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Vowelguy said:
That’s what I said.
She got fired at a P5.
She made her way back to a p5.

Ergo she got a 2nd shot at a p5 job after getting fired.
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Thanks.
On my initial read, it just didn't seem as precise as you just detailed (probably was me in between coffees.):eek::rolleyes:
 
GoldenGophs said:
I would be shocked if Smesko left, especially for Kentucky. He's got it good with FGCU, he built that program from the ground up.
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His style of play is really fun to watch. I don't know how it would work in the SEC. Hard to get up a three-point shot when the defender has you in a head lock.
 
Vowelguy said:
“Kentucky expected to hire Matthew Mitchell”
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That was a premature tweet by a reporter from Georgia. She retracted it to say Mitchell would be interested.

The AD said on a radio show they would be doing a full national search and had a lot of coaches reach out to him yesterday about the job.
 
CBus13 said:

Tweet wasn't previewing, so for those that can't see, Amanda Butler and Clemson have parted ways.

Not a super surprising decision considering her results, but the five year extension in 2022 and the incoming five-star recruit, kind of thought she'd have one more season.
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So, Clemson AD at a couple of years of Butler's contract? My, women's hoops has come a ways when that happens. Now, we've seen it at both Kentucky and Clemson, schools that have invested in facilities, see how women's hoops is becoming big (business) and don't want to fall behind the curve.

The Elmore transfer yesterday got my ears twitching a bit.....
 
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CBus13 said:

Tweet wasn't previewing, so for those that can't see, Amanda Butler and Clemson have parted ways.

Not a super surprising decision considering her results, but the five year extension in 2022 and the incoming five-star recruit, kind of thought she'd have one more season.
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Dillon77 said:
So, Clemson AD at a couple of years of Butler's contract? My, women's hoops has come a ways when that happens. Now, we've seen it at both Kentucky and Clemson, schools that have invested in facilities, see how women's hoops is becoming big (business) and don't want to fall behind the curve.

The Elmore transfer yesterday got my ears twitching a bit.....
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Well Elmote had already gotten her degree so I wasn't surprised.
 
triaddukefan said:







Well Elmote had already gotten her degree so I wasn't surprised.
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Wasn't surprised that: Elmore left? Butler was relieved of duties? Combination thereof.

On one hand, grad transfers make sense for some players, whether it be for studies or hoops. But some stay at their schools to get grad degrees. I believe Robinson was a grad transfer this year, but she chose to stay and get a special ed. degree.
 
Also surprised that Clemson made a change. It's a great school but their commitment to WCBB has been minimal. Maybe this changes starting now.
 
nwhoopfan said:
No Pac jobs officially open. I get the regional thing, but it's not like no coach has ever taken a job in a different part of the country than where their roots are. Results vary.

I just looked up ages, Ethridge is 59 and Rueck 54. Kami has been at WSU for a shorter period of time and has less of a tie to the school, I could see her leaving if a better opportunity presented itself. I gotta think Rueck has been courted at some point and didn't leave. Before this year the shine was pretty much off of him. Now who knows. Their football coach bolted (and was an OSU alum), the uncertainty of conference affiliation in the future is certainly a factor to consider.
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I think Rueck very much likes being at OSU. He's a graduate and has strong ties to the area and great fan support. I saw more orange in Las Vegas than any other color. I agree that he's been courted before and I doubt he'll leave.
 
MSSportsGuy said:
Also surprised that Clemson made a change. It's a great school but their commitment to WCBB has been minimal. Maybe this changes starting now.
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Clemson Athletic Director Graham Neff thinks Clemson has, in fact, taken some infrastructure steps and will continue to do so, which you pondered. From the official release:

“I thank Amanda for her contributions to our basketball program as head coach for the past six seasons and wish her the best in the future,” said Graham Neff. “We are committed to completing a national search for the next leader of the program as the sport continues to grow. We believe that we are resourced and supported in a way to make this one of the top teams in the nation every year."

