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I realize this is a UCONN board, but I don't see the harm in one thread where people with different opinions can mix it up. Bring back Okie, Bucaneer, Terry, Stimp, etc etc.
 
btstimpy said:
Actually it is. The University is in the process of disowning a man, and at the same time I have a poster here pushing the same man's accomplishments as the glory of Maryland. They should make up their mind. Disown the man and his accomplishments at the same time OR shut up and claim his accomplishments. He died 45 years ago. It's no bother to me. I walked into the stadium that man built for the University of Maryland and never cared who he was. I just noticed that it looked just like he left it.
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Who should make up their mind? Is a person required to take the same position as their Alma Mater? I guess in Chancellorsville, they brainwash their alumni to think exactly like they do.

I can see it now: "Call the police Martha, there's one of our Maryland alumni posting on a UConn board that doesn't fall in line with what the university wants! Revoke their degree!"
 
Ldandy said:
No offense but are you talking about the same Maryland that is located in the United States of America? If that's the one, I haven't a clue how you draw your conclusions. PSU has a very strong following throughout the entire DMV, built on being the premier football brand in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic since the 1960's. Maryland Representation for PSU is still very strong. If I was estimating sphere of influence in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic I'd go with the following:

MA- I'd imagine is carved up by BC, BU, Harvard, (locals), ND and UCONN.

CT- Primarily UCONN with small followings for Yale.

NY- (Upstate) Cuse, with pockets of support for ND, PSU, Army and locals like Buffalo and Cornell. (NYC and surroundings)Pretty well divided up with pockets of support for ND, RU, UCONN, Cuse, PSU, UM, St Johns and smaller locals. No one team or even small group of teams can lay claim to NYC. You need a large group of schools to gain any critical mass in the city.

NJ- (Northern NJ) RU, ND, PSU (Southern NJ) PSU, ND, RU.

PA- (Eastern PA) PSU, with pockets of ND Support in NEPA as well as Philly. Support for the members of The Big 5 exists in the city as well. (Central/South/and NW PA) PSU, (SWPA) PSU with followings for Pitt, ND, and WVU.

MD- UMD, Navy, PSU, ND, local/national interests.

DC- Fairly even levels of support for UMD, VPI, UVA, and PSU. ND, Gtown and other Catholics carry some sway as well as smaller local and national interests.

VA- VPI and UVA, with solid representation for PSU, as well as smaller local/national interests.
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Wait....how about fans of CCSU, SCSU, New Haven or Trinity?? Shouldn't they count in CT fan base?? :)
 
dayooper said:
Who should make up their mind? Is a person required to take the same position as their Alma Mater? I guess in Chancellorsville, they brainwash their alumni to think exactly like they do.

I can see it now: "Call the police Martha, there's one of our Maryland alumni posting on a UConn board that doesn't fall in line with what the university wants! Revoke their degree!"
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I think you mean Charlottesville - although there was one hell of a Civil War battle in Chancellorsville...
 
btstimpy said:
Syracuse won NCAA championships in Cross Country and Field Hockey this year. I'm not sure they did that in the Big East. Their football and basketball is about the same as when they moved. Football just got a new coach, so we'll see.

Pittsburgh is about the same as the Big East. But they hired a new Men's Soccer coach who is a good hire, so we'll see what he does.

Boston College has declined some. But I think it's related to coaching. They have new ones now, so upward and onward.
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One of BC's bigger issues is facilities. They are behind just about everyone in the ACC and even UConn. Combined with some questionable hiring, and its easy to see what they are so behind. Syracuse, for better or worse, has at least been updating their facilities, including new Olympic fields and an indoor football practice facility on hill campus. Pitt even built a new venue a few years back for soccer, baseball, and softball.
 
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storrsroars said:
Fayette is a beautiful county. Used to drive on US40 weekly commuting from Pgh to Alexandria, VA.

Don't recall seeing any PSU banners flying down there, but I'll take your word for it. And thanks for the reminder that I need to take my wife back to Nemacolin soon.
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I hope you hit Fallingwater and Ohiopyle too.
 
The idea that anyone associated with the ACC other than random internet posters are happy Maryland is in the B1G is delusional. A conference making more money took them, and then proceeded to make even more money.

