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Don't know...but the 2-22 ACC football record against FSU...the 63-0 football shellacking that FSU put on the Terps this year, cemented in my mind the total crap that the football program had become.

Maryland wasn't always such football dreck....but since 2003 they have been a slide....six losing seasons, a couple of 2-10 years.

I will stipulate that the Terps have been better than Duke....
 
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buggsy said:
Not sure where you get the 3 million figure from, but the REAL number of residents in the 12 Northern NJ counties that make up the NYC DMA is 5,994,000

That doesn't include the population from the 8 South Jersey Counties that are part of the Philly market....thus increasing our value to the Big Ten Network in that DMA.

And you know darn well that the block R's are everywhere in North Jersey. To say otherwise is just not being honest. They are completely statewide now.
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I got the 3 mil number from early numbers, if the correct number is 5 mil that's fine, the point remains the same. Do you know which counties are included? I've seen it but I forget. I think it goes as far south as Middlesex, correct? If so your number makes sense to me.

I live in Morris County. The big red R is pretty scarce up here, probably because RU isn't a preference for college in my area. That's not a knock, it's a good school, just not a preferred one.

In any event my post wasn't a shot at RU. I was trying explain what RU brought to the table. From your post I think we pretty much agree.
 
billybud said:
Don't know...but the 2-22 ACC football record against FSU...the 63-0 football shellacking that FSU put on the Terps this year, cemented in my mind the total crap that the football program had become.

Maryland wasn't always such football dreck....but since 2003 they have been a slide....six losing seasons, a couple of 2-10 years.

I will stipulate that the Terps have been better than Duke....
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I have to stick up for Maryland a little here. Maryland has won a lot of ACC titles over the years. And Debbie Yow has really boosted Maryland's womens's sports. The Maryland women's lacrosse has been flat out dominant. Many of Maryland's NCAA championships are in women's lacrosse. It is sad to see that athletic department have to shut down sports. Hopefully the Big Ten will help.

I know that Nicky will object, but in comparison "What the Hell has Rutgers done athletically?" I at least see a reason to defend Maryland.
 
Bombing out in football while winning in women's lacrosse....a decent trade.

But I am with you, Maryland needed a change up and maybe the move will give them a kick start.
 
OT...that smallish guard from Georgetown was a nifty player, But GT plays a much different offense than the days when they had a monster at post.

Sadly, attendance was 3510. I wonder if the culture could ever be changed. Would folks like me start supporting basketball here?

But...to be fair to FSU fans, Rocky III was on TV.
 
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CL82 said:
I got the 3 mil number from early numbers, if the correct number is 5 mil that's fine, the point remains the same. Do you know which counties are included? I've seen it but I forget. I think it goes as far south as Middles e x, correct? If so your number makes sense to me.

I live in Morris County. The big red R is pretty scarce up here, probably because RU isn't a preference for college in my area. That's not a knock, it's a good school, just not a preferred one.

In any event my post wasn't a shot at RU. I was trying explain what RU brought to the table. From your post I think we pretty much agree.
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First off, I state emphatically that I would LOVE to see UCONN in the Big Ten. I really only enjoyed beating two teams (and absolutely hated losing to only 2 teams) and they are UCONN and Syracuse. I think UCONN was RU's number one rival the last several years. I travel ALL over the state, and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree with you on whether or not you see the block R in North Jersey. I see them EVERYWHERE. My kids play a game where they count how many they see everytime we drive through NJ and North Jersey on our way into NYC.

Yes the 6 million people I cited comes from the 12 counties that are part of the NYC DMA.
http://www.newportmedia.com/maps/countyinfo.php?m=1

2012 Census

Ocean (580,470)
Monmouth (629,384)
Middlesex (823,041)
Somerset (327,707)
Hunterdon (127,050)
Union (543,976)
Essex (787,744)
Morris (497,999)
Warren (107,653)
Bergen (918,888)
Sussex (147,442)
Passaic (502,885)

total - 5,994,000

Obviously the number of potential fans in these 12 counties that make up a big part of the NYC DMA played a HUGE role....HUGE...but for people who think it is the only reason, that is just not true.

