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OMFG - enough is enough.

There's nothing in common between ESPN as a startup and NBCS as a startup? Really?

How about the fact that they both needed CONTENT when they started.

I am very surprised that someone who's first job out of college was with ESPN conveniently forgets the fact that the network routinely featured Australian Rules football and slow pitch softball when it started out.

Are you arguing that the NBE doesn't provide better content than Aussie Rules football and slow pitch softball?

You seem hell bent on comparing the NBE with the other major conferences. This argument is inherently flawed, because the NBE doesn't have to outdraw these conferences. NBCS can't sign these other conferences - they're locked up already.

So, the argument becomes this: NBCS needs content, and they need a lot of it. Is NBCS better served securing the NBE as a way to secure lots of content and build up its college football and basketball presence (to be expanded later as other conferences become available), or is NBCS better served keeping costs down by marketing fishing shows and demolition derbies to niche audiences?

I don't claim to know the answer to that question, but I'm damned sure that NBCS does, and I sure as hell believe that Paul Tagliabue does.


Its different for the simple reason that all the attractive properties are locked up. ESPN as it grew did not have to compete with themselves. They were creating something that didn't exist, they weren't trying to compete with something that already dominates the landscape.

Yeah ESPN had terrible programming at first. To get where they are now they had MLB, NHL, NBA, NASCAR, NFL, every major college sports league, the Masters, grand slam tennis, MLS, the World Cup and did things like turn the NFL draft into a 3 day ratings bonanza.

If you've ever looked at the ratings and noticed that on Thursday nights which NBC owned for decades they now are outrated by Pawn Stars on cable you might not be so confident in their abilities.
 
Do you know what it would take for that statement to be true? I have seen some arguments on my short time in the Boneyard that would make his post look like Gospel! The stupidest argument in the history of the Boneyard would sound something like this, "The Sun will not rise tomorrow because my cat has gray hair and Dominos Pizza took over a half hour to deliver." Yes, that is indeed the stupidest argument in the history of the Boneyard.....because I don't have a cat....:eek:

Um, no. I'm going with "So do you think that I should paid $900 for a love potion."
 
Could be wrong, but I don't think recruits really talk about who's broadcasting the games. or which network owns the conference rights.
Probably not, but the do know if and when a potential school is on television and they certainly think that it would be pretty cool to be on the field during those games.
 
Actually my first job out of college was at ESPN, but it was 15 years ago and I got out of TV immediately after. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a plant by the folks in Providence, your opinion of them is strikingly ridiculous.

Don't worry, I understand your regional plan - you keep saying this is what the NFL does. This is nothing like what the NFL does. The NFL uses 5 different outlets (NBC, CBS, ESPN, FOX, NFLN) and except for a few exceptions (Opening week, Thanksgiving week) none of them broadcasts more than 2 games in a week and in most weeks only 1 of the 5 broadcasts in multiple time slots.

I will agree with you on one thing - I think a lot of this sucks. NBC sucks. Being in a football league with Temple, Houston, SMU and San Diego State sucks beyond belief. Being in a league with Memphis is ridiculous to the point of being completely absurd.

It's great to sit and fantasize about a scheme like this. You continue to ignore the most important thing. There aren't any compelling matchups. Zero. The games suck. At a school like Houston, their own alumni care more about a half dozen other schools than their own. Temple students don't go to games as a badge of honor. Memphis. Where does one even begin with Memphis.

From the UConn BOT vote to officially upgrade football to 1-A in October 1997 until Vice Admiral Miller voiced his support of the Big East conferenceand clearly outlined how and why the big east is to be the first conference affiliation of the storied tradition of Navy Football - during all fo that time I've wanted out of the Big East conference, becuase Providence leadership was upside down with their priorities, and I wasn't really sure it was fixed - until the Naval Academy came on board. I don't think I can ever be in the same room with Mike Tranghese. I'd have to be restrained from decking him I think.

I've said all along, in all of my rantings, that a Big East conference, that has it's priorities straight around the importance of football over basketball when it comes to stability in the intercollegiate landscape - is where I want to be, and if they don't have their priorities straight - I want out. THe big east leadership didn't make the big east basketball conference what it has become by accident - they know what they're doing when it comes to athletics.

As for the NFL, well you comments tell me that I"m discussing this with an amateur.

ESPN is a monster of company in sports broadcasting that has a very fundamental problem in it's business structure, well two of them. The first is the conflict of interest thing in reporting news on the same thing they are investing in. The second is that the business model is set up basically, in the shotgun approach to hitting a target.

