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2021 Recruiting: Landers Nolley

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CallMeBruce said:
I know he was pretty good the year before, but Eaddy was so mediocre last year. It's hard to believe we can't recruit someone better than that.
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Yeah agreed. If you want a small guard that can shoot, Kelly from QU makes more sense to me. Better career 3P% and I don’t think either is coming here for their defensive prowess. In general, I think these types should be back up options more so than primary targets.
 
UConnStats said:
Yeah agreed. If you want a small guard that can shoot, Kelly from QU makes more sense to me. Better career 3P% and I don’t think either is coming here for their defensive prowess. In general, I think these types should be back up options more so than primary targets.
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kelly was a -4 dbpm in a terrible conference.

Now he’d be in the NBE.

that’s really concerning to me. Especially after losing vital.
 
the Q said:
kelly was a -4 dbpm in a terrible conference.

Now he’d be in the NBE.

that’s really concerning to me. Especially after losing vital.
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By DBPM he was 2nd best on the team to Marfo though. QU was a horrible defensive team so with Marfo as the exception (driven by DReb%), I’d expect all of their defensive numbers to be terrible, especially if you adjust for SOS.

I agree that he’d be a negative on that end, but if you play the matchups well enough you can hide that at times, and it would be nice to have a proven 40% 3P shooter to go to.

I agree that our priority shouldn’t be with either he or Eaddy. Just saying we could definitely do worse and I think he’d be more useful than Anderson was.
 
UConnStats said:
By DBPM he was 2nd best on the team to Marfo though. QU was a horrible defensive team so with Marfo as the exception (driven by DReb%), I’d expect all of their defensive numbers to be terrible, especially if you adjust for SOS.

I agree that he’d be a negative on that end, but if you play the matchups well enough you can hide that at times, and it would be nice to have a proven 40% 3P shooter to go to.

I agree that our priority shouldn’t be with either he or Eaddy. Just saying we could definitely do worse and I think he’d be more useful than Anderson was.
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What do you think the thinking with the eaddy offer was? Strictly a depth piece?
 
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I personally would prefer McGowens rather than Eaddy but at the end of the day I trust who Hurley pull in
 
Apologies if this was already covered, but does anyone know why he redshirted his freshman year? Was it injury related? Seems odd if it was developmental as he was a good recruit and had a pretty developed body.
 
ucawn said:
I personally would prefer McGowens rather than Eaddy but at the end of the day I trust who Hurley pull in
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I think McGowens maybe looking for playing time. That wouldn’t be readily available here with Nolley in the fold
 
Mooch82 said:
Apologies if this was already covered, but does anyone know why he redshirted his freshman year? Was it injury related? Seems odd if it was developmental as he was a good recruit and had a pretty developed body.
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Looks like it as an academic qualifying issue because of an ACT score.
 
AntG168 said:
I think McGowens maybe looking for playing time. That wouldn’t be readily available here with Nolley in the fold
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Sort of. McGowen is a 2/3 and Nolley a 3/4. Not as much overlap as you'd think. I am sure we're recruiting Nolley to play the 4.

McGowen has a harder road to playing time--Bouk/Adams both will play 2/3 with Jackson getting minutes mostly at the 3 (maybe some small ball 4) too. But he's better than Adams and could push him out a bit.

My guess is they all played at the 2/3/4.. (so, 120 mins available


Bouk-25 mins @ the 2
Adams--10 mins at the 3
Mcgowen--10 mins @ the 2, 15 @ the 3
Jackson--15 mins at the 3, 5 mins at the 4
Polley-- 10 mins @ the 4 (more later in the season as he heals, potentially.. kind of accounting for injury here)
Nolley-- 25 mins @ the 4

Our positions are fluid and interchangeable. Thinking more about defense with that.
 
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husky429 said:
Sort of. McGowen is a 2/3 and Nolley a 3/4. Not as much overlap as you'd think. I am sure we're recruiting Nolley to play the 4.

McGowen has a harder road to playing time--Bouk/Adams both will play 2/3 with Jackson getting minutes mostly at the 3 (maybe some small ball 4) too. But he's better than Adams and could push him out a bit.

