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Knight Commission

superjohn said:
This is insane, they must really want men's basketball to break away from the NCAA...

www.espn.com

Knight Commission urges NCAA to immediately implement gender, racial equality measures

The Knight Commission on Monday urged the NCAA to act immediately on two proposals to correct racial and gender inequities in NCAA athletics revenue distribution.
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Even if there's only a little profit it is weird the NCAA awards no money to the teams that play on the women's tourney. What could possibly be the reason for that?
 
"The NCAA awards 28% of its annual revenue distribution based on Division I men's basketball teams' wins and participation in the NCAA men's March Madness tournament".

Seems like lazy reporting not to mention how much of the NCAA annual revenue comes from the men's basketball tournament. If it's more than 28% I think there's a conversation to be had.
 
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superjohn said:
The same reason the schools in the Cross Country and Rifle championships aren't awarded money, they don't bring any money into the NCAA.
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Because the networks, prior to this year, spent little to no time marketing the women's tournament. They weren't even allowed to brand it March Madness until this season.
 
The non-revenue sports may not bring in any money to the NCAA, but they certainly benefit when UConn gets $x amount due to men's basketball success. A rising tide lifts all ships. Why shouldn't other schools benefit considering they had as much to do with the generation of those revenues as the non-revenue programs at the school?
 
superjohn said:
The same reason the schools in the Cross Country and Rifle championships aren't awarded money, they don't bring any money into the NCAA.
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I assume the women's tourney produces some revenue. But I'd wonder if it is a net positive more merely enough to offset the costs of hosting it.

"The general principle should be, if money is going out to male teams for any reason, it should be going to female teams for the same reason," said Robbie Kaplan, the founding partner of the firm.

I'm ok with that as long as the "reason" is that the tournament produce revenues and it is shared with the schools. It certainly shouldn't be the same amount of money.
www.forbes.com

NCAA Bullish On Change For Women’s Basketball Tournament Revenue And Distribution

Ahead of the women's Final Four, NCAA President Mark Emmert says there have been preliminary discussions about distributing tournament revenue to women's programs.
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I'm ok with the NCAA doing some income redistribution. It's not exactly a for-profit organization. Nor is it a competent organization.... so sure, why not
 
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upstater said:
Even if there's only a little profit it is weird the NCAA awards no money to the teams that play on the women's tourney. What could possibly be the reason for that?
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Just thinking out loud, but is it possible the women's tournament loses money? I really don't know. Short of that, I'm with you. I'm actually a bit skeptical of the statement made by the Knight Org.
 
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NDakotaHusky said:
Just thinking out loud, but is it possible the women's tournament loses money? I really don't know. Short of that, I'm with you. I'm actually a bit skeptical of the statement made by the Knight Org.
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The women's tournament loses a little bit of money and the men's tournament makes close to a billion dollars which funds all the rest of the NCAA sports.
 
superjohn said:
You think not using the March Madness name is why so few people watch women's basketball compared to men's basketball?
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I think not hyping up the women's tournament as much as the men's is why fewer people watch it and not calling it March Madness plays into that.
 
Neither proposal is very good. The women don’t bring in as much revenue as the men. I could understand giving out NCAA tournament shares to women’s teams at a fraction of the men based on the disparity of revenue.

With regards to the racial equity system of pulling bonuses based on graduation rates of more than 25% difference between white and black athletes, you would actually be hurting black athletes as schools would be less likely to take players that could leave early for the pros (who would be predominantly black in basketball and football) and ding the APR.
 
WingU-Conn said:
why is it insane for non-profit, tax-exempt, entities to share revenues equally?
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Because they don't equally bring in revenue, one sport brings in around a billion dollars while other sports lose money for the NCAA.
 
upstater said:
Even if there's only a little profit it is weird the NCAA awards no money to the teams that play on the women's tourney. What could possibly be the reason for that?
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What if there was no profit? The vast majority of NCAA championships are an expense, not a profit making venture. Now, I’d be fully supportive of a formula that awards X percentage points of profit for each win by a college team regardless of gender but if the woman’s championship isn’t making any money, then there’d be nothing to allocate.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I assume the women's tourney produces some revenue. But I'd wonder if it is a net positive more merely enough to offset the costs of hosting it.

"The general principle should be, if money is going out to male teams for any reason, it should be going to female teams for the same reason," said Robbie Kaplan, the founding partner of the firm.