(i.e. you want to hit a wider area, you use a bigger shotgun pellet spread.........for ESPN - that means adding more channels to broadcast sports. It started with ESPN2....and they've never changed their approach. College sports - push ESPNU. ESPN Classic. ESPN news......etc. etc.

What they repeatedly run into - and UConn was a pawn in it for awhile - was having to force television router/providers to carry more and more channels on their basic packages.

(i.e. if uconn football was to be on TV in CT........you either had to upgrade your basic television service to a higher price package to get the additional espn channels.....and so on.

Same problem all over the country for ESPN, and it's the reason they've never been able to make a play for the NFL. The NFL has worked for 40+ years in broadcasting, such that when you've got a schedule of say a dozen games happening simultaneouslyacross the country, the fans local to a region where their local team is from, watch the local team, and they're all watchign the same channel on TV - but different events.

It's an entirely different structure to reach coast to coast than what ESPN has. For ESPN to broadcast 12 football games in a single day and reach all the local audiences, they'd need 12 ESPN channels on the basic services coast to coast to handle it, or need to start moving games to different days.

If anyone in CT is not a NYG, NYJ, or NEPats fan - and don't pay to have the direct TV service package, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When the Gmen are on, and you want to watch the niners at the same time, you're getting the giants game.

The big east, coast to coast right now, with the right broadcasting structure / framework to schedule and broadcast.....has the potential to go the sniper single shot single kill into every region/market were in the country right now, and do it on the same day - college football saturday.

As noted elsewhere. THe Big east doesn't need to be the top viewership draw / presence in every market from day 1. THe big east just needs to be on TV, and easily accessible, and advertised in the markets - as many as possible - at the same time.

ESPN is going to have to change their entire structure to handle something like that - and if they ever do - they will get the NFL. I just don't see how it's possible at this time to do it.
 
ESPN does regional broadcasts on Saturday nights though. ABC shows regional games and they do reverse mirrors on ESPN and ESPN2. So people watching ESPN and ESPN2 in different parts of the country are watching different games. It was annoying when they couldn't do HD on the different broadcasts but I thought they fixed that last year.

Wouldn't most people prefer multiple stations and choosing the game they watch anyway instead of having the network pick it for them? That is why the NFL cleans up on the DTV deal.
 
ESPN does regional broadcasts on Saturday nights though. ABC shows regional games and they do reverse mirrors on ESPN and ESPN2. So people watching ESPN and ESPN2 in different parts of the country are watching different games. It was annoying when they couldn't do HD on the different broadcasts but I thought they fixed that last year.

Wouldn't most people prefer multiple stations and choosing the game they watch anyway instead of having the network pick it for them? That is why the NFL cleans up on the DTV deal.


You're so frigging clueless. You can't watch you're local teams on the Direct TV package - you have to turn into the network broadcasts for the NFL game if it's in your local region. Direct TV' success with the NFL is direct product of the success of the regional market approach around national broadcasts that the NFL has taken. By the NFL generating new fans of teams all over the country since 1969, they've generated the market that will pay for broadcasting of teams that aren't local.

You're an energy sucker. I won't let you suck my energy anymore.

FOr those that care about the future of UConn, and the future of the big east - how many people know that the the athletic departments at the Naval Academy and at Southern Methodist cared enough about their football competition, to create a trophy for the winner of the game which was first awarded in 2009?

Yeah - but nobody is going to care when SMU plays Navy in football. or when SMU plays UConn..........
 
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Being in a football league with Temple, Houston, SMU and San Diego State sucks beyond belief. Being in a league with Memphis is ridiculous to the point of being completely absurd.

It's great to sit and fantasize about a scheme like this. You continue to ignore the most important thing. There aren't any compelling matchups. Zero. The games suck. At a school like Houston, their own alumni care more about a half dozen other schools than their own. Temple students don't go to games as a badge of honor. Memphis. Where does one even begin with Memphis.

How many BE FB fans said the same thing when the BE had the gumption to add frigging UConn to play football. What legacy did the Huskies bring? Who bankrolled their commitment?

You sound mad because Swofford didn't invite you to the prom, and instead picked that pimply faced orange hair girled from upstate NY. Does a matchup of the 2008 Temple Owls-SMU Mustangs garner eyeballs? No, but that's not the question - the question is whether the 2013 versions can. I firmly believe the NBE will compete w/the ACC and B12 (and outside Oregon and USC, the P12). If you win, folks will follow you. If you live in the past then Oregon can never put out a good team.