End of story on that one.

I'm all for having fans from all different teams here, but at least let's not be delusional about what's good for a conference and what's a sh¡t sandwich.
 
tzznandrew said:
The idea that anyone associated with the ACC other than random internet posters are happy Maryland is in the B1G is delusional. A conference making more money took them, and then proceeded to make even more money.

End of story on that one.

I'm all for having fans from all different teams here, but at least let's not be delusional about what's good for a conference and what's a sh¡t sandwich.
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And please...let's not have fans from one area and one viewpoint presumptuously believe that they know what other fans think in a different area.

Maryland made Wake Forest look like a great football program. I know tthat he Nole boards have been very happy about getting Maryland off of the schedule.
 
billybud said:
And please...let's not have fans from one area and one viewpoint presumptuously believe that they know what other fans think in a different area.

Maryland made Wake Forest look like a great football program. I know tthat he Nole boards have been very happy about getting Maryland off of the schedule.
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Yeah, I'm sure local Noles fans would rather go to Louisville to watch their beloved Noles than come to DC.
 
Hell, Maryland wasn't a real game. When you win 90% of the games it becomes like having Old Dominion on the schedule.

Would UConn guys miss the Southern Connecticut Owls if they were on the schedule and were replaced by a team that had recently won BCS Bowls?

FSU sells home tickets...already had to cope with Wake, BC, Cuse, and Maryland on the schedule....Louisville picked up the stadium.
 
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It's all for the best that Maryland moved on to the B1G. The ACC had Washington, D.C. and didn't know what to do with it. The basketball tourney was held twice in D.C. and once in Landover, MD during the conference's sixty-one year history. It's only fitting that the 2016 tournament--with no Maryland--is being staged in D.C. It's analogous to Swofford's ACC Network narrative, don't worry guys, "we're getting there!"
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Rappin'Rodney said:
It's all for the best that Maryland moved on to the B1G. The ACC had Washington, D.C. and didn't know what to do with it. The basketball tourney was held twice in D.C. and once in Landover, MD during the conference's sixty-one year history. It's only fitting that the 2016 tournament--with no Maryland--is being staged in D.C. It's analogous to Swofford's ACC Network narrative, don't worry guys, "we're getting there!"
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Rodney save the meme..you can use it again when the B-12 takes UConn and ICNcy..then follows that up with FSU/Clemson when the ACC implodes because of no network
 
billybud said:
Hell, Maryland wasn't a real game. When you win 90% of the games it becomes like having Old Dominion on the schedule.

Would UConn guys miss the Southern Connecticut Owls if they were on the schedule and were replaced by a team that had recently won BCS Bowls?

FSU sells home tickets...already had to cope with Wake, BC, Cuse, and Maryland on the schedule....Louisville picked up the stadium.
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You are totally missing the big picture. Sure, from an FSU fan point of view Maryland may not seem like a big loss. Fans want to see good games and Louisville is probably more exciting than Maryland. That said, Maryland was one of key cogs for an ACCN. Lousiville does not significantly advance the prospect of an ACCN nearly as much as Maryland did.

FSU wants to directly compete against SEC teams. That means FSU needs facilities which can match or exceed SEC programs. Without a network the ACC cannot match the SEC payout. FSU is already applying pressure on Swofford regarding an ACCN but the very decisions FSU/Clemson pushed down (allegedly threatened to leave the ACC if Louisville was not taken over UConn) significantly hurt the chances for an ACCN. An ACC with Maryland, Rutgers and UConn would be much closer to network than it is now even if it was a worse football conference. Life is hard, life is harder if you are stupid....

The BIG may not enjoy seeing Rutgers on its home schedule but it enjoys cashing that BIG revenue check. If scheduling the Southern Owls allowed UConn to create a network and make another $15 million they'd be on our schedule tomorrow.
 
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I believe the B12 will survive…in some fashion. I think the conference with ‘the problem’ is not the B12 but the ACC. The ACC has NIMBY trouble...and unless you can move the Eastern seaboard further East the ACC is going to get pinched, poached, squeezed and left for dead.

