Long Goodman article on the program

[upstater]

See post above. I’ll except the apology for calling me a liar lmboo

Yep. You're right. Made a mistake there. still, go back to Twitter and look at that recruitment. People here and there were noting that Ollie was working his butt off for Diallo. Much harder than Calipari. Much much harder.

Just go back and see the media on this. We were al talking about the wasted effort. Insiders here on this board were telling despite Ollie heading to Putname multiple times, despite all the Diallo games he attended, Kentucky was in the lead. And it was Hamidou's AAU people who were letting this be known. Also Putnam coaches.

And yet Ollie had Diallo about to enroll until Calipari swoped in.

That part of the article was absolute BS.

Again, use Mal or Abu as an example, not Diallo.

 

[superjohn]

“Diallo played 26 miles away at Putnam Science Academy, but one source close to the recruitment said that Kentucky's John Calipari went to see him as many times despite having to get on a plane to do so, and also recruiting him for about half as long. A source close to Ashton-Langford's recruitment said Ollie went to see him play just once his senior year, and that played heavily into him re-opening his recruitment.”


Use your context clues. Where does it say KO only went to one of Diallo’s games??? I’ll wait

Upstater was arguing with you saying Goodman and others are liars based on them saying Ollie only went to one of Diallo's games. Upstater realized his reading comprehension stinks and deleted his posts instead of admitting he was wrong.

 

[bmo22]

While you may be right about staying away, the simple answer is just don't anything wrong in the first place.

That’s very true. At the same time I’m interested to find out how major/minor the infractions were (if any). I don’t think there are many squeaky clean programs in major college basketball.

 

[upstater]

See post above. I’ll except the apology

You mean accept?

By the way--I was wrong on that fact. But the main point still stands. Ollie went to many more games than Calipari. I showed you pics of his visits to Putnam. As for what I know about Calipari, I know he wasn't at City of Palms. Ollie was.

 

[upstater]

Upstater was arguing with you saying Goodman and others are liars based on them saying Ollie only went to one of Diallo's games. Upstater realized his reading comprehension stinks and deleted his posts instead of admitting he was wrong.

Uh, no. Two of my posts with the error are still up: Long Goodman article on the program.

I admitted I was wrong before your post. Unlike you I admit when I'm wrong.

 

[upstater]

Wrong.

Then how is Vance Sr the gift that keeps on giving?

 

[KingAG]

Yep. You're right. Made a mistake there. still, go back to Twitter and look at that recruitment. People here and there were noting that Ollie was working his butt off for Diallo. Much harder than Calipari. Much much harder.

Just go back and see the media on this. We were al talking about the wasted effort. Insiders here on this board were telling despite Ollie heading to Putname multiple times, despite all the Diallo games he attended, Kentucky was in the lead. And it was Hamidou's AAU people who were letting this be known. Also Putnam coaches.

And yet Ollie had Diallo about to enroll until Calipari swoped in.

That part of the article was absolute BS.

Again, use Mal or Abu as an example, not Diallo.

I don’t remember reading anywhere that Cal wasn’t recruiting him hard. I don’t believe that’s true. I don’t doubt KO put in some effort but if he got outworked for MAL and Abu why are you so confident he didn’t for Diallo. Maybe KO’s idea of recruiting “hard” is not the same as Cal’s. Calipari is an elite recruiter because he knows how to make every recruit he recruits feel they are super important. KO can learn from that. KO has been recruiting Hami since he was a sophomore. So, the fact that Calipari attended just as many games as KO(which I believe, you don’t have to) is embarrassing. KO’s attendance at Hami’s games should dwarf Cal’s. It shouldn’t be a discussion

 

[JakeTheDog]

Then how is Vance Sr the gift that keeps on giving?

I read it as Sr. is talking to the NCAA.

 

[superjohn]

Then how is Vance Sr the gift that keeps on giving?

Word is Vance Sr. is the one who dimed on Ollie.

 

[KingAG]

You mean accept?

