Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Fishy]

I’m not sure I agree with FSU and Clemson getting almost nothing. This was a negotiation where both sides needed to look like they got something. The ACC bought itself a few years of relative quiet, and FSU/Clemson got a workable number that makes leaving the ACC entirely possible. If performance based payments are based on ratings, then they made out there as well. FSU and Clemson will almost always be cashing the biggest checks without making it look like The Boston Colleges and Wakes are being completely extorted.

Where are they going?

We know where UNC and UVa are going - the P2. But where are Clemson and FSU going?

 

[JMick]

I can't believe some big mouth moron leaking to Zanetto is what ultimately killed our athletic department.

 

[Exit 4]

Where are they going?

We know where UNC and UVa are going - the P2. But where are Clemson and FSU going?

Hopefully its an incredibly embarrassing series of highly public meetings w/o a P2 invite followed by a humbling tour of the B12 with a special deal - a clone of the ACC prize money unbalanced package. The B12 will be getting their media deal repriced at that point while the ACC will be bound to their refreshed deal through spring 2036 (I believe, although was this ever confirm anywhere?). The B12 $$ might not be too much higher in $$, but will it give the big egos at Clemson/FSU the stroking Greensboro wont do?

 

[Exit 4]

I can't believe some big mouth moron leaking to Zanetto is what ultimately killed our athletic department.

It was instate political turmoil and a lack of instate appetite for an SMU type deal.

 

[Fishy]

Hopefully its an incredibly embarrassing series of highly public meetings w/o a P2 invite followed by a humbling tour of the B12 with a special deal - a clone of the ACC prize money unbalanced package. The B12 will be getting their media deal repriced at that point while the ACC will be bound to their refreshed deal through spring 2036 (I believe, although was this ever confirm anywhere?). The B12 $$ might not be too much higher in $$, but will it give the big egos at Clemson/FSU the stroking Greensboro wont do?

Never underestimate the amount of ego stroking that Greensboro has done for Clemson and Florida State. You just need to look at Louisville sitting in our seat there.

One thing folks are overlooking with the Big 12 is that they are pretty maxed out, even compared to the ACC. Yorkmark seems to understand that which is why he was looking at UConn in the first place, even if he was undermined by the media, a sitting senator and his cow college presidents who have an inflated view of themselves after simply surviving by going to market before the Pac12.

No one is going to break the bank for the Big 12 in 2030 and the ACC will almost certainly still be in a better position even if they lose UNC and UVa. Fox is already paying $65M a year for the state of Kansas….that feels like enough.

Personally, I just want bad things to happen to all of them.

 

[Exit 4]

Never underestimate the amount of ego stroking that Greensboro has done for Clemson and Florida State. You just need to look at Louisville sitting in our seat there.

One thing folks are overlooking with the Big 12 is that they are pretty maxed out, even compared to the ACC. Yorkmark seems to understand that which is why he was looking at UConn in the first place, even if he was undermined by the media, a sitting senator and his cow college presidents who have an inflated view of themselves after simply surviving by going to market before the Pac12.

No one is going to break the bank for the Big 12 in 2030 and the ACC will almost certainly still be in a better position even if they lose UNC and UVa. Fox is already paying $65M a year for the state of Kansas….that feels like enough.

Personally, I just want bad things to happen to all of them.

Can't argue with much here. Sports media rights might still be frothy and insane for college football (top 2-4 conf) come 2030 or it might finally be at a plateau. I just don't know. If there isn't a bump, say 20-50%, then agreed FSY/Clemson are stuck in the ACC through 2036. The B12 will need bump money to get a fish on.

 

[NowInStorrs]

I can't believe some big mouth moron leaking to Zanetto is what ultimately killed our athletic department.

Connecticut senators and Big East nostalgia fans may have also played a role

 

[UConnJim]

One thing folks are overlooking with the Big 12 is that they are pretty maxed out, even compared to the ACC. Yorkmark seems to understand that which is why he was looking at UConn in the first place, even if he was undermined by the media, a sitting senator and his cow college presidents who have an inflated view of themselves after simply surviving by going to market before the Pac12.

No one is going to break the bank for the Big 12 in 2030 and the ACC will almost certainly still be in a better position even if they lose UNC and UVa. Fox is already paying $65M a year for the state of Kansas….that feels like enough.

But, this past season's TV ratings don't support your statements as Big 12 football had more eyeballs then the ACC. This was from a previous post and this includes FSU and Clemson so if Clemson and FSU left, the Big 12 would have far and away better TV ratings than the ACC.

