Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[shizzle787]

I think you will get unequal revenue sharing over time and streaming will make it easier to happen. Let's say the Big Ten Network ultimately goes direct to consumer. You can have your fans subscribe to the BTN and register as a fan of your school and schools will be paid based on their subscriber numbers. For other games on networks, you can compensate schools by viewers. Plus, you can compensate schools by performance such as NCAA basketball credits or CFP money. I think they will keep the Rutgers of the world around, pay them less, and they can absorb the game losses.

People keep saying this but it won't happen. Look at European soccer (the closest thing globally to college sports from a fanbase and structure perspective). The English Premier League is one of the most lucrative leagues in the world yet the top club only makes a little more than the last place club on a sliding scale. It is part equal revenue sharing and part merit-based. In Spain, the clubs a few years ago decided to bundle their TV rights together as opposed to selling them individually and everyone got a massive payday at the time.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Not sure where the Rutgers fetish is coming from, but at least they made it to the adult table.

Oregon State and Washington State thought they were at the adult table. How did that work out for them?

 

[Dizzy21]

Kliavkoff is not wrong or right yet. Washington and Oregon, and UCLA and USC for that matter, made a short term decision based on a trying to cash in on a cable business model that is rapidly dying. They will make a few more bucks in the short term, but there is no telling how this ends up.

The schools that may have signed their own death warrant are schools like Michigan State, Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Indiana and Purdue. The Big 10 is not going to need all these schools if it becomes one of a P2. There is no way Rutgers survives that consolidation.

60% of the BIG10 games are going to be streaming next year, including some exclusively so, on a service that has a lot more subscribers than Apple. Every CBS game will also air on Paramount+ and every NBC game on Peacock, plus 9 exclusive games on Peacock. The deal capitalizes on the current big cable money, while also heavily moving into the streaming space simultaneously. Seems like great short term and long term thinking went into that.

 

[John]

Oregon State and Washington State thought they were at the adult table. How did that work out for them?

So better to not even try then, very defeatist of you.

 

[Kolumbo]

Iowa was shut out 35-0 by Tennessee, worst shut-out rout in Citrus Bowl history, and Iowa isn't even one of the dead weight programs in that conference.

 

[UConnJim]

People keep saying this but it won't happen. Look at European soccer (the closest thing globally to college sports from a fanbase and structure perspective). The English Premier League is one of the most lucrative leagues in the world yet the top club only makes a little more than the last place club on a sliding scale. It is part equal revenue sharing and part merit-based. In Spain, the clubs a few years ago decided to bundle their TV rights together as opposed to selling them individually and everyone got a massive payday at the time.

Look at the newspaper business. I have a friend who works in the business and when the newspaper became available on-line, they could measure how many people were reading each article and the newspaper's management had the ability to improve pay for the writers that were being read and reduce pay or positions for the writers who weren't being read. They didn't do that. Slowly but surely, the good writers in areas in which readers were interested started moving on and the writers that weren't being read clinged to their jobs as they had no alternative. Down the road, schools like Ohio State are going to say, we're bringing 1.5 million subscribers to the BTN at $10/month and Northwestern is only bringing in 50k subscribers, but our total media payment from all media partners is $100 million per year the same as Northwestern, so we want more. The whole media world is about clicks and views so I don't see why college football media compensation doesn't go the same way. And, I think this would be a very good thing for UConn athletics!

 

[AllHusky]

Recapping, it sounds as though the Boneyard has a faction that sees evolution of the current model to a "Premier League of College Football". Some sort of Meritocracy would ensue. Measurables would start with W's and L's and include eyeballs, clicks, subscriptions, any metric conducive to quantitative evaluation. The Premier League might have a revolving door at the bottom, with teams moving in and out from Premier to subPremier(??) based on those metrics, for an undetermined stay both in or out.

Interesting, makes sense, but the Boston Colleges of the world would fight tooth and nail. UconnJim's statement that this would be very good for UConn is right on. However, it will take years of pumping money into FB chasing the hope that this model does in fact evolve, giving us a chance to play our way into the Premier League.

 

[AllHusky]

Some data to chew on (assuming his #’s are accurate - not my math):

Measurables that help determine who moves in and out of the "Premier League" should it come to be?

 

[Husky92]

Some data to chew on (assuming his #’s are accurate - not my math):

Link deleted?

 

[huskymedic]

Link deleted?

 

[Rufus]

Measurables that help determine who moves in and out of the "Premier League" should it come to be?

UConn - $37 million

P5 teams making less:
Rutgers - $36 million
UCF - $31 million
Oregon State - $30 million
Washington State - $29 million
Houston - $20 million


Kind of surprising that UConn only makes $1 million more than Rutgers! After Rutgers, UConn is only ahead of new P5 teams UCF and Houston, as well as on the way out P5 teams Oregon State and Washington State.

 

[Rufus]

So the new "PAC-12" Super Conference would look like this, based on who can generate the most revenue without media contracts:

1. UConn - $37 million
2. UNLV - $33 million
3. Oregon State - $30 million
4. Washington State - $29 million
5. San Diego State - $29 million
6. Colorado State - $26 million
7. Boise State - $25 million
8. Fresno State - $23 million
9. Wyoming - $23 million
10. Memphis - $23 million
11. East Carolina - $21 million
12. Old Dominion - $21 million
13. New Mexico - $20 million
14. USF - $19 million
15. Nevada - $18 million
16. Wichita State - $17 million (no football)
17. Appalachia State - $16 million
18. Florida Atlantic - $15 million
19. Georgia State - $15 million
20. Arkansas State - $15 million

If you split this into 2 divisions to limit travel:

East -
UConn
Memphis
East Carolina
Old Dominion
USF
Wichita State (no football)
Appalachia State
Florida Atlantic
Georgia State
Arkansas State

West -
UNLV
Oregon State
Washington State
San Diego State
Colorado State
Boise State
Fresno State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Nevada


**Since private schools were excluded in the numbers, this may skew the results. Not sure which private schools in the G5 make more than $15 million, the cutoff in this scenario.