BTW, SMU beat Pitt just a few months ago, in this universe
 
You're so frigging clueless. You can't watch you're local teams on the Direct TV package - you have to turn into the network broadcasts for the NFL game if it's in your local region. Direct TV' success with the NFL is direct product of the success of the regional market approach around national broadcasts that the NFL has taken. By the NFL generating new fans of teams all over the country since 1969, they've generated the market that will pay for broadcasting of teams that aren't local.

You're an energy sucker. I won't let you suck my energy anymore.

FOr those that care about the future of UConn, and the future of the big east - how many people know that the the athletic departments at the Naval Academy and at Southern Methodist cared enough about their football competition, to create a trophy for the winner of the game which was first awarded in 2009?

Yeah - but nobody is going to care when SMU plays Navy in football. or when SMU plays UConn..........

I know that you think you are the only one that understands anything but don't worry I understand the NFL deal.

And no nobody will care when Navy plays SMU. Nobody cares when SMU plays anyone. They might care enough to make a trophy but that doesn't mean anyone else does. The WNBA has a trophy I imagine, they care about it too I'm sure - good for them.

SMU beat Pitt they are a way better program. App st is better than Michigan. UConn is better than South Carolina and Notre Dame. Baylor is better than Texas. That logic holds up well. Who won a meaningless bowl game when Pitt hired a clown like Todd Graham. Let's ignore decades of futility - they went 8-5 in a terrible conference.
 
I know that you think you are the only one that understands anything but don't worry I understand the NFL deal.

And no nobody will care when Navy plays SMU. Nobody cares when SMU plays anyone. They might care enough to make a trophy but that doesn't mean anyone else does. The WNBA has a trophy I imagine, they care about it too I'm sure - good for them.

SMU beat Pitt they are a way better program. App st is better than Michigan. UConn is better than South Carolina and Notre Dame. Baylor is better than Texas. That logic holds up well. Who won a meaningless bowl game when Pitt hired a clown like Todd Graham. Let's ignore decades of futility - they went 8-5 in a terrible conference.

You are just being a jackass now. SMU is going to be a better team than Pitt 5 years from now. They are in a better metro area and have a very good coach. They have an alumni base that is willing to pay up to support the program. Pitt is in a death spiral, and joining the ACC is not going to help them.
 
You are just being a jackass now. SMU is going to be a better team than Pitt 5 years from now. They are in a better metro area and have a very good coach. They have an alumni base that is willing to pay up to support the program. Pitt is in a death spiral, and joining the ACC is not going to help them.

Ok. If you say so. June Jones is 60. Somehow SMU sucked for decades in spite of their location.

Why don't you guys stop the personal attacks for two seconds and answer these questions.

If the latest Big East is so good and these teams are upgrades and this television strategy is so brilliant...

Why didn't the Big East invite SMU, Houston, Boise and SDSU before Pitt and Syracuse left? If they are so savvy and now have an NFL style holy grail why were they reactive and not proactive? Why did West Virginia set fire to the league to get out? Why would Rutgers, UConn and Louisville campaign so hard for an invite elsewhere?

Ill hang up and wait for your response that will never come.
 
Ok. If you say so. June Jones is 60. Somehow SMU sucked for decades in spite of their location.

Why don't you guys stop the personal attacks for two seconds and answer these questions.

If the latest Big East is so good and these teams are upgrades and this television strategy is so brilliant...

Why didn't the Big East invite SMU, Houston, Boise and SDSU before Pitt and Syracuse left? If they are so savvy and now have an NFL style holy grail why were they reactive and not proactive? Why did West Virginia set fire to the league to get out? Why would Rutgers, UConn and Louisville campaign so hard for an invite elsewhere?

Ill hang up and wait for your response that will never come.

God almighty.

-The Big East will still be the 6th best league.
-The Big East will have the 6th best tv contract - behind the ACC by a decent margin.
-You would have to be insane to take any of the new additions over Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia.

Anybody that chooses to ignore those facts isn't in touched with reality. Almost everybody here agrees with the above points.

That all being said, the Big East has added some teams with recent success, some new markets and teams with some history. There is some optimism that UConn and The Big East can survive to fight another day.

We get it - you don't think so. No amount of complaining or debating with Carl is going to change that.

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but come on, enough is enough.
 
God almighty.

-The Big East will still be the 6th best league.
-The Big East will have the 6th best tv contract - behind the ACC by a decent margin.
-You would have to be insane to take any of the new additions over Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia.

Anybody that chooses to ignore those facts isn't in touched with reality. Almost everybody here agrees with the above points.