I'm ok with that as long as the "reason" is that the tournament produce revenues and it is shared with the schools. It certainly shouldn't be the same amount of money.
www.forbes.com

NCAA Bullish On Change For Women’s Basketball Tournament Revenue And Distribution

Ahead of the women's Final Four, NCAA President Mark Emmert says there have been preliminary discussions about distributing tournament revenue to women's programs.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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This article explains the revenue disparity and the money/funding gap...

NCAA document shows men's, women's tournament money gaps - The Athletic
theathletic.com

NCAA document highlights men’s, women’s tournament budget and income disparities

The disparity between the Division I men’s and women’s basketball championships was highlighted in a document provided to multiple media outlets by the NCAA on Friday, not just in money spent on the tournaments, but the net income brought in by the men’s compared to the women’s in the 2018-19...
theathletic.com theathletic.com
 
shizzle787 said:
Neither proposal is very good. The women don’t bring in as much revenue as the men. I could understand giving out NCAA tournament shares to women’s teams at a fraction of the men based on the disparity of revenue.

With regards to the racial equity system of pulling bonuses based on graduation rates of more than 25% difference between white and black athletes, you would actually be hurting black athletes as schools would be less likely to take players that could leave early for the pros (who would be predominantly black in basketball and football) and ding the APR.
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Completely off base on the second part. Ignoring all the undertones, your APR is not hurt if you leave the school in good standing academically
 
How can they distribute money back to the women's programs when the NCAA doesn't make any money off of them? Where is the money going to come from? Did the people on these commissions get their finance degrees from Providence? They live in a fantasy world.
 
phillionaire said:
I think not hyping up the women's tournament as much as the men's is why fewer people watch it and not calling it March Madness plays into that.
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Agree completely! In prior years, I didn’t watch the women’s tournaments at all because I was confused that it wasn’t called March madness. :rolleyes:
 
navery12 said:
Completely off base on the second part. Ignoring all the undertones, your APR is not hurt if you leave the school in good standing academically
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Are you sure? I feel as if that was part of what dinged in the whole (B.S.) APR scandal.
 
CL82 said:
Agree completely! In prior years, I didn’t watch the women’s tournaments at all because I was confused that it wasn’t called March madness. :rolleyes:
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Good one but that doesn’t change the fact that the ncaa undervalues Womens sports and it feeds into the false narrative that nobody cares about Womens sports
www.wsj.com

NCAA Undervalued Women’s Basketball Tournament by Millions While Prioritizing Men’s Tourney, Report Finds

The NCAA has undervalued its annual women’s basketball tournament by tens of millions of dollars, according to a report by a law firm hired by the NCAA.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
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aburks41 said:
How can they distribute money back to the women's programs when the NCAA doesn't make any money off of them? Where is the money going to come from? Did the people on these commissions get their finance degrees from Providence? They live in a fantasy world.
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Well, to be fair, we live in a world in which you can get “refundable tax credits”. The logic is pretty similar.
 
CL82 said:
Are you sure? I feel as if that was part of what dinged in the whole (B.S.) APR scandal.
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I could be wrong but I believe it's been changed since then with the rise in transfers. Someone mentioned it in one of the dozen transfer threads this offseason
 
phillionaire said:
Good one but that doesn’t change the fact that the ncaa undervalues Womens sports and it feeds into the false narrative that nobody cares about Womens sports
www.wsj.com

NCAA Undervalued Women’s Basketball Tournament by Millions While Prioritizing Men’s Tourney, Report Finds

The NCAA has undervalued its annual women’s basketball tournament by tens of millions of dollars, according to a report by a law firm hired by the NCAA.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
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Yeah, respectfully disagree. There is a whole lot of speculation in that report. It’s been discussed ad nauseam, but, the fair market value for women’s basketball has been established by the market. It is the price that ESPN pays CBS for the rights. The fact that someone “imagines“ that the woman’s tournament can make more really doesn’t change that. For what it’s worth, I’ve read the underlined report and it is “speculative“ at best.

That said, on a go forward basis, I’d suggest the same “profit“ sharing rules be applied to both the men’s and women’s tournament. Further, I would suggest that the rates be sold separately, and not as a bundle with the men’s basketball rights. In that way the value of the rights can be agreed-upon, as key in the expenses of the tournaments and whether or not there is a net profit.
 
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