My guess is they all played at the 2/3/4.. (so, 120 mins available


Bouk-25 mins @ the 2
Adams--10 mins at the 3
Mcgowen--10 mins @ the 2, 15 @ the 3
Jackson--15 mins at the 3, 5 mins at the 4
Polley-- 10 mins @ the 4 (more later in the season as he heals, potentially.. kind of accounting for injury here)
Nolley-- 25 mins @ the 4

Our positions are fluid and interchangeable. Thinking more about defense with that.
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I’d take him with Nolley without hesitation. We’d be one of the most versatile teams in the country
 
AntG168 said:
I’d take him with Nolley without hesitation. We’d be one of the most versatile teams in the country
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I totally forgot Springs too. Somebody is gonna see less minutes than theyd like with or without nolley
 
husky429 said:
Sort of. McGowen is a 2/3 and Nolley a 3/4. Not as much overlap as you'd think. I am sure we're recruiting Nolley to play the 4.

McGowen has a harder road to playing time--Bouk/Adams both will play 2/3 with Jackson getting minutes mostly at the 3 (maybe some small ball 4) too. But he's better than Adams and could push him out a bit.

My guess is they all played at the 2/3/4.. (so, 120 mins available


Bouk-25 mins @ the 2
Adams--10 mins at the 3
Mcgowen--10 mins @ the 2, 15 @ the 3
Jackson--15 mins at the 3, 5 mins at the 4
Polley-- 10 mins @ the 4 (more later in the season as he heals, potentially.. kind of accounting for injury here)
Nolley-- 25 mins @ the 4

Our positions are fluid and interchangeable. Thinking more about defense with that.
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Nolley doesn't want to play the 4 though. Labels probably don't matter much because Hurley wants to play positionless basketball.
 
husky429 said:
I totally forgot Springs too. Somebody is gonna see less minutes than theyd like with or without nolley
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And that’s without accounting for Akok’s mid season return. I think Polley may be the easiest sell on less minutes because of his injury. But this is a problem elite programs have. Someone that’s really good is going to be on the bench
 
AntG168 said:
And that’s without accounting for Akok’s mid season return. I think Polley may be the easiest sell on less minutes because of his injury. But this is a problem elite programs have. Someone that’s really good is going to be on the bench
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I doubt Akok plays next season. No intel--just a gut feeling talking to PTs I know.
 
superjohn said:
Nolley doesn't want to play the 4 though. Labels probably don't matter much because Hurley wants to play positionless basketball.
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He wants to play the wing. Our 3/4 are basically the same position as you know. A lot of face ups, cutting, 3s. I'm thinking more on defense. Having him defend the 4 hide some of his lack of athleticism.

The issue is that an athletic shotblocker at the 3 and 4 suits Hurley's defensive system best. But in the end talent is talent.

I wonder if Hurley will back off the pressure D some considering RJ, Bouk, Gaff, Nolley (I hope), Polley, Springs aren't exactly superior defenders.. and with a freshman Jackson too. And Calrton/Javonte Brown Ferguson not able to hard hedge and recover well. I do think Bouk and Gaff have some serious potential to smother teams at the point of attack if they get stronger mentally/physically.
 
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husky429 said:
He wants to play the wing. Our 3/4 are basically the same position as you know. A lot of face ups, cutting, 3s. I'm thinking more on defense. Having him defend the 4 hide some of his lack of athleticism.
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thank you. wont believe a 6'7 230 lbs below average athlete is a college SG until i see it. i buy college SF but ideally he's a stretch 4

this sounds just like kevin freeman trying to play down a position to increase his odds of being drafted but nba SFs are generally the best and most versatile athletes in the league. just sayin.
 
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bendm said:
thank you. wont believe a 6'7 230 lbs below average athlete is a college SG until i see it. i buy college SF but ideally he's a stretch 4

this sounds just like kevin freeman trying to play down a position to increase his odds of being drafted but nba SFs are generally the best and most versatile athletes in the league. just sayin.
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Early in the season when I watched him he was clearly a wing with guard skills. You obviously haven't watched him if you think his game is anything like Freeman's.
 
superjohn said:
Early in the season when I watched him he was clearly a wing with guard skills. You obviously haven't watched him if you think his game is anything like Freeman's.
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Yeah the Freeman comparison is awful. He's a skilled SF, good shooter, ball handler, passer. Not a plus athlete but seems to have a very good feel for the game. Will play more 4 than 2 for us based on Dan Hurley's offense and how the college game is nowadays. He's really a combo forward; don't love him as a 2.
 