We are also

1.) Strong academically and members of the AAU
2.) Flagship State University (11 of the 14 schools in the Big Ten are their state's flagship. Maybe UCONN becomes #12?)
3.) We fit in well, academically and student body size-wise. We look like a Big Ten School. (UCONN does as well)
3.) recently expanded and renovated football facilities to 54,000 capacity
4.) RU has had a little success in football, going to bowl games in 8 of the last 9 years (winning 5 of them)
5.) RU has finished in the top half of the league 6 times in the last 10 years (UCONN has only finished in the top half 2 times in the last 10 years...2007 and 2010)

http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

I really do hope things shake out so that UCONN ends in the Big Ten. The only school I hate in the Big Ten is Penn State. RU needs another real rival.
 
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btstimpy said:
46000 is about right for a team going 4-8. UVA fans are fair weather. In 2007, which was the last good UVA football team, the average was 59,800. What would Rutgers numbers be for a 4-8 team? That 2012 Rutgers team was 9-3.
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Our 4-8 team in 2010 averaged 47k.

Our lowest attended games in 2012 were against Army in the wake of Hurricane Sandy and against your precious ACC buddy Syracuse.

All other home games averaged 51k in a 52k stadium.

UConn, Kent State, and Howard were all bigger draws to the casual Rutgers fan than Syracuse, and Syracuse was after our winning streak had hit its stride that year.
 
billybud said:
Bombing out in football while winning in women's lacrosse....a decent trade.

But I am with you, Maryland needed a change up and maybe the move will give them a kick start.
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Stop it. In the last ten years, how many ACC schools have had noteworthy football programs? I'm not pretending Maryland has been world beaters, but you're pretending its been a Vanderbilt (pre-Franklin) in a conference full of Alabamas. ACC football (save FSU and Clemson) as a whole has been as ho-hum as can over the last decade. Since 2000, Maryland, Virginia, Ga Tech, Va Tech, NC State, Carolina, Duke, and Wake have had a few good seasons, but have been pretty meh to bad.
 
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billybud said:
UConn should be beating up the B1G for taking Rutgers over the Huskies.

That's as egregious, or more so, then the ACC taking Louisville.
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I'm guessing they've been kicking themselves lately.
 
FSU was racking up losses before Bowden was "pushed" out. In fairness to Bowden, he turned around a program that managed a single win in the two seasons prior to him joining.
 
Lawsuit getting ugly according to this: http://msn.foxsports.com/college-fo...cc-and-marylands-lawsuit-is-getting-nasty.php

"That's why the ACC is fighting so hard in this lawsuit, because it needs schools to believe that the $52 million exit fee is binding. Even if it takes years to prove that it isn't, and if this case goes to trial that's how long it would take to be resolved, so be it, that's years of default protection. To a large extent, the ACC's existence as a major conference is tied to the outcome of this Maryland lawsuit.

The ACC, while giving off the impression of strength, is actually still a house of cards."

Let's blow this house down!!
 
CTGoonie said:
Lawsuit getting ugly according to this: http://msn.foxsports.com/college-fo...cc-and-marylands-lawsuit-is-getting-nasty.php

"That's why the ACC is fighting so hard in this lawsuit, because it needs schools to believe that the $52 million exit fee is binding. Even if it takes years to prove that it isn't, and if this case goes to trial that's how long it would take to be resolved, so be it, that's years of default protection. To a large extent, the ACC's existence as a major conference is tied to the outcome of this Maryland lawsuit.

The ACC, while giving off the impression of strength, is actually still a house of cards."

Let's blow this house down!!
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From this guys lips to God's ears!
 
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buggsy said:
First off, I state emphatically that I would LOVE to see UCONN in the Big Ten. I really only enjoyed beating two teams (and absolutely hated losing to only 2 teams) and they are UCONN and Syracuse. I think UCONN was RU's number one rival the last several years. I travel ALL over the state, and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree with you on whether or not you see the block R in North Jersey. I see them EVERYWHERE. My kids play a game where they count how many they see everytime we drive through NJ and North Jersey on our way into NYC. Fair enough. Agree to disagree though. It always strikes me how often AAU teams NJ and the NYC area are named the Huskies, how the plays that they call out are UConn, but I've never seen a Scarlet Knight team or here someone yell out Rutgers. Not a knock, it is what it is.