The ACC is like Poland in the 20th century…stuck between Germany and Russia (Soviet Union). And like Poland, they get effed every time there is a dust up. With the B1G and SEC as neighbors, both with a desire to skim the cream off the top, crazy mad piles of cash, networks, etc., the ‘good’ ACC schools will have to ‘affiliate’ with one or the other unless you suspend the laws of economics.

If you chop up the ACC it is not too hard to see who goes B1G, who goes SEC, and who goes to purgatory – meaning B12 or G5.

For what it is worth I should think UConn would get sucked into the vortex that is the B1G.
 
dwalks93 said:
You are totally missing the big picture. Sure, from an FSU fan point of view Maryland may not seem like a big loss. Fans want to see good games and Louisville is probably more exciting than Maryland. That said, Maryland was one of key cogs for an ACCN. Lousiville does not significantly advance the prospect of an ACCN nearly as much as Maryland did.

FSU wants to directly compete against SEC teams. That means FSU needs facilities which can match or exceed SEC programs. Without a network the ACC cannot match the SEC payout. FSU is already applying pressure on Swofford regarding an ACCN but the very decisions FSU/Clemson pushed down (allegedly threatened to leave the ACC if Louisville was not taken over UConn) significantly hurt the chances for an ACCN. An ACC with Maryland, Rutgers and UConn would be much closer to network than it is now even if it was a worse football conference. Life is hard, life is harder if you are stupid....

The BIG may not enjoy seeing Rutgers on its home schedule but it enjoys cashing that BIG revenue check. If scheduling the Southern Owls allowed UConn to create a network and make another $15 million they'd be on our schedule tomorrow.
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I agree with a lot of your take here except for the portion on FSU's Facilities. They are top notch and always will be. Football is the breadwinner of FSU Athletics. Any money the AD makes on the program will first and foremost go back into its coaches, facilities, and support staff. The remaining dollars trickle down to the rest of the university's teams and facilities. Any shortfalls in football will be made up by willing donors.

Where the TV Dollar shortfall might hurt the most in the future is how the remainder of the university's non revenue programs are handled. If suddenly Olympic Sports start to become non competitive or worse are cut from the AD, the outcry from student athletes, alums, and supporters might be enough pressure on the administration to seriously consider a move. We all know that FSU would do anything in their power to get in The SEC, but that's likely never happening. Big 12? I don't see it. B1G? Seems to be a bridge to far but who knows?
 
btstimpy said:
I hope you get it. UConn does deserve it. I think that the Big XII has some geographic challenges, but they are no more difficult that what you have today in the AAC. You should take it if it becomes available. My league is focused on other things right now unfortunately, and so is the Big Ten. UConn would be great in either the Big Ten or the ACC, but since they are not in expansion mode take a Big XII offer if it comes. It looks like the Big XII presidents authorized analysis that they will review in May.
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Wait...so we should take a P5 invite, if offered? Crimeny, that's genius. Somebody get Pres. Herbst on the phone! Our Virginia friend may just be on to something here!
 
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dwalks93 said:
You are totally missing the big picture. Sure, from an FSU fan point of view Maryland may not seem like a big loss. Fans want to see good games and Louisville is probably more exciting than Maryland. That said, Maryland was one of key cogs for an ACCN. Lousiville does not significantly advance the prospect of an ACCN nearly as much as Maryland did.

FSU wants to directly compete against SEC teams. That means FSU needs facilities which can match or exceed SEC programs. Without a network the ACC cannot match the SEC payout. FSU is already applying pressure on Swofford regarding an ACCN but the very decisions FSU/Clemson pushed down (allegedly threatened to leave the ACC if Louisville was not taken over UConn) significantly hurt the chances for an ACCN. An ACC with Maryland, Rutgers and UConn would be much closer to network than it is now even if it was a worse football conference. Life is hard, life is harder if you are stupid....

The BIG may not enjoy seeing Rutgers on its home schedule but it enjoys cashing that BIG revenue check. If scheduling the Southern Owls allowed UConn to create a network and make another $15 million they'd be on our schedule tomorrow.
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Dwalks,
He's not missing the bigger picture from an ACC perspective. With this steady dose of the Dude of WV, I can see why folks might think he is. But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, you might see why the ACC upgraded in that exchange.