Week 0/1: ACC: 11.002 million, Big 12: 9.443 million
Week 2: ACC: 4.642 million, Big 12: 6.138 million
Week 3: ACC: 4.137 million, Big 12: 4.166 million
Week 4: ACC: 5.311 million, Big 12: 9.035 million
Week 5: ACC: 4.781 million, Big 12: 8.174 million
Week 6: ACC: 5.831 million, Big 12: 4.821 million
Week 7: ACC: 2.580 million, Big 12: 4.642 million

Total viewers: Big 12: 48.857 million viewers, ACC: 38.284 million viewers.

This is a small sample size, but it clearly shows the Big 12 is holding it's own or doing better versus the ACC and the trends continued throughout the season.

 

[CL82]

Where are they going?

We know where UNC and UVa are going - the P2. But where are Clemson and FSU going?

Given FSU decided preference not to be in a conference with us, let's hope they find a home somewhere else.

 

[Hoophound]

But, this past season's TV ratings don't support your statements as Big 12 football had more eyeballs then the ACC. This was from a previous post and this includes FSU and Clemson so if Clemson and FSU left, the Big 12 would have far and away better TV ratings than the ACC.

Week 0/1: ACC: 11.002 million, Big 12: 9.443 million
Week 2: ACC: 4.642 million, Big 12: 6.138 million
Week 3: ACC: 4.137 million, Big 12: 4.166 million
Week 4: ACC: 5.311 million, Big 12: 9.035 million
Week 5: ACC: 4.781 million, Big 12: 8.174 million
Week 6: ACC: 5.831 million, Big 12: 4.821 million
Week 7: ACC: 2.580 million, Big 12: 4.642 million

Total viewers: Big 12: 48.857 million viewers, ACC: 38.284 million viewers.

This is a small sample size, but it clearly shows the Big 12 is holding it's own or doing better versus the ACC and the trends continued throughout the season.

This is why we matter. The B12 needs to take a shot at the ACC’s territory. UCF, WVU and Cincy do not come close to taking a real swing at the ACC.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Given FSU decided preference not to be in a conference with us, let's hope they find a home somewhere else.

Or maybe now that they can theoretically make SEC type money given the unequal revenue sharing arrangement, they soften their hard stance against UConn and value what we bring other than FB? Maybe not, but interesting to think about how the unequal revenue share might change traditional thinking; including how a school like UConn would not be so dilutive to the top FB brand schools in the ACC.

 

[Kolumbo]

Or maybe now that they can theoretically make SEC type money given the unequal revenue sharing arrangement, they soften their hard stance against UConn and value what we bring other than FB? Maybe not, but interesting to think about how the unequal revenue share might change traditional thinking; including how a school like UConn would not be so dilutive to the top FB brand schools in the ACC.

Big Ten and ACC at 18 members
Big XII and SEC at 16 members
It seems 18 is probably the number unless one of the P2 add more. But I agree, given unequal revenue sharing plus the 3 newbies in the ACC getting nothing, it would seem to make sense to invite UConn now at a greatly reduced cost.

But it is the ACC and the invitation was burned.

 

[Muddler]

Fox is already paying $65M a year for the state of Kansas….that feels like enough.

This line says it all…this thing has to burst.

 

[Fishy]

Big Ten and ACC at 18 members
Big XII and SEC at 16 members
It seems 18 is probably the number unless one of the P2 add more. But I agree, given unequal revenue sharing plus the 3 newbies in the ACC getting nothing, it would seem to make sense to invite UConn now at a greatly reduced cost.

But it is the ACC and the invitation was burned.

Looking at the conferences….I think 16 is the number.

The ACC and Big Ten made some poor choices.

 

[Fishy]

But, this past season's TV ratings don't support your statements as Big 12 football had more eyeballs then the ACC. This was from a previous post and this includes FSU and Clemson so if Clemson and FSU left, the Big 12 would have far and away better TV ratings than the ACC.

Week 0/1: ACC: 11.002 million, Big 12: 9.443 million
Week 2: ACC: 4.642 million, Big 12: 6.138 million
Week 3: ACC: 4.137 million, Big 12: 4.166 million
Week 4: ACC: 5.311 million, Big 12: 9.035 million
Week 5: ACC: 4.781 million, Big 12: 8.174 million
Week 6: ACC: 5.831 million, Big 12: 4.821 million
Week 7: ACC: 2.580 million, Big 12: 4.642 million

Total viewers: Big 12: 48.857 million viewers, ACC: 38.284 million viewers.