Yes the 6 million people I cited comes from the 12 counties that are part of the NYC DMA.
http://www.newportmedia.com/maps/countyinfo.php?m=1

2012 Census

Ocean (580,470)
Monmouth (629,384)
Middles e x (823,041)
Somerset (327,707)
Hunterdon (127,050)
Union (543,976)
Ess e x (787,744)
Morris (497,999)
Warren (107,653)
Bergen (918,888)
Suss e x (147,442)
Passaic (502,885)

total - 5,994,000

Obviously the number of potential fans in these 12 counties that make up a big part of the NYC DMA played a HUGE role....HUGE...but for people who think it is the only reason, that is just not true. As noted in my prior post, I agree. Thanks for doing this. It is interesting and seems a lot of work went into it.

We are also

1.) Strong academically and members of the AAU
2.) Flagship State University (11 of the 14 schools in the Big Ten are their state's flagship. Maybe UCONN becomes #12?)
3.) We fit in well, academically and student body size-wise. We look like a Big Ten School. (UCONN does as well)
3.) recently expanded and renovated football facilities to 54,000 capacity
4.) RU has had a little success in football, going to bowl games in 8 of the last 9 years (winning 5 of them)
5.) RU has finished in the top half of the league 6 times in the last 10 years (UCONN has only finished in the top half 2 times in the last 10 years...2007 and 2010) Dude, stop auditioning you're in already! Lol, part of me wants to bait you a little to how long this goes on (i,e., Wow all those top half finishes and how many conference championships?) but I'm a little distracted by the March Madness, you know the basketball event that other teams go to? - Sorry couldn't help myself. ;)

http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

I really do hope things shake out so that UCONN ends in the Big Ten. The only school I hate in the Big Ten is Penn State. RU needs another real rival.
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We're on the same side chief. I'm glad RU found a home, I wish it were us, but I'm happy for you. Hopefully we'll get a chance to be conference mates again.

We good?
 
Not to keep the argument alive but I would guess it's a lot easier legal wise to name an AAU team 'Huskies' than it is 'Scarlet Knights'.

But yes, figure out something UCONN. And do it before the ACC blows up because who knows what happens if the ACC really is a house of cards.
 
JayRU09 said:
But yes, figure out something UCONN. And do it before the ACC blows up because who knows what happens if the ACC really is a house of cards.
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Exactly. "The ACC blowing up" may sound great to UConn from a schadenfreude perspective, but it offers no guarantees of tangibly facilitating UConn's advancement.

Keep in mind that the net change from 2010 BCS-6 conferences to 2014 CFP-5 conferences was a net loss of one school's seat: Utah and TCU gained seats, while UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida lost seats.
 
JayRU09 said:
Not to keep the argument alive but I would guess it's a lot easier legal wise to name an AAU team 'Huskies' than it is 'Scarlet Knights'.

But yes, figure out something UCONN. And do it before the ACC blows up because who knows what happens if the ACC really is a house of cards.
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Yeah, Jay because AAU teams are always named after running it by counsel. :rolleyes:
 
CL82 said:
Yeah, Jay because AAU teams are always named after running it by counsel. :rolleyes:
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They...could? I dunno. I don't really look into the scummy AAU world all that much.
 
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JayRU09 said:
Not to keep the argument alive but I would guess it's a lot easier legal wise to name an AAU team 'Huskies' than it is 'Scarlet Knights'.
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It also helps if you'd like to be relevant in the postseason.
 
CTGoonie said:
Lawsuit getting ugly according to this: http://msn.foxsports.com/college-fo...cc-and-marylands-lawsuit-is-getting-nasty.php

"That's why the ACC is fighting so hard in this lawsuit, because it needs schools to believe that the $52 million exit fee is binding. Even if it takes years to prove that it isn't, and if this case goes to trial that's how long it would take to be resolved, so be it, that's years of default protection. To a large extent, the ACC's existence as a major conference is tied to the outcome of this Maryland lawsuit.

The ACC, while giving off the impression of strength, is actually still a house of cards."