That all being said, the Big East has added some teams with recent success, some new markets and teams with some history. There is some optimism that UConn and The Big East can survive to fight another day.

We get it - you don't think so. No amount of complaining or debating with Carl is going to change that.

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but come on, enough is enough.

I guess that is where we disagree, that seems to be exactly the reality some are ignoring.
 
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I guess that is where we disagree, that seems to be exactly the reality some are ignoring.

A couple, but not all of us.

Upon further review, my post was a bit douchey towards you. Didn't mean it that way - just pissed at the whole situation in general.
 
Anyone who's ever run a successful business for a long time, knows that things change over time, and most often, when you've been successful doing something one way... it takes the smack in the face realization that your business is about to go under to realize you better get off your ass and do something else because your old way doesn't work anymore.

DOesn't matter if it's a mom @ pop store on a corner somewhere or a billion dollar intercollegiate sports league.

I write that for the others reading, not the energy sucker below. If the big east had their priorites right, and foresight and understanding of the landscape after the events of the 1980's around college football, the SEC would never have risen to power.

UConn would probably still be competiting with VIllanova regularly on the gridiron.....so I take the good with the bad, and look positively at the future,and learn from my mistakes. Football lessons in life.

Ok. If you say so. June Jones is 60. Somehow SMU sucked for decades in spite of their location.

Why don't you guys stop the personal attacks for two seconds and answer these questions.

If the latest Big East is so good and these teams are upgrades and this television strategy is so brilliant...

Why didn't the Big East invite SMU, Houston, Boise and SDSU before Pitt and Syracuse left? If they are so savvy and now have an NFL style holy grail why were they reactive and not proactive? Why did West Virginia set fire to the league to get out? Why would Rutgers, UConn and Louisville campaign so hard for an invite elsewhere?

Ill hang up and wait for your response that will never come.
 
Pick a number. $2MM a team? What's the number?

For the Big East going forward? With the current members 11-12. I'd wager by the time they sign a deal the membership will have changed again. They need Boise, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers and Navy to stay to get that.
 
For the Big East going forward? With the current members 11-12. I'd wager by the time they sign a deal the membership will have changed again. They need Boise, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers and Navy to stay to get that.

So we are basically at the same number, within a couple of million. Apparently, you just like to make posts shredding the conference.
 
So we are basically at the same number, within a couple of million. Apparently, you just like to make posts shredding the conference.

Or i think that number is a death sentence and you think its acceptable.
 
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So we are basically at the same number, within a couple of million. Apparently, you just like to make posts shredding the conference.


It's not the $ number in a media deal that matters for the Big East to survive and/or thrive at this point in time. Not at all. The big east is very much undervalued in both basketball and football, with aging contracts in both set to expire in 2013. The big east is not going to make less money than we already make - it will make more, just a matter of how much more. THe athletic departments that might be struggling, well they need to clean up their houses - talking to you Rutgers. The new programs are all going to see increases in revenue. The existing programs will see increases. What's relevant for the dolllar amount - is how much the gap between the highest valued media properties and the Big East either widens or closes. I'm predicting it's going to close, and that's what's got the ACC leadership really nervous.

It's not the money that's the key to the future growht potential/success/thriving though - as i've said many times, I believe it's scheduling - football and basketball - that will be the key to both survival and growth potential of the new Big East. We need to be able to schedule both sports in their respective prime time viewing slots during the week, and at the same time have those games easily accessible on basic viewing services in all of the regions we are now in.

The big east would be signing it's own death warrant, if we were to continue w/ ESPN in the same format, and get relegated to Tuesday/Wed/Thur/Fri night football for marquee matchups and regular games saturday at noon or some other slot on espn3 online.

It will be interesting to see what ESPN offers in September, if anything. I can't even begin to speculate on the internet/cyberspace/streaming angle when it comes to broadcasting, but it's a big part of the broadcasting world in the future.

I'm anticipating that will have to a big part of it, b/c I can't imagine how they'd (ESPN) be able to present a plan to get into the markets that we've got presence in, with their current structure and in competition with the nvestment properties they've got lined up already - unless they try to pitch the same plan we've had for years, which relegated big east football to the scrap heap of broadcasting slots for college football.

IF the leadership in providence wants the league to continue, they can't try to keep the status quo with ESPN. Things have to change when it comes to scheduling and broadcasting big east football in primetime slots on Saturdays.

Big East basketball? HUGE HUGE chip sitting there on the table in all of this. New York City? Big EAst championship tournament? Big East football championship game in NYC? All chips sitting there on the table.

Big time poker game.
 
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