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Miss State's New Coach

bballnut90 said:
Not trying to tear down Starkville, but first 2 searches of SEC college towns ranked both have Starkville as dead last. Academics aren't strong, and they've never won a team championship in any sport. Women's basketball has thrived under Vic, both in team results and fans in attendance, so these factors are clearly not a huge deterrent but it does create more hurdles for Mississippi State's new coaching staff to overcome compared to other P5 programs.
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Seeing those list that rank the SEC towns/cities is a bit of a joke. Yes I know they always rank Starkvegas #14. That is fine but for the most part they are very much apples and oranges.
I have been to most of them and you can divide them into three categories.

First Group-Metropolitan areas
Nashville (good city and area but not without its problems), Knoxville (another decent city but it has its share of blight as well), Lexington (nice city and I enjoy going there), Columbia, SC (capital city with some good perks but is still a clogged up urban area), Baton Rouge (dirty nasty city on the river).

Medium sized areas-Tuscaloosa (still a lot of run down areas though it has improved some in the recent years), Fayetteville (nice area, beautiful scenery, deserves the accolades it receives), College Station (again a nice area though it may be approaching the size that takes it out of the charming area and close to a metro area), Gainesville (really nothing special about it and the UF campus is nothing to write home about), Columbia, MO (not too bad but is an outpost when you look at it on the map as compared to the rest of the SEC).

Small Communities - Athens (lots of charm, a very nice area which has a seen a lot of growth but so far has not lost its charm), Auburn (nice small city that still has a warm personality), Oxford (small and still charming-has grown tremendously-but is still a few years away from being just another blob of a city with a university), Starkvegas (small and still lives at a slow pace but has grown slowly over the last thirty years).
 
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HailHoops said:
I totally agree. I think she was interested in being the head coach of THIS team, but I know she’s been approached about other jobs in the time she’s been at State, and hasn’t wanted to interview. I know that for a fact. Johnnie is an incredible person, and a fantastic positional coach and role model. I just think it would take a lot to get her to leave Vic and run her own show. They are so much better together. Of that staff, Dee Jackson-Durrett has the personality of a head coach, and will probably do it one day.
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Is she following Vic to Texas? If not, then something seems completely amiss on all this postulating. We UConn fans certainly know and respect any Assistant/Associate Head Coach who wants to stay with the same program they helped build and/or follow their "partner in crime" if the head coach were to leave....so as long as Johnnie is happy, who are any of us to argue? :)
 
DefenseBB said:
Is she following Vic to Texas? If not, then something seems completely amiss on all this postulating. We UConn fans certainly know and respect any Assistant/Associate Head Coach who wants to stay with the same program they helped build and/or follow their "partner in crime" if the head coach were to leave....so as long as Johnnie is happy, who are any of us to argue? :)
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She is following Vic to Texas.
 
DefenseBB said:
Is she following Vic to Texas? If not, then something seems completely amiss on all this postulating. We UConn fans certainly know and respect any Assistant/Associate Head Coach who wants to stay with the same program they helped build and/or follow their "partner in crime" if the head coach were to leave....so as long as Johnnie is happy, who are any of us to argue? :)
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Last report she is going to Texas to continue as the associate head coach.
 
militarydog said:
Last report she is going to Texas to continue as the associate head coach.
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I am glad for her. She and Coach make a good duo. That seems to be her comfort zone.
 
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They were trying to pay her 750k a year and get a non-compete?

I take it the non-compete didn't fly at that number.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
They were trying to pay her 750k a year and get a non-compete?

I take it the non-compete didn't fly at that number.
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Either way, she gets a 200% raise. Her job now is to "maintain" if not exceed what Vic built.

As far as that non-compete, wonder how Kellie Jolly-Harper feels about McCray basically saying she wants to be the UT-K head coach in the future (since KJH won't last) . . .
 
I’m intrigued how well McCray will be able to recruit down at MSU. MSU in recent years has had more influx of talent due to recent success.
 
SECbbfan24 said:
I’m intrigued how well McCray will be able to recruit down at MSU. MSU in recent years has had more influx of talent due to recent success.
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I’ll be interested to see who, if anyone, she adds this spring. While she obviously recruited high caliber players at South Carolina recruiting for the past three years at Old Dominion had to be a totally different animal. Hopefully she can pull in good assitant coaches and support staff. Her pick as a top assistant will be key.
 
Out of curiosity, does Dawn have any other P5 coaches from her coaching tree or is Nikki the first?
 
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DefenseBB said:
Out of curiosity, does Dawn have any other P5 coaches from her coaching tree or is Nikki the first?
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Not from South Carolina that I can think of.

She's actually had 6 full time assistants here in total.

Boyer
McCray --> Law,
Carla McGee -> Darius Taylor --> Fred Chmiel.

McCray left for head coaching job.

Taylor resigned when Joni got the UGA head job.

Not sure why McGee left. It was early on and she ended up back at Auburn.
 
oldude said:
How about, based on her experience at TN as a player and SC as an assistant, she understands what it takes to WIN in the SEC?
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I think everyone knows what it takes to win in the SEC. The same things it takes to win anywhere in any sport. Get good players and do a good job at coaching them. Schaefer could coach them. And he was beginning to get good players. I think that part continues, but can Nikki coach? That is the question. I personally don't think our coaching was all that great at South Carolina while Nikki was there. It's gotten better recently. Maybe it's more of a matter of the players being more easy to coach now? Not too sure, so we'll see.
 