Let's blow this house down!!
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Now we know Buckaineer's actual name. This article reads like he wrote it with all the nonsense he talks about included. The ACC is the strongest it has ever been. The only thing that is a house of cards is the Maryland Athletics Department. That's why they flushed 7 sports programs.

The ACC has Maryland's offset money and can wait forever to try this case while Maryland keeps pulling up an empty hook on the end of its fishing pole.
 
I liked this comment from the article.

"All this is pointing to the SEC model as the destination for all conferences to follow. The SEC doesn't need rights agreements because all members are treated equally and have a great deal. Successful conferences should respect the fact that every entity is a free agent that can take its marbles and go elsewhere at any time. Rights agreements are about PR and satisfaction of TV network execs. In other words, a smoke and mirrors tactic that ultimately doesn't address the real causes of members leaving."
 
mrhandyman said:
I liked this comment from the article.

"All this is pointing to the SEC model as the destination for all conferences to follow. The SEC doesn't need rights agreements because all members are treated equally and have a great deal. Successful conferences should respect the fact that every entity is a free agent that can take its marbles and go elsewhere at any time. Rights agreements are about PR and satisfaction of TV network execs. In other words, a smoke and mirrors tactic that ultimately doesn't address the real causes of members leaving."
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When the football playoffs call for Conference Championship to participate, it will be interesting to see what some of the SEC schools think then because that Conference is the hardest one to become Conference Football Champion in. At the least the SEC will be pushing to increase the playoff to 8 teams, or some of its schools might see an easier path to a Conference Championship other places.
 
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CTGoonie said:
Lawsuit getting ugly according to this: http://msn.foxsports.com/college-fo...cc-and-marylands-lawsuit-is-getting-nasty.php

"That's why the ACC is fighting so hard in this lawsuit, because it needs schools to believe that the $52 million exit fee is binding. Even if it takes years to prove that it isn't, and if this case goes to trial that's how long it would take to be resolved, so be it, that's years of default protection. To a large extent, the ACC's existence as a major conference is tied to the outcome of this Maryland lawsuit.

The ACC, while giving off the impression of strength, is actually still a house of cards."

Let's blow this house down!!
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Despite's Swofford's overblown megalomania and acts looking like desperation, the ACC is fairly stable. At least 13 of its members appear committed to staying long term. Any mutual distrust the members had is pretty much gone. Even FSU appears that they will be staying. If they lecoulda his could set off mutual distrust amongst the membership again. But they'll find a way to get through it like they did when Maryland left. And it will still be a good landing spot for UConn.

If it's a fight between the ACC and the Big 12, the ACC wins.
 
CL82 said:
We're on the same side chief. I'm glad RU found a home, I wish it were us, but I'm happy for you. Hopefully we'll get a chance to be conference mates again.

We good?
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Yep, solid.
 
btstimpy said:
The ACC has Maryland's offset money and can wait forever to try this case
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Excellent point. It is unjust that the ACC gets to hold money in dispute. I guess that's interest is for. Maryland won't have a chance to land a fish until a decision comes down.
 
I thought the Big East (WVU) and Big XII (Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri) had also withheld "payments due" to their respective defecting schools in credit to schools' exit fee owances. I thought this was perfectly legal and representative of standard operating procedure. (Anyone who thinks Maryland will "beat" all exit fees entirely is delusional.)
 
itgoeslike said:
FSU was racking up losses before Bowden was "pushed" out. In fairness to Bowden, he turned around a program that managed a single win in the two seasons prior to him joining.
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FSU, in the "bad decade" still ends up being the 8th best team of the BCS Era...98-2013
Final AP Rankings: 3-1-5-15-21-11-15-23-U-U-21-U-17-23-10-1...two national championships, 13 years end year ranked.

32 straight bowl appearances...current streak leader by a mile

6 straight consecutive bowl wins....national leader

Bowden came into Tallahassee and turned around a team that had just gone 0-11...within three years, Bowden had an undefeated Nole team playing in the Orange Bowl...masterful.

Jimbo came in after the Noles went 7-6 and within three years had them 12 game winners and Orange Bowl Champs...in his 4th year, he won the NC....also masterful
 
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