 games in the past 3 years. Four of those were against teams that played respectable nonconference schedules and had overall high SOS. The lone exception was MSU in 2017.

How many games has Mississippi State lost in the past 3 years?

I was talking about in the NCAAT, which was why I said “keeps,” but Geno’s tough OOC schedules didn’t help him win any more close NCAAT games then Vic’s weak schedules did.

 

[Plebe]

I was talking about in the NCAAT, which was why I said “keeps,” but Geno’s tough OOC schedules didn’t help him win any more close NCAAT games then Vic’s weak schedules did.

As I edited my post above to reflect, last year Geno had a weaker OOC schedule than all 3 of the teams he lost to. And Notre Dame's OOC in 2018 was the equal of UConn's.

 

[DaBball]

As I edited my post above to reflect, last year Geno had a weaker OOC schedule than all 3 of the teams he lost to. And Notre Dame's OOC in 2018 was the equal of UConn's.

I would say MSST looked just about as battle-tested against ND in 2018 as UConn did, despite Mississippi State playing a far worse OOC schedule than UConn, and being a far less talented team.

I would say the same about both’s losses in the E8 and FF.

 

[DefenseBB]

The cupcake speeches are old and tired. Everybody plays cupcakes. Everybody.

MSU played tons of cupcakes the last 3 years and still found it's way to 2 Championship games and an Elite Eight. Obviously something is gained in those games.

Last time I checked, this was a UConn board where our team plays a real OOC, always had and always will. It is also a team that has made 12 FINAL FOURS in a row, regardless of players graduating, that’s 3 full graduating classes of players. You want to tout how your team with McCown made two Final Fours. Let’s see if MSU can make another Final Four without McCowan in the next four years, let alone 2 or 3.
So yes, as long as other teams come on this site and tout stats against pathetic teams and take umbrage when these facts are brought to light we will point out flaws in your logic. Don’t like, go to your site and complain but don’t be upset on here that your feelings are hurt.

 

[GoDawgs4]

Marquette shoots almost 50% from the field (twos and threes) out-rebounds State, is playing at Home, State shoots 35% from the field (25% from three point land). However, State shot 87% from the FT line on the road. That is impressive for a relatively young team. If Marquette was going to beat State, tonight should have been that opportunity to cash in but they did not. 28 turnovers by Marquette was another big issue for them as well.
I see some of you on here love to criticize Coach Schaefer and the Dawgs and that is okay. You are entitled to your opinion. At the end of the game it was a big W for State. This team grew up some tonight and will continue to get better as the season moves along. They learned tonight how to scrap their way to a win on the road. It is easy to win when the shots are falling, not so much when you are throwing up clunkers. When shots are not falling you have to persevere and that is what the Dawgs did tonight.

 

[DaBball]

Last time I checked, this was a UConn board where our team plays a real OOC, always had and always will. It is also a team that has made 12 FINAL FOURS in a row, regardless of players graduating, that’s 3 full graduating classes of players. You want to tout how your team with McCown made two Final Fours. Let’s see if MSU can make another Final Four without McCowan in the next four years, let alone 2 or 3.
So yes, as long as other teams come on this site and tout stats against pathetic teams and take umbrage when these facts are brought to light we will point out flaws in your logic. Don’t like, go to your site and complain but don’t be upset on here that your feelings are hurt.

As @Lorcan posted yesterday, UConn had quite a few cupcakes back in the day (from 12-13):

“#164 College of Charleston
#161 Wake Forest
#236 Colgate
#292 Oakland
#255 Oregon”

 

[SECbbfan24]

Vic Schaefer won his 200th game tonight at MSU in his seventh season. 200-56 is his overall record at State. Coach Vic Schaefer becomes the second-fastest coach to reach 200 wins at an SEC program!

I saw these pics online I thought was cool to see. You can see they have a great relationship with Coach Vic. Its always fun to see what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[militarydog]

I think she is a strong shooter when she actually takes good shots.

She is in no way comparable to Vivian's who is the total package. Miss St keeping her stretched on the wings every play in the corner essentially.

She is. not elite or great defensively but she has improved a lot there. Miss St uses her essentially as a spot up shooter. Sometimes her shooting is good enough to take over games, at other times its not there at all. She is a good little player from a offensive perspective. She will never take over a game with her ball handling, defense or rebounding. But she will provide you with some scoring punch.

Would pay a lot of money to have her at LSU. She would be the only kid on our team that could shoot anything 5 feet out from the basket.

In contrast I would love to have A Mitchell on this year’s MSU team. Her strengths, rebounding, toughness, and defense, are greatly needed.

 

[IWearShoes]

Last time I checked, this was a UConn board where our team plays a real OOC, always had and always will. It is also a team that has made 12 FINAL FOURS in a row, regardless of players graduating, that’s 3 full graduating classes of players. You want to tout how your team with McCown made two Final Fours. Let’s see if MSU can make another Final Four without McCowan in the next four years, let alone 2 or 3.
So yes, as long as other teams come on this site and tout stats against pathetic teams and take umbrage when these facts are brought to light we will point out flaws in your logic. Don’t like, go to your site and complain but don’t be upset on here that your feelings are hurt.