superjohn said:
Early in the season when I watched him he was clearly a wing with guard skills. You obviously haven't watched him if you think his game is anything like Freeman's.
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Mooch82 said:
Yeah the Freeman comparison is awful. He's a skilled SF, good shooter, ball handler, passer. Not a plus athlete but seems to have a very good feel for the game. Will play more 4 than 2 for us based on Dan Hurley's offense and how the college game is nowadays. He's really a combo forward; don't love him as a 2.
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you guys need to work on your reading comprehension if you feel the need to be so aggressive. i never compared nolley's game to freeman's. i compared their desire to move down a position to improve their draft stock at the expense of being most effective in college.... @husky429 specifically said nolley should play the 4 on D to hide his lack of athleticism.
 
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bendm said:
you guys need to work on your reading comprehension especially when being so aggressive. i never compared his game to freeman's. i compared his desire to move down a position to improve his draft stock.... @husky429 specifically said he should play the 4 on D to hide his lack of athleticism.
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We read your post just fine. Nolley is a wing who has guard skills, he played as a guard in high school and at Va Tech early in the year but Young was putting him down low more and more as the season went on because he didn't have anyone on the team over 6'7 who could play. The situation is nothing like Freeman's and Freeman didn't have any of the wing guard skills Nolley does. It's just a terrible example.
 
superjohn said:
We read your post just fine.
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nope, not if you thought i compared nolley's game to freeman's, as you clearly stated.

nolley also weighed 195 lbs in highschool according to 247, not 230.
 
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bendm said:
nope, not if you thought i compared nolley's game to freeman's, as you clearly stated.

nolley also weighed 195 lbs in highschool according to 247 not 230.
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Just watch him play and learn about Va Tech's team this season. It's absolutely nothing like Freeman trying to move to the perimeter.
 
superjohn said:
Just watch him play and learn about Va Tech's team this season. It's absolutely nothing like Freeman trying to move to the perimeter.
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do you disagree with @husky429 saying he should play the 4 on D to hide his lack of athleticism or not? i'm deferring to his scouting take over yours.
 
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superjohn said:
We read your post just fine. Nolley is a wing who has guard skills, he played as a guard in high school and at Va Tech early in the year but Young was putting him down low more and more as the season went on because he didn't have anyone on the team over 6'7 who could play. The situation is nothing like Freeman's and Freeman didn't have any of the wing guard skills Nolley does. It's just a terrible example.
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Does he have the speed to play at the 2 guard defensively? He's 6-7 230. If so he must be a load taking it to the hoop.
 
In quarantine with nothing to do. his FG% is concerning and people have said he's known as a ball-stopper ISO guy So I went through all of his individual game highlights and looked at the types of shots he's taking. I'll consider anything where he's fouled, a 3, or a layup to be a good shot. Any mid-range shots or

I am aware the sample is bad because it's a highlight and only from the games he played well. But they do include all the baskets he made and when he was fouled, just not always whether he made the FTs. I haven't left the house in days. Let me have this moment.

Long 2/Bad 3: 21

Good 3s: 14

Layup/Dunk/Fouled: 23

... Yeah, so there's the problem with his %s. Nearly as many low % bad shots as layups or fouls is absurd shot selection. This should be more like 10/20/38. Seems to be a few reasons why...

1.) He doesn't seem to be very good getting to the rim. Tends to jumpstop and shoot the 10-12 footer instead of kicking to a shooter or pivoting in for the layup. I think it's partly an athleticism and partly a technique thing. If he got his hips turned and got his shoulders bit lower, it could make up for some of the first step slowness.

2.) There is something schematically wrong with what Mike Young did. He obviously has a perimeter footwork skillset, but he keeps posting up Nolley on the high shoulder 15ft out.

3.) He dribbles way too much even when he IS on the perimeter. Seems like a mental error a good coach (Hurley) could help fix. What he needs is the old Popovich 0.5 second drill. When you scrimmage--it's 0.5 seconds to shoot, attack the basket, or pass the ball--nothing else or it's a turnover.

There's a reason why Nolley is maybe the most sought after transfer right now. The kid is talented. He makes TOUGH shots, but just needs a better system to expose his skillset.

We'd be tremendously lucky to have him on our roster.
 
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