 

[Rufus]

 

[How Sway?!]

It's even more impressive when you consider we don't have a P5 football schedule to pump up the ticket revenue.

 

[Chin Diesel]

It's even more impressive when you consider we don't have a P5 football schedule to pump up the ticket revenue.

No kidding. Just getting 15K more fans in the crowd for six more games is a bump of $3-$5 million.

 

[CL82]

No kidding. Just getting 15K more fans in the crowd for six more games is a bump of $3-$5 million.

A successful football team would be like having permission to print your own money just based on stadium revenue. That is part of the allure of big-time football.

 

[Kolumbo]

UConn - $37 million

P5 teams making less:
Rutgers - $36 million
UCF - $31 million
Oregon State - $30 million
Washington State - $29 million
Houston - $20 million


Kind of surprising that UConn only makes $1 million more than Rutgers! After Rutgers, UConn is only ahead of new P5 teams UCF and Houston, as well as on the way out P5 teams Oregon State and Washington State.

One key to remember though is many of those programs make as much as they do because they are in a P conference. If UConn were in the ACC all these years it probably would have been ahead of Va Tech, Ga Tech, Cal, NC State, and many privates who aren't listed. Even Pitt isn't reporting its figures for some reason.

 

[uconnyankee]

My son an I and about 10k loud UConn fans were there . A journey of 75 miles from my house .
We were sitting next to some other UConn fans who were trash talking a tad with the Sooner fans in front of us . I’m not saying they‘re fans were worried but they were annoyed they couldn’t put us away.until that 4th qtr pick . We were a pesky bunch who got 400-500 yards in total offense , Toddman rushed for 125yards . Almost all in the first 3 quarters . . Those are

UConn - $37 million

P5 teams making less:
Rutgers - $36 million
UCF - $31 million
Oregon State - $30 million
Washington State - $29 million
Houston - $20 million


Kind of surprising that UConn only makes $1 million more than Rutgers! After Rutgers, UConn is only ahead of new P5 teams UCF and Houston, as well as on the way out P5 teams Oregon State and Washington State.

Thinking same thing. Expected a better separation

 

[gioff2323]

UConn - $37 million

P5 teams making less:
Rutgers - $36 million
UCF - $31 million
Oregon State - $30 million
Washington State - $29 million
Houston - $20 million


Kind of surprising that UConn only makes $1 million more than Rutgers! After Rutgers, UConn is only ahead of new P5 teams UCF and Houston, as well as on the way out P5 teams Oregon State and Washington State.

It’s only surprising if you do not believe fb drives the bus.

 

[UConnJim]

Thinking same thing. Expected a better separation

Look at Rutgers home football schedule in 2022:

Wagner
Indiana
Nebraska
Indiana
Michigan
Penn St.

Don't you think UConn would sell out season tickets if that was the home schedule? And, don't you think there would be strong demand for tickets from many of those visiting schools?

I'm surprised that Rutgers doesn't blow away UConn's revenues given they play a Big 10 schedule in all sports.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Look at Rutgers home football schedule in 2022:

Wagner
Indiana
Nebraska
Indiana
Michigan
Penn St.

Don't you think UConn would sell out season tickets if that was the home schedule? And, don't you think there would be strong demand for tickets from many of those visiting schools?

I'm surprised that Rutgers doesn't blow away UConn's revenues given they play a Big 10 schedule in all sports.

They play Indiana twice? Both times at Rutgers?

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

It's even more impressive when you consider we don't have a P5 football schedule to pump up the ticket revenue.

Even more impressive considering this was 2022, which was improved in 2023 with bb natty revenues and improved fb attendance, etc year over year.

 

[KryHavok]

So the new "PAC-12" Super Conference would look like this, based on who can generate the most revenue without media contracts:

1. UConn - $37 million
...

I thought this was one of @shizzle787's CR schemes upon first glance. It's not terrible, but there are a few teams that shouldn't be the list.

 

[UConnJim]

They play Indiana twice? Both times at Rutgers?

Sorry, they played Iowa and Indiana.

 

[Fishy]

I disagree re this part. If the P2 consolidate, it won't be by kicking out the lesser teams. I don't even know if their contracts/bylaws allow for kicking a school out. Temple was an odd situation. More likely, the top of the Big10 and SEC would break away and create their own super conference(s). So, the schools you are referencing are in no worse of a position than they were before. In a perfect world, they are the Kansas City Royals, feeding from the smaller trough of general profits while providing wins for the top teams that rake in additional revenue. I'd rather be the Royals than an independent minor league team. Worst case scenario, the top of the Big10 leaves and those teams are still in a strong non-P2 (P1?) conference that can poach others.

I do think that the ACC showed weakness by taking Stanford and Cal and certainly SMU. That looks like a money grab by a group that knows it's dead soon so it may as well grab as much cash is it can.

Power conferences kicking members out is the fever dream of fans of the schools left out.

In their scenarios, just enough teams get kicked out for us to reform something like the old Big East.

It’s not happening.