Really, just chill out. I'm in a thread about a Mississippi State game. I'm not all over your board touting anything. The strength of schedule is a constant and pointless drumbeat IMO, so I said that. Your response is over the top.

 

[SECbbfan24]

Let’s see if MSU can make another Final Four without McCowan in the next four years, let alone 2 or 3.

Putting the screaming, yelling and bleeding over the OOC scheduling stuff aside


They may not make another final four in the next three or four years, or they may make some. That said people don't understand how hard it is to win or attract top talent to a school like MSU in Starkville. The job the coaches have down there is truly remarkable and can't be understated.

MSU will never have all the titles and accolades that UCONN has or match that but they have a damn fine program with great coaches.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Marquette shoots almost 50% from the field (twos and threes) out-rebounds State, is playing at Home, State shoots 35% from the field (25% from three point land). However, State shot 87% from the FT line on the road. That is impressive for a relatively young team. If Marquette was going to beat State, tonight should have been that opportunity to cash in but they did not. 28 turnovers by Marquette was another big issue for them as well.
I see some of you on here love to criticize Coach Schaefer and the Dawgs and that is okay. You are entitled to your opinion. At the end of the game it was a big W for State. This team grew up some tonight and will continue to get better as the season moves along. They learned tonight how to scrap their way to a win on the road. It is easy to win when the shots are falling, not so much when you are throwing up clunkers. When shots are not falling you have to persevere and that is what the Dawgs did tonight.

We were throwing up a ton of clunkers because Marquette committed stronger players to the paint and took away a lot of our leeway, and suddenly we were all shooting shots from an uncomfortable spot/position/angle.

It's definitely true that playing Troy and Jackson State is why you're gonna have games like this. Their paint players are far weaker than Marquette's. Things can change fast once competition is much better.

Still, I agree with most MSU fans that this was a good day in MSU athletics. Not only did Vic get his 200th win, but he proves that there's absolutely nobody that can blow him out (except UConn in 2016). But we were still not that good in 2016, so....

P.S. hope that doesn't end up jinxing him.

 

[Plebe]

Really, just chill out. I'm in a thread about a Mississippi State game. I'm not all over your board touting anything. The strength of schedule is a constant and pointless drumbeat IMO, so I said that. Your response is over the top.

That's funny, because "constant and pointless" pretty aptly summarizes the posts we got last year from MSU fans (a) crowing about how they would thump Oregon in the first game, (b) giving excuses about why the first loss to Oregon was a fluke, and (c) crowing about how they would thump Oregon in the rematch.

 

[militarydog]

Putting the screaming, yelling and bleeding over the OOC scheduling stuff aside


They may not make another final four in the next three or four years, or they may make some. That said people don't understand how hard it is to win or attract top talent to a school like MSU in Starkville. The job the coaches have down there is truly remarkable and can't be understated.

Yeah, when a poster completely devolves into a generalized tantrum it becomes completely unproductive. I completely understand this is UConn’s board and respect the hypersensitivity of some posters on the main board. However I’m a little surprised by it here.

That said, I think MSU will have a lot of growing pains. They lack a lot of toughness on rebounding and they are limited offensively in the backcourt as they were last season. M Taylor and J Danberry are great defenders and ball handlers but their lack of range is going to cause a lot of issues. A Matharu needs to develop into a consistent player. If so it completely changes the post season outlook.

 

[Plebe]

As @Lorcan posted yesterday, UConn had quite a few cupcakes back in the day (from 12-13):

“#164 College of Charleston
#161 Wake Forest
#236 Colgate
#292 Oakland
#255 Oregon”

Ah, how we love to cherry-pick our evidence.

Those 5 cupcake games were more than counterbalanced by the quality games on UConn's OOC schedule, including:

• #1 Baylor
• #3 Stanford
• #5 Duke
• #6 Penn State
• #10 Texas A&M
• #12 Maryland
• #14 Purdue

UConn's nonconference SOS that year was #5 and overall SOS was #2.

When was the last time Vic scheduled 7 top-15 teams in a season?
Has he even scheduled 7 top-15 teams in his entire career?

In addition, the Big East in 2013 was amazingly strong, sending 3 teams to the Final Four.

 

[GoDawgs4]

That's funny, because "constant and pointless" pretty aptly summarizes the posts we got last year from MSU fans (a) crowing about how they would thump Oregon in the first game, (b) giving lame excuses about why the first loss to Oregon was a fluke, and (c) crowing about how they would thump Oregon in the rematch.

Not sure who you are talking about. I never said anything about thumping Oregon and don’t think too many other State fans did either. Much respect for the Oregon program. No lame excuse here. We lost twice to a team that was a little bit better than us last year.

 

[IWearShoes]

That's funny, because "constant and pointless" pretty aptly summarizes the posts we got last year from MSU fans (a) crowing about how they would thump Oregon in the first game, (b) giving lame excuses about why the first loss to Oregon was a fluke, and (c) crowing about how they would thump Oregon in the rematch.

Maybe address those feelings with the posters who said that. I certainly didn't.

The generalizing of all MSU fans on this board as the same person is old and tired too.

 

[militarydog]

For those that watched the broadcast I just heard the announcers were Marquette announcers. I guess I didn’t think about it as they were excellent.