"The women’s basketball program has participated in 16 NCAA Tournaments, four NCAA Sweet Sixteens and has two ACC Championships. Clemson recently completed $63.5 million in upgrades to Littlejohn Coliseum, and recently received Phase I approval for a $40 million expansion and renovation to the team areas," said the release.

"...make this one of the top teams in the nation every year." Hmm, that's a statement. Not the ACC or region.
Let's see who and what the orange checkbooks bring to Littlejohn.
 
Dillon77 said:
Clemson Athletic Director Graham Neff thinks Clemson has, in fact, taken some infrastructure steps and will continue to do so, which you pondered. From the official release:

“I thank Amanda for her contributions to our basketball program as head coach for the past six seasons and wish her the best in the future,” said Graham Neff. “We are committed to completing a national search for the next leader of the program as the sport continues to grow. We believe that we are resourced and supported in a way to make this one of the top teams in the nation every year."

"The women’s basketball program has participated in 16 NCAA Tournaments, four NCAA Sweet Sixteens and has two ACC Championships. Clemson recently completed $63.5 million in upgrades to Littlejohn Coliseum, and recently received Phase I approval for a $40 million expansion and renovation to the team areas," said the release.

"...make this one of the top teams in the nation every year." Hmm, that's a statement. Not the ACC or region.
Let's see who and what the orange checkbooks bring to Littlejohn.
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Honestly this is encouraging despite the fact I have no vested interest in Clemson. When I lived in the ATL area for years I was struck by the fact UGA and Clemson didn't seem to care about WCBB very much at all (and in UGA's case basketball period). Not every team can be in the upper tier of their league (and the ACC is a tough one) but there seems to be a market given how much interest there is in SC and UT with Clemson being between the two.
 
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Dillon77 said:
She had done a solid job at Buffalo. Bringing her top two players from there -- Fair and Wooley -- certainly helped jump start the program. Coach Jack has some fine athletic forwards. It will interesting to see if she can find another volume shooter/scorer to join Wooley now that Fair is out of eligibility.
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I can think of one who could be a good fit if she's tired of Tobacco Road.
 
Vowelguy said:
“Kentucky expected to hire Matthew Mitchell”
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It’s funny how I thought of him recently, but I believe he’d quit/retired because of illness. However, if he’s being thought of coaching again, and at this high level, it means that he’s doing really well. I’m happy for him, and wishing him well.
 
FormerCTrez said:
It’s funny how I thought of him recently, but I believe he’d quit/retired because of illness. However, if he’s being thought of coaching again, and at this high level, it means that he’s doing really well. I’m happy for him, and wishing him well.
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If memory holds, he had brain surgery (subdural hematoma) and has told people he redid the way he approaches his life. If he can jump back into the fray, all power to him. Best of luck in whatever he chooses to do.
 
Vowelguy said:
And Felicia Legette Jack, and Kelly Harper.

But yeah not everyone is cut out to be a tier 1 head coach, regardless of background.
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My point was after P5 jobs, Felicia (Indiana) spent time at Buffalo who was, at best an ok, mid-major and she turned them into a good mid-major with 4 NCAA bids and 1 WNIT bid in 10 years and got the Syracuse job. Kelli (NC State) went to Missouri State and again, did a good job there taking them to 5 straight post-season births before the Tennessee job. So, they repaired their image at a lower school where as Coquese Washington spiraled down at PSU going 29-51 (last 5 years) and 90-106 (overall in 12 years) and is now 7-29 in 2 years at Rutgers. I think Rutgers erred in selecting Coquese vs. a recent proven winner.

I think, like most jobs, you need success climbing the ladder and getting a top job than after just an assistant role. Making that is a big jump and is harder than many ADs think. The ACC has 4 of 15 who never coached anywhere including Jeff Walz who took over a Louisville program and made them big vs. Duke/UNC/FSU. The SEC had 4 now 3-Vandy, Auburn & MSU. The Big 12 has 3 with Collen-WNBA, Huey-Houston, Whiting-BYU . The PAC12 has 2-Close at UCLA and Barnes at Arizona. The Big 10 has zero. That is 11 of 69 P5 Coaches who never ran a program before their current team. I guess we could list the last 5 years of P5 firings to see how "just assistant coach experience" vs. "prior head coach experience" to really tell but 5 out of 6 times some prior experience seems to be the rule for P5.
 