ReadR00ster said:
I think everyone knows what it takes to win in the SEC. The same things it takes to win anywhere in any sport. Get good players and do a good job at coaching them. Schaefer could coach them. And he was beginning to get good players. I think that part continues, but can Nikki coach? That is the question. I personally don't think our coaching was all that great at South Carolina while Nikki was there. It's gotten better recently. Maybe it's more of a matter of the players being more easy to coach now? Not too sure, so we'll see.
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So you’re suggesting that Nikki McCray had little or nothing to do with building the successful WBB program at SC?
 
ReadR00ster said:
I think everyone knows what it takes to win in the SEC. The same things it takes to win anywhere in any sport. Get good players and do a good job at coaching them. Schaefer could coach them. And he was beginning to get good players. I think that part continues, but can Nikki coach? That is the question. I personally don't think our coaching was all that great at South Carolina while Nikki was there. It's gotten better recently. Maybe it's more of a matter of the players being more easy to coach now? Not too sure, so we'll see.
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I could of sworn we won a National title and went to two final fours while Nikki was at SC.
 
ReadR00ster said:
I think everyone knows what it takes to win in the SEC. The same things it takes to win anywhere in any sport. Get good players and do a good job at coaching them. Schaefer could coach them. And he was beginning to get good players. I think that part continues, but can Nikki coach? That is the question. I personally don't think our coaching was all that great at South Carolina while Nikki was there. It's gotten better recently. Maybe it's more of a matter of the players being more easy to coach now? Not too sure, so we'll see.
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Maybe also Dawn is bringing in more great players and has evolved as a coach. She isn’t sitting back just doing the same stuff ever year. Great coaches adjusts and evolve to get better.

the jury is obviously still out on Nikki as a coach but what is known is she’s a players coach, she connects with everyone (recruits, parents, HS coaches), which is probably why many value her as a recruiter. Her background speaks for itself. This is her golden opportunity to prove herself as a coach at MSU. she is taking over a pretty stacked team that was very youthful last year.
 
SECbbfan24 said:
Maybe also Dawn is bringing in more great players and has evolved as a coach. She isn’t sitting back just doing the same stuff ever year. Great coaches adjusts and evolve to get better.

the jury is obviously still out on Nikki as a coach but what is known is she’s a players coach, she connects with everyone (recruits, parents, HS coaches), which is probably why many value her as a recruiter. Her background speaks for itself. This is her golden opportunity to prove herself as a coach at MSU. she is taking over a pretty stacked team that was very youthful last year.
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I remember when she hired Melanie Balcomb as an offensive consultant. But, then Balcomb left for another school (Texas Tech?). Did she hire a replacement from Balcomb? Don't recall the timeline and if Balcomb was part of the national championsship season at USC.
 
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SECbbfan24 said:
Maybe also Dawn is bringing in more great players and has evolved as a coach. She isn’t sitting back just doing the same stuff ever year. Great coaches adjusts and evolve to get better.

the jury is obviously still out on Nikki as a coach but what is known is she’s a players coach, she connects with everyone (recruits, parents, HS coaches), which is probably why many value her as a recruiter. Her background speaks for itself. This is her golden opportunity to prove herself as a coach at MSU. she is taking over a pretty stacked team that was very youthful last year.
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Her hiring a veteran coach like Coach K Freeman was a great move at Old Dominion and I’m happy to see her bring him to Mississippi State. I think you had also mentioned it previously but she appears to be very active on social media and engaging to recruits. Coach McCray-Penson’s record at Old Dominion got better by year.
In the SEC I’m more curious as to how she does in her first year against Arkansas and Kentucky than South Carolina. Both Coach Neighbors and Coach Mitchell would love to be able to bloody her nose early.
Overall I still think the biggest issue she will have to overcome quickly is making up ground on recruiting the elite level players. If A James or a similar player commits to her this early in the game then that is a big step for her.
 
ReadR00ster said:
I think everyone knows what it takes to win in the SEC. The same things it takes to win anywhere in any sport. Get good players and do a good job at coaching them. Schaefer could coach them. And he was beginning to get good players. I think that part continues, but can Nikki coach? That is the question. I personally don't think our coaching was all that great at South Carolina while Nikki was there. It's gotten better recently. Maybe it's more of a matter of the players being more easy to coach now? Not too sure, so we'll see.
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Better players make coaching look better.

It's hard to make an offense look good with 2-3 players without much of an offensive skill set.
 
shiverz45 said:
I could of sworn we won a National title and went to two final fours while Nikki was at SC.
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"we won a National title and went to two final fours"....?? My math must be off, not counting the Championship year, and 2014-15, when was that other Final Four?
 
Have to say that Pat has a pretty decent coaching tree.
 
Jim R said:
"we won a National title and went to two final fours"....?? My math must be off, not counting the Championship year, and 2014-15, when was that other Final Four?
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I think Shiverz45 meant the Final Four in 2014-15 and the one where they then went on the NCAA championship.
 
Hmmm...OK...just wanted to make sure my "old Math" was correct. When discussing achievements (especially those we are fond of), there are times when a bit of exaggeration gets in the way...just looking for accuracy.
 
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Again, I am confused how this warrants the UConn page of the forum vs. General Basketball section...SMH...
 
DefenseBB said:
Again, I am confused how this warrants the UConn page of the forum vs. General Basketball section...SMH...
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This thread has been on the general forum over a week, it was started on main board and moved.
 
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