By the way--I was wrong on that fact. But the main point still stands. Ollie went to many more games than Calipari. I showed you pics of his visits to Putnam. As for what I know about Calipari, I know he wasn't at City of Palms. Ollie was.

Yes accept lmbooo, I only have a HS diploma haha. But you keep referencing 2 occasions where KO was there and Cal wasn’t. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of the situation

 

[upstater]

I don’t remember reading anywhere tho Cal wasn’t recruiting him hard. I don’t believe that’s true. I don’t doubt KO put in some effort but if he got outworked for MAL and Abu why are you so confident he didn’t for Diallo. Maybe KO’s idea of recruiting “hard” is not the same as Cal’s. Calipari is an elite recruiter because he knows how to make every recruit he recruits feel they are super important. KO can learn from that. KO has been recruiting Hami since he was a sophomore. So, the fact that Calipari attended just as many games as KO(which I believe, you don’t have to) is embarrassing

Simple. There is a trail of evidence that he was all over Diallo. He went to his games all over the country despite the fact that Putnam is a short drive. He went to Putnam. He was with him on UConn's campus during his visits, had long talks with him in the stands after games.

Abu is a totally different story. Abu's parents said, "Coach Ollie hasn't spoken to us in many months." UConn stopped recruiting Abu. As for MAL, he signed a letter f intent, and they stopped keeping tabs on him. Not the only HC to do that.

Calipari did not go through nearly the effort that Ollie did. This much is so easy to prove. I don't even follow recruiting like some of you. I just read this board and did a search on twitter.

 

[upstater]

Yes accept lmbooo, I only have a HS diploma haha. But you keep referencing 2 occasions where KO was there and Cal wasn’t. That proves nothing in the grand scheme of the situation

4 occasions in one month, even far away in Florida.
Multiple trips to Putnam.
Saw the kid on UConn's campus all the time.

Cal did not put as much work in.

In fact, people here were complaining that Ollie was putting so much work with the kid, putting all his marbles on the kid and not recruiting others! And those same posters said he was ticketed for Kentucky (they were right).

At the last second, Ollie had Diallo about to enroll at UConn (in fact, it was reported on this board by insiders that he was already in).

 

[KingAG]

Simple. There is a trail of evidence that he was all over Diallo. He went to his games all over the country despite the fact that Putnam is a short drive. He went to Putnam. He was with him on UConn's campus during his visits, had long talks with him in the stands after games.

Abu is a totally different story. Abu's parents said, "Coach Ollie hasn't spoken to us in many months." UConn stopped recruiting Abu. As for MAL, he signed a letter f intent, and they stopped keeping tabs on him. Not the only HC to do that.

Calipari did not go through nearly the effort that Ollie did. This much is so easy to prove. I don't even follow recruiting like some of you. I just read this board and did a search on twitter.

But there is no evidence the he outworked Cal. Cal came in late and worked his tail off to land a commitment. It’s what separates good recruiters from great ones. Great recruiters are relentless and engaging. Ollie doesn’t give me that vibe as a recruiter. Again I’m not denying KO tried, I’m simply saying his idea of “recruiting hard” is not the same as Cal’s.

 

[upstater]

Word is Vance Sr. is the one who dimed on Ollie.

Just great....

I wonder where Goodman got that "plan" stuff from. Sounds like the type of thing Sr. would say. How are you going to feature my son?" "What's the plan?"

 

[KingAG]

4 occasions in one month, even far away in Florida.
Multiple trips to Putnam.
Saw the kid on UConn's campus all the time.

Cal did not put as much work in.

In fact, people here were complaining that Ollie was putting so much work with the kid, putting all his marbles on the kid and not recruiting others! And those same posters said he was ticketed for Kentucky (they were right).

At the last second, Ollie had Diallo about to enroll at UConn (in fact, it was reported on this board by insiders that he was already in).