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DefenseBB said:
My point was after P5 jobs, Felicia (Indiana) spent time at Buffalo who was, at best an ok, mid-major and she turned them into a good mid-major with 4 NCAA bids and 1 WNIT bid in 10 years and got the Syracuse job. Kelli (NC State) went to Missouri State and again, did a good job there taking them to 5 straight post-season births before the Tennessee job. So, they repaired their image at a lower school where as Coquese Washington spiraled down at PSU going 29-51 (last 5 years) and 90-106 (overall in 12 years) and is now 7-29 in 2 years at Rutgers. I think Rutgers erred in selecting Coquese vs. a recent proven winner.

I think, like most jobs, you need success climbing the ladder and getting a top job than after just an assistant role. Making that is a big jump and is harder than many ADs think. The ACC has 4 of 15 who never coached anywhere including Jeff Walz who took over a Louisville program and made them big vs. Duke/UNC/FSU. The SEC had 4 now 3-Vandy, Auburn & MSU. The Big 12 has 3 with Collen-WNBA, Huey-Houston, Whiting-BYU . The PAC12 has 2-Close at UCLA and Barnes at Arizona. The Big 10 has zero. That is 11 of 69 P5 Coaches who never ran a program before their current team. I guess we could list the last 5 years of P5 firings to see how "just assistant coach experience" vs. "prior head coach experience" to really tell but 5 out of 6 times some prior experience seems to be the rule for P5.
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Ahh.
I was on a different track, noting that while rare it is possible to get a 2nd try at P5 success.

Are there other examples besides the 3 noted?
 
Vowelguy said:
Ahh.
I was on a different track, noting that while rare it is possible to get a 2nd try at P5 success.

Are there other examples besides the 3 noted?
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Well, Amanda Butler comes to mind at the moment (Florida, Clemson) :confused:
 
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Vowelguy said:
Has there ever been a major job that Jeff Walz hasn’t been “interested” in? I know he’s pals with Geno and has been very complimentary of UConn but his schtick is kinda old.
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Similar to the Masters...."the tradition continues". That exact thought came to mind when I read the tweet.
 
Dillon77 said:
Clemson Athletic Director Graham Neff thinks Clemson has, in fact, taken some infrastructure steps and will continue to do so, which you pondered. From the official release:

“I thank Amanda for her contributions to our basketball program as head coach for the past six seasons and wish her the best in the future,” said Graham Neff. “We are committed to completing a national search for the next leader of the program as the sport continues to grow. We believe that we are resourced and supported in a way to make this one of the top teams in the nation every year."

"The women’s basketball program has participated in 16 NCAA Tournaments, four NCAA Sweet Sixteens and has two ACC Championships. Clemson recently completed $63.5 million in upgrades to Littlejohn Coliseum, and recently received Phase I approval for a $40 million expansion and renovation to the team areas," said the release.

"...make this one of the top teams in the nation every year." Hmm, that's a statement. Not the ACC or region.
Let's see who and what the orange checkbooks bring to Littlejohn.
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Sounds like some Gamecock envy! They want their own Dawn Staley. Hopefully they get someone good because I want the rivalry to be competitive.
 
Vowelguy said:
Ahh.
I was on a different track, noting that while rare it is possible to get a 2nd try at P5 success.

Are there other examples besides the 3 noted?
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Mark Trakh is a really odd example. USC to New Mexico State to USC.
 
Vowelguy said:
Soooooo close!
I predicted Butler would be the first to go, and she was 2nd.

As usual, underperformance from Ms Butler
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Way to go Vowelguy. Double pat on the back to @DefenseBB . Coaches Elzy and Butler were his #1 choices in his 2nd (Performance is showing the spiral is not recoverable) and 3rd (The list of coaches who really have shown very little to warrant keeping) categories. In fact, you and he are pretty much are word for word there.
 
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