First of all, the ACC lost no television access within the State of Maryland. Local TV stations in Baltimore, Salisbury, and Hagerstown carry as many ACC football and basketball games today than I get in Richmond, VA. UVA and VT alumni living in Maryland have not been impacted in terms of access to ACC game on TV at all. So no loss of market for TV by the ACC in Maryland.

Second, think about what the ACC desperately needed in 2011 and what it needed out of expansion. The answer is football cache. Nothing else. The ACC was being ridiculed by having a bad BCS bowl record. Never mind a good overall bowl record, but a bad BCS bowl record. I was reminded of that BCS bowl record here on the Boneyard many time. What did the ACC think it needed to do? The answer is add Notre Dame football. How do you do it? Bring in Eastern Schools ND recognizes. We already had BC. So why not add Pitt and Syracuse. ND wants New York games and Massachusetts games, and ND has played Pitt 60 times. They were added, and tada, ND was added right behind at least partially in football.

Then we had Wallace Loh's October surprise. What does the ACC still need? Football cache. Oh my. We're losing Maryland. What football cache is walking out the door with Maryland? From 2010 to today, Maryland has played in 2 bowl games that they lost. Once to Marshall in the Navy Stadium they did not sell out because Annapolis was too far to travel to. Second to a PAC12 team somewhere. Their coach was fired, and they could not even attract an experienced head coach from anywhere. Then the icing is they hired Mike London. Look up his record if you want. That's Maryland football cache.

The ACC added Louisville's football cache to backfill. What was it? The answer is from 2010 to today Louisville has been to six bowls. They have won 4 including a Sugar Bowl win over Florida and two months ago a win over Texas A&M. They did have a coach leave, but they backfilled quickly with another good coach. Prospects are good.

Remember what the ACC needed. Football Cache. You yourself can compare the two. And remember that the ACC lost no television access in Maryland for ACC fans.

In basketball, Maryland was a loss for the ACC. But, while Maryland walked out Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Louisville walked in. While losing 1 good basketball program, we gained 4. It has been hardly noticed.

What the ACC lost by losing Maryland was our best women's lacrosse program. It will be tough to swallow, but we'll live as I've said.
 
btstimpy said:
Dwalks,
He's not missing the bigger picture from an ACC perspective. With this steady dose of the Dude of WV, I can see why folks might think he is. But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, you might see why the ACC upgraded in that exchange.

First of all, the ACC lost no television access within the State of Maryland. Local TV stations in Baltimore, Salisbury, and Hagerstown carry as many ACC football and basketball games today than I get in Richmond, VA. UVA and VT alumni living in Maryland have not been impacted in terms of access to ACC game on TV at all. So no loss of market for TV by the ACC in Maryland.

Second, think about what the ACC desperately needed in 2011 and what it needed out of expansion. The answer is football cache. Nothing else. The ACC was being ridiculed by having a bad BCS bowl record. Never mind a good overall bowl record, but a bad BCS bowl record. I was reminded of that BCS bowl record here on the Boneyard many time. What did the ACC think it needed to do? The answer is add Notre Dame football. How do you do it? Bring in Eastern Schools ND recognizes. We already had BC. So why not add Pitt and Syracuse. ND wants New York games and Massachusetts games, and ND has played Pitt 60 times. They were added, and tada, ND was added right behind at least partially in football.

Then we had Wallace Loh's October surprise. What does the ACC still need? Football cache. Oh my. We're losing Maryland. What football cache is walking out the door with Maryland? From 2010 to today, Maryland has played in 2 bowl games that they lost. Once to Marshall in the Navy Stadium they did not sell out because Annapolis was too far to travel to. Second to a PAC12 team somewhere. Their coach was fired, and they could not even attract an experienced head coach from anywhere. Then the icing is they hired Mike London. Look up his record if you want. That's Maryland football cache.

The ACC added Louisville's football cache to backfill. What was it? The answer is from 2010 to today Louisville has been to six bowls. They have won 4 including a Sugar Bowl win over Florida and two months ago a win over Texas A&M. They did have a coach leave, but they backfilled quickly with another good coach. Prospects are good.