I heard the same in regards to Diallo committing. I had a friend that had a friend lol. But Diallo being on campus had nothing to do with KO, or his effort. Hami liked partying and hanging out on a college campus lol. KO put in a lot of early ground work. But Cal still out hustled him in the end. Why did KO even let Hami on the plane to Lexington? I guarantee you if the roles were reversed Cal would not have allowed Hami to even get to Storrs

 

[upstater]

But there is no evidence the he outworked Cal. Cal came in late and worked his tail off to land a commitment. It’s what separates good recruiters from great ones. Great recruiters are relentless and engaging. Ollie doesn’t give me that vibe as a recruiter. Again I’m not denying KO tried, I’m simply saying his idea of “recruiting hard” is not the same as Cal’s.

There is evidence. That is what I'm telling you. This isn't a mystery. The evidence is all over.

As for Calipari, he is Kentucky and Kentucky is Calipari.

Are you telling me this guy needs to outwork anyone to get a commit?

It's irrelevant how or why Kentucky beats UConn to a commit. Wenyen Gabriel played footsie with UConn for a year. Kentucky merely sniffed his way and he was a wildcat.

My initial post is that Ollie may well be derelict in his recruiting, but whoever Goodman was talking to in regards to Diallo had an agenda to twist things. I even said in my initial post that it was unnecessary if you wanted Ollie gone.

 

[upstater]

I heard the same in regards to Diallo committing. I had a friend that had a friend lol. But Diallo being on campus had nothing to do with KO, or his effort. Hami liked partying and hanging out on a college campus lol. KO put in a lot of early ground work. But Cal still put hustled him in the end. Why did KO even let Hami on the plane to Lexington? I guarantee you if the roles were reversed Cal would not have allowed Hami to even get to Storrs

Would Cal have kidnapped him? What does that even mean?

 

[Tenspro2002]

Which pretty much implies that he doesn't even want to be the HC of a MCBB program. Given all I've heard and read over the past year, that sounds about right.

Should have been an NBA assistant all along.

 

[fatlucy]

No, I get it, but total reliance on anonymous sources, by definition, makes any article somewhat less credible.

Calhoun not commenting on the state of the team says it all.

 

[superjohn]

Just great....

I wonder where Goodman got that "plan" stuff from. Sounds like the type of thing Sr. would say. How are you going to feature my son?" "What's the plan?"

Those quotes could certainly be from Vance Sr. When Zionn referred to Sr. as the "gift that keeps on giving" he was talking about Sr. dropping a dime on Ollie.

 

[KingAG]

Would Cal have kidnapped him? What does that even mean?

Cal is a relentless recruiter. He sold UMass, and Memphis for crying out loud.No I’m not suggesting he’d have kidnapped him.He’s a better recruiter so Hami wouldn’t have wanted to leave. The fact that he was on campus all the time, and took that last visit to Kentucky means that KO didn’t sell him. And it’s not just Cal. Some coaches sell wherever they go.
I’ll digress, because I do agree with you that we don’t need the Diallo indictment to justify him being fired. He’s done enough wrong.

 

[8893]

Quote the whole message or link the threads, you hump. This was discussed ad nauseam in multiple threads. I never advocated a midseason firing and I never said I wouldn't watch anymore games. Said over and over I haven't missed a game I could watch in the past 30 years and that Ollie needs to be fired and Hurley needs to be the new coach. Back channels have been worked but no serious discussions until the season is over.

This is great, now Statler and Waldorf are going to pretend they always thought Ollie should be fired.

Alright, please identify the moment when you came to believe that Ollie should be fired at the end of this season so we all know when the “right” moment was to start calling for his head.

I’ve been very clear that I believed in and supported him until this season. After the Arkansas game I said I was done defending him; after Auburn I said I was done believing he should return here.

Please show me otherwise or stop lying about my position.

As for your position, if you are “right,” why aren’t people like @Deadrody and @freescooter, who thought he was a terrible hire from the start, more right?

And that’s my entire point, now proven many times over in this thread: everyone reached their conclusion at a different time, and for a variety of different reasons. I don’t know why so many like you are so obsessed with being deemed the one who made the “right” call about when to get rid of him and why.