This is a small sample size, but it clearly shows the Big 12 is holding it's own or doing better versus the ACC and the trends continued throughout the season.

There’s a ton of Coach Prime inflation in there, but still, who cares? You wasted your time.

The ACC makes more money than the B12. The ACC will continue to make more money than the B12. Your lil homework project does not change any of that.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Connecticut senators and Big East nostalgia fans may have also played a role

There are plenty of political boards on the internet. This would be welcome on many of them, but it isn’t remotely true.

Yormark was not cloak and dagger about his interest in UConn, and I think the decision for UConn to walk away from the basketball-only offer that as on the table was mutual.

People need to stop the idiotic fantasy that UConn is getting anything resembling a full share offer to the Big 12 or ACC as a lone addition without something seismic happening first. Since that is the reality, people can stop using this situation as a back door for making political posts.

 

[Eavesdrop]

Where are they going?

We know where UNC and UVa are going - the P2. But where are Clemson and FSU going?

Both school administrations absolutely believe they will eventually be in either the SEC or Big Ten.

You obviously believe the opposite.

We will know for sure in a few years.

 

[UConnJim]

There’s a ton of Coach Prime inflation in there, but still, who cares? You wasted your time.

The ACC makes more money than the B12. The ACC will continue to make more money than the B12. Your lil homework project does not change any of that.

Conference championship viewers:

Big 12: Arizona St. vs. Iowa St. 6.9 million

ACC: SMU vs Clemson. 5.98 million

 

[Sea Goat]

I’m not sure I agree with FSU and Clemson getting almost nothing. This was a negotiation where both sides needed to look like they got something. The ACC bought itself a few years of relative quiet, and FSU/Clemson got a workable number that makes leaving the ACC entirely possible. If performance based payments are based on ratings, then they made out there as well. FSU and Clemson will almost always be cashing the biggest checks without making it look like The Boston Colleges and Wakes are being completely extorted.

Maybe it should look like the dregs of A&PCC (BC, WF, SU etc.) are being extorted...

 

[JeepCSC]

There’s a ton of Coach Prime inflation in there, but still, who cares? You wasted your time.

The ACC makes more money than the B12. The ACC will continue to make more money than the B12. Your lil homework project does not change any of that.

The ACC saw Coach Prime, and raised a Coach Belichick. Your move Midwest.

 

[ZooCougar]

But, this past season's TV ratings don't support your statements as Big 12 football had more eyeballs then the ACC. This was from a previous post and this includes FSU and Clemson so if Clemson and FSU left, the Big 12 would have far and away better TV ratings than the ACC.

Week 0/1: ACC: 11.002 million, Big 12: 9.443 million
Week 2: ACC: 4.642 million, Big 12: 6.138 million
Week 3: ACC: 4.137 million, Big 12: 4.166 million
Week 4: ACC: 5.311 million, Big 12: 9.035 million
Week 5: ACC: 4.781 million, Big 12: 8.174 million
Week 6: ACC: 5.831 million, Big 12: 4.821 million
Week 7: ACC: 2.580 million, Big 12: 4.642 million

Total viewers: Big 12: 48.857 million viewers, ACC: 38.284 million viewers.

This is a small sample size, but it clearly shows the Big 12 is holding it's own or doing better versus the ACC and the trends continued throughout the season.

That’s irrelevant if they can’t convert that into more money than the ACC. It simply doesn’t matter.

 

[CL82]

The ACC makes more money than the B12. The ACC will continue to make more money than the B12.

What are the relative numbers? I thought they were both roughly the same somewhere around $44 million per school.

 

[JMick]

Connecticut senators and Big East nostalgia fans may have also played a role

And they wouldn't have had a chance to chime in if it wasn't leaked

 

[Eavesdrop]

Conference championship viewers:

Big 12: Arizona St. vs. Iowa St. 6.9 million

ACC: SMU vs Clemson. 5.98 million

The only game competing directly with the Big 12 Championship was the MAC Championship Game.

Meanwhile, the ACC title game shared the same time slot as the Big Ten Championship Game, featuring Penn State vs. Oregon.

 

[CTBballfan243]

I can't believe some big mouth moron leaking to Zanetto is what ultimately killed our athletic department.

We’re not dead yet!!!!