Remember what the ACC needed. Football Cache. You yourself can compare the two. And remember that the ACC lost no television access in Maryland for ACC fans.

In basketball, Maryland was a loss for the ACC. But, while Maryland walked out Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Louisville walked in. While losing 1 good basketball program, we gained 4. It has been hardly noticed.

What the ACC lost by losing Maryland was our best women's lacrosse program. It will be tough to swallow, but we'll live as I've said.
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Putting aside the W/L issues for a moment and just looking at TV sets, i.e. the B1G model, the ACC gave-up a lot, especially in letting a conference like the B1G access to their backyard. Basically, the ACC lost the country's 26th largest TV market (Baltimore) and a lock-down when combined with UVA at V Tech for the 9th largest TV market in DC in exchange for 50th largest TV market in Louisville. While the ACC still plays well in DC due to UVA and V Tech, the B1G now has a bigger presence when Maryland is combined with the massive alumni base that the B1G has in DC, especially Ohio St. So overall, ACC won the exchange on the field; but, lost when it comes to who has a fatter wallet. Now, if the B1G can use that cash to pry UVA or V Tech away from the ACC, the ACC is done in DC no matter how many ACC basketball tournaments are held there.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Putting aside the W/L issues for a moment and just looking at TV sets, i.e. the B1G model, the ACC gave-up a lot, especially in letting a conference like the B1G access to their backyard. Basically, the ACC lost the country's 26th largest TV market (Baltimore) and a lock-down when combined with UVA at V Tech for the 9th largest TV market in DC in exchange for 50th largest TV market in Louisville. While the ACC still plays well in DC due to UVA and V Tech, the B1G now has a bigger presence when Maryland is combined with the massive alumni base that the B1G has in DC, especially Ohio St. So overall, ACC won the exchange on the field; but, lost when it comes to who has a fatter wallet. Now, if the B1G can use that cash to pry UVA or V Tech away from the ACC, the ACC is done in DC no matter how many ACC basketball tournaments are held there.
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We lost zero TV sets in Maryland. Please understand this. It's an important piece. ACC lost no TV sets in Maryland. We may have lost access to cable boxes, but the cords are being cut right and left on those in rapid fashion, and we never had any cable boxes to begin with. We are not being paid on cable boxes. As soon as that diminishes for the BTN due to cord cutting they will have to sell Maryland football directly. Read carefully about Maryland football cache. I'm not talking about a championship won by Curly Byrd in 1953. I'm talking about this decade.
 
btstimpy said:
Dwalks,
He's not missing the bigger picture from an ACC perspective. With this steady dose of the Dude of WV, I can see why folks might think he is. But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, you might see why the ACC upgraded in that exchange.

First of all, the ACC lost no television access within the State of Maryland. Local TV stations in Baltimore, Salisbury, and Hagerstown carry as many ACC football and basketball games today than I get in Richmond, VA. UVA and VT alumni living in Maryland have not been impacted in terms of access to ACC game on TV at all. So no loss of market for TV by the ACC in Maryland.

Second, think about what the ACC desperately needed in 2011 and what it needed out of expansion. The answer is football cache. Nothing else. The ACC was being ridiculed by having a bad BCS bowl record. Never mind a good overall bowl record, but a bad BCS bowl record. I was reminded of that BCS bowl record here on the Boneyard many time. What did the ACC think it needed to do? The answer is add Notre Dame football. How do you do it? Bring in Eastern Schools ND recognizes. We already had BC. So why not add Pitt and Syracuse. ND wants New York games and Massachusetts games, and ND has played Pitt 60 times. They were added, and tada, ND was added right behind at least partially in football.

Then we had Wallace Loh's October surprise. What does the ACC still need? Football cache. Oh my. We're losing Maryland. What football cache is walking out the door with Maryland? From 2010 to today, Maryland has played in 2 bowl games that they lost. Once to Marshall in the Navy Stadium they did not sell out because Annapolis was too far to travel to. Second to a PAC12 team somewhere. Their coach was fired, and they could not even attract an experienced head coach from anywhere. Then the icing is they hired Mike London. Look up his record if you want. That's Maryland football cache.