I’m concerned with what is right, not who.

 

[D$]

Would Cal have kidnapped him? What does that even mean?

Can you two stop?! I just wasted five minutes of my life reading your posts, arguing with each other on an internet message board.

Regardless of who outworked who, it's about results and who closes. Remember ABC...

 

[KingAG]

Can you two stop?! I just wasted five minutes of my life reading your posts, arguing with each other on an internet message board.

Regardless of who outworked who, it's about results and who closes. Remember ABC...

Use your ignore feature

 

[D$]

Use your ignore feature

I don't like to miss anything.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Lazy is the wrong word. Disinterested is more apt.

He’s a very wealthy guy who has retired from his first profession. His current profession pays very well, but requires some menial labor that he doesn’t seem to like doing. (I’d be worse. I’d sit in the office and watch YouTube videos and price Bentleys all day.)

As a result, the talent isn’t here, the development doesn’t happen and the team is generally unprepared.

Fake it ‘til you make it replaced ten toes in a long time ago. With the genie out of the bottle now, it’s basically over.

Sounds like we need a divorce

 

[intlzncster]

I don't like to miss anything.

This made me laugh.

 

[UConniki]

All the quotes are he said and she said. How do we know any of that is true. We don't know people's motivations to say certain things. Maybe they are butt hurt and bitter. Who knows. The human race is so gullible. Quick to believe anything that resembles their tendencies. I want nothing more than the whole thing to blow up in UCONN'S face if they fire KO. People act like they know everything when in reality we know nothing about the future consequences of a decision. Just let the man do his job. If anything give him a steep pay cut with performance based bonuses.

So for you the coach is more important than the program. If they fire KO you hope the program crashes and burns. A case of misplaced loyalty.... and your doing what you accuse loyal UConn fans who want KO fired for cause of doing. We all wanted UConn AND KO TO SUCCEED but unfortunately it’s not happening and when we point that out were accused of hoping that KO failed.... which was never true. You and those who think like you are part of the problem and from where I’m sitting it looks like the program HAS ALREADY BLOWN UP.... Two losing seasons in a row and the all time record for most 20 point blowouts in one season. How much further do you want the program to slide before enough is enough!

 

[superjohn]

Alright, please identify the moment when you came to believe that Ollie should be fired at the end of this season so we all know when the “right” moment was to start calling for his head.

I’ve been very clear that I believed in and supported him until this season. After the Arkansas game I said I was done defending him; after Auburn I said I was done believing he should return here.

Please show me otherwise or stop lying about my position.

As for your position, if you are “right,” why aren’t people like @Deadrody and @freescooter, who thought he was a terrible hire from the start, more right?

And that’s my entire point, now proven many times over in this thread: everyone reached their conclusion at a different time, and for a variety of different reasons. I don’t know why so many like you are so obsessed with being deemed the one who made the “right” call about when to get rid of him and why.

I’m concerned with what is right, not who.

I could care less about being right, it's just a little annoying when you tell people a long time ago there are massive problems with the guy coaching the team and you get called all kinds of names for it, just to see those same people are now saying they knew Ollie isn't the right guy as coach.

I'm not going to dig up old posts but I originally was skeptical of the hire because I thought he was too green. I was all on board after his first two seasons which were phenomenal. He showed a lot of cracks after that and then it all started spiraling out of control. I wanted him gone last season.

All I care about is UConn basketball and KO isn't right for UConn basketball.

 

[Purple Stein]

The captain did a lot for this school and this program and I take no joy in seeing him sink. And I do hope he rises again somewhere.

I mean, this is it. I hope KO has UC Riverside or Hawaii or whoever in the tournament five years from now. Or I hope he has a happier life on the Cippers' bench.

He's miserable here and, as the article suggests, I think he's ready to go, too. We'd all (including KO) be a lot better off moving beyond anger/depression and into acceptance.