The ACC added Louisville's football cache to backfill. What was it? The answer is from 2010 to today Louisville has been to six bowls. They have won 4 including a Sugar Bowl win over Florida and two months ago a win over Texas A&M. They did have a coach leave, but they backfilled quickly with another good coach. Prospects are good.

Remember what the ACC needed. Football Cache. You yourself can compare the two. And remember that the ACC lost no television access in Maryland for ACC fans.

In basketball, Maryland was a loss for the ACC. But, while Maryland walked out Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Louisville walked in. While losing 1 good basketball program, we gained 4. It has been hardly noticed.

What the ACC lost by losing Maryland was our best women's lacrosse program. It will be tough to swallow, but we'll live as I've said.
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Ok, so the ACC is getting a network? I guess it is not important anymore. What conference needs money and a network when they have "football cache?"

No question, ACC football is the best it has ever been...I am sure that will lessen the sting when FSU/Clemson make $20 million (and this gap is rapidly growing) less despite winning more than most SEC programs. Clearly conference realignment for the ACC was about football cache and had nothing to do with money or networks.....that is why the ACC is behind the BIG and SEC, you are proving my point.

Eventually a program like LSU is going to get tired of getting outperformed by a team like FSU. When that happens LSU will try to hire Jimbo Fisher for $8 million a year. FSU will respond and raise their offer. FSU will look to their boosters to make up the difference but guess what, LSU has boosters too. The SEC will turn this into an arms race and the ACC will be financially disadvantaged. Inevitably choice ACC programs will realize they are facing an uphill struggle against the BIG/SEC and will look to move to those conferences to compete on even financial footing.

BTW counting ND as an ACC team is fool's gold. I've watched ND help destroy one conference and they will do it again. ND does not care about the ACC, the ACC is a booty call for their Olympic sports. The ACC should only be concerned what ND wants if they sign on full time. ND cares about ND, not the ACC.
 
btstimpy said:
We lost zero TV sets in Maryland. Please understand this. It's an important piece. ACC lost no TV sets in Maryland. We may have lost access to cable boxes, but the cords are being cut right and left on those in rapid fashion, and we never had any cable boxes to begin with. We are not being paid on cable boxes. As soon as that diminishes for the BTN due to cord cutting they will have to sell Maryland football directly. Read carefully about Maryland football cache. I'm not talking about a championship won by Curly Byrd in 1953. I'm talking about this decade.
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You lost zero TV sets in Maryland because the ACC doesn't profit off any TV sets in Maryland.

The hypothetical ACC Network lost 1.1 Million potential homes which brings us back to the point that losing Maryland is not good for the ACC if they wish to continue to compete with the Big 2 conferences.

Which of course is the same point the ACC Fanboys refuse to even address thus makes this stupid thread go in circles and now I'm mad at myself for jumping in.
 
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Without a conference network model in place like the one The B1G currently enjoys, losing UMD and picking up Louisville is at worst neutral for The ACC. If this act is what allowed the conference to retain FSU and Clemson then it was a huge positive.

I don't believe we will ever see an ACCN, so gaining a stronger football program to compete for bowl games and ad dollars was a good trade for them. OTOH gaining UMD was a huge financial windfall for The B1G. They collected another AAU Member for the academics, while gaining access to Maryland's cable boxes, prospective students and recruits. Where I would be concerned if I was the ACC is for the programs that don't have the financial support of a UNC or FSU. An extra 15 million a year would go a long way at schools like VPI or GT.
 
dwalks93 said:
Ok, so the ACC is getting a network? I guess it is not important anymore. What conference needs money and a network when they have "football cache?"

No question, ACC football is the best it has ever been...I am sure that will lessen the sting when FSU/Clemson make $20 million (and this gap is rapidly growing) less despite winning more than most SEC programs. Clearly conference realignment for the ACC was about football cache and had nothing to do with money or networks.....that is why the ACC is behind the BIG and SEC, you are proving my point.

Eventually a program like LSU is going to get tired of getting outperformed by a team like FSU. When that happens LSU will try to hire Jimbo Fisher for $8 million a year. FSU will respond and raise their offer. FSU will look to their boosters to make up the difference but guess what, LSU has boosters too. The SEC will turn this into an arms race and the ACC will be financially disadvantaged. Inevitably choice ACC programs will realize they are facing an uphill struggle against the BIG/SEC and will look to move to those conferences to compete on even financial footing.

BTW counting ND as an ACC team is fool's gold. I've watched ND help destroy one conference and they will do it again. ND does not care about the ACC, the ACC is a booty call for their Olympic sports. The ACC should only be concerned what ND wants if they sign on full time. ND cares about ND, not the ACC.
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You're betting against an ACC Network as is everyone here. I know. I've seen the posts for 2 years.
The ACC is working on it. We currently have the ACC Network of syndication run by Raycom reaching 90 million TV households nationwide. During all of the expansion of 2011 and 2o12 it was just getting off the ground. The ACC is very pleased that it has been picked up and paid for by TV stations all across the US. The ACC does share in its profits outside of the former ACC footprint. So no we don't make money when it is watched in Maryland, but we did for the Louisville BC game that aired on CW in Hartford, CT last Saturday.

This network is nice and all, but it is insufficient. It only shows football and men's basketball, and the ACC is about a lot more than that. So the league is working on another network to incorporate more stuff. I know you all are betting against it here. I'm not given the information I've seen from UVA. What people are anxious about is the timing. The ACC contract with ESPN doesn't enable it before 2017. Now that we are getting closer to 2017, we want to hear something. If ESPN doesn't want to do it, there are others that have inquired about doing it.

As for LSU hiring Jimbo Fisher, they tried to 4 months ago. Jimbo said no. And your point about ND is valid. But we have more than we've ever had, so more is better. If ND continues to choose to deny its coaches and players access to any championships, it's on them. The CFP committee politically can't choose them over the 5 P5 conferences for the 4 slots, and they already deny their players an opportunity for a conference championship. They'll have to settle with playing in bowls. I'm told they are fine with that because that's how it's always been. Kinda sucks for the kids.
 
Ldandy said:
Without a conference network model in place like the one The B1G currently enjoys, losing UMD and picking up Louisville is at worst neutral for The ACC. If this act is what allowed the conference to retain FSU and Clemson then it was a huge positive.

I don't believe we will ever see an ACCN, so gaining a stronger football program to compete for bowl games and ad dollars was a good trade for them. OTOH gaining UMD was a huge financial windfall for The B1G. They collected another AAU Member for the academics, while gaining access to Maryland's cable boxes, prospective students and recruits. Where I would be concerned if I was the ACC is for the programs that don't have the financial support of a UNC or FSU. An extra 15 million a year would go a long way at schools like VPI or GT.
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Adding Maryland helped the BTN and subsequently the Big Ten. The ACC didn't lose a thing really unless we deploy a network model just like the Big Ten. Check that, we lost Maryland. But what we replaced Maryland with met our needs at the time much better than Maryland.

We have since had ACC members win 4 straight Orange Bowls defeating NIU, Ohio State, Mississippi State, and Oklahoma. Clemson has crushed Oklahoma twice. FSU won the national championship against Auburn, and Clemson lost one by 5 points because they screwed up Kickoff coverage in the 4th quarter. Louisville has come in and defeated Texas A&M. We are a far cry from being ridiculed about BCS bowl records. Correcting that is what the ACC needed at the time. And the league has.

Today the ACC has other priorities now that the football cache has been pulled out of the fire. We'll see what's next.
 
specialisthusky said:
You lost zero TV sets in Maryland because the ACC doesn't profit off any TV sets in Maryland.

The hypothetical ACC Network lost 1.1 Million potential homes which brings us back to the point that losing Maryland is not good for the ACC if they wish to continue to compete with the Big 2 conferences.

Which of course is the same point the ACC Fanboys refuse to even address thus makes this stupid thread go in circles and now I'm mad at myself for jumping in.
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If Maryland football all of a sudden turned into Ohio State, you would be right. And it's possible. But in the state it has been in since 1985, it's a good bet that it won't. Yes the ACC lost cable boxes in Maryland that it never had, and would need to make up that number somewhere else if its network is modeled like the BTN. No question. Not sure that's how the ACC want's to transition its current ACC Network with Raycom to the digital world.
 
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