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LoyalFanCT said:
What you are forgetting is that the GOR is part of a contract. Good lawyers can break apart a contract if one side does not fulfill its part of the bargain. Has the ACC delivered an acceptable payment to each league member when compared to peers in other conferences? I say that is questionable.
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Not forgetting at all...

Unless there was a performance clause in the GOR tieing continued binding of the agreemment to maintaining parity with the B1G and SEC (there is not), it is a moot point.
 
billybud said:
A lot of interwebz fluffing...but nobody has read the Notre Dame contract. And you can't just buy out a GOR. The conference just owns the rights that you have signed over....

There is a reason that nobody...nobody...has breached a GOR...
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I know why nobody has breached a GOR and if you read through a handful of threads you will find me arguing with posters who claim it can easily be dissolved.

It wasn't some fluffier throwing out ideas, it was one of the few legitimate journalists remaining. When I get home tonight I will look for the article and link it.

The point is, if ND leaves for the Big 10 they will owe the ACC a departure fee (I have seen claims that it is more than $50 million) and they will need to buy their way out of the GOR (likely two and a half to three times the departure fee). They wont need to additionally honor the commitments (no other conference,five ACC games) that are tied to their membership in the ACC.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
What you are forgetting is that the GOR is part of a contract. Good lawyers can break apart a contract if one side does not fulfill its part of the bargain. Has the ACC delivered an acceptable payment to each league member when compared to peers in other conferences? I say that is questionable.
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The lesson is that good lawyers can break a GOR written by bad lawyers if one of the parties is negligent.
 
I'm not a lawyer, so I am not an expert on GORs. I have been an investment analyst in which contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars were involved. In general, most contracts have lots of language that could be legal outs if the contract is disputed. For example, a company explained to me that not painting the yellow safety lines on time (as defined by the contract) could be a breach of contract.

I haven't read the ACC GORs contract in years, but my understanding of broad GORs is that you very rarely win if you take the contract to court if they are broad GORs. Media contracts in recent years have a lot more language in them because people didn't anticipate new ways to share content like streaming 15 years ago. Unless there are specific things that can be challenged in the contract, and the ACC GORs contract that has floated around is very short so I think it would be tough to find outs in the contract. As for the Pac 12 and Big 12 GORs, because they were almost up, I don't think any of the schools that are leaving wanted to exit early and pay a large dollar penalty and they didn't think it was worth challenging the GORs.

That said, there are potential other outs of contracts that some schools may try. For example, I would assume any school would want to sue in their home state and there could be state laws concerning contracts that could be in favor of the school. And, some schools could try to argue that the University President did not have the legal authority to sign such a large contract,... I'm not saying they would win, but I'm sure they will have top legal advisors to figure it out. And, I wouldn't think North Carolina politicians would look to help UNC break the GORs while leaving behind NC St., Duke, and Wake Forest.

Finally, I don't think anyone has seen Notre Dame's contract with the ACC outside of the GORs for their non-football sports so we don't really know if Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC if they join a conference for football.
 
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jostar1 said:
That's why it's called:

Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell. ;)​

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If Flugs is considered key, than we are truly screwed. We are just 1 step away from having the WVU twitterati as our college sports overlords.

All hail President DudeofWV!!

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dayooper said:
If Flugs is considered key, than we are truly screwed. We are just 1 step away from having the WVU twitterati as our college sports overlords.

All hail President DudeofWV!!

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The non-key tweet thread was made specifically for him and the dude of WV.
 
The ACC and SEC are essentially ESPN properties.

The B1G is essentially a FOX property.

The B1G may want to add UNC and UVA at some point in the future. If ESPN would like to keep UNC and UVA away from FOX forever and always, ESPN can effectively allow UNC and UVA to buy their way out of the ACC GOR and into the SEC at a negotiated number everyone feels good about.

ESPN can then backfill the ACC with UConn and WVU, and pay the teams the same TV contract minus a % to UConn and WVU. Everyone else in the ACC can kick rocks because they really aren't valuable enough for ESPN to need to protect them from the B1G/FOX.

Conference hierarchy will be:
B1G/SEC
ACC
Big 12/PAC combo maybe with a side of SDSU and Boise

Two to four of ND, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington go to B1G. Those that don't go to the combo platter conference.

The end.
 
dayooper said:
If Flugs is considered key, than we are truly screwed. We are just 1 step away from having the WVU twitterati as our college sports overlords.

All hail President DudeofWV!!

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He pretty much called the last defections a couple weeks early I think. Beat out a ton of so called beat guys who got caught flat footed.
 
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DGB said:
The ACC and SEC are essentially ESPN properties.

The B1G is essentially a FOX property.

The B1G may want to add UNC and UVA at some point in the future. If ESPN would like to keep UNC and UVA away from FOX forever and always, ESPN can effectively allow UNC and UVA to buy their way out of the ACC GOR and into the SEC at a negotiated number everyone feels good about.

ESPN can then backfill the ACC with UConn and WVU, and pay the teams the same TV contract minus a % to UConn and WVU. Everyone else in the ACC can kick rocks because they really aren't valuable enough for ESPN to need to protect them from the B1G/FOX.

Conference hierarchy will be:
B1G/SEC
ACC
Big 12/PAC combo maybe with a side of SDSU and Boise

Two to four of ND, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington go to B1G. Those that don't go to the combo platter conference.

The end.
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Sounds reasonable and possible- except I just don’t know if Clemson/FSU/Miami will let ESPN slide out Virginia and UNC without getting their own deal to exit too.
 

Not a tweet, but interesting tidbit in this article:

247Sports’ Josh Pate reported on a Monday podcast that “there are conversations happening with folks at Clemson and folks in the Big Ten.”

“Everything that seemed impossible just a few years ago is now a possibility,” an industry source told McMurphy.

Clemson will not comment on the realignment reports, an athletics department spokesman told The State on Wednesday.
 
Exit 4 said:
Sounds reasonable and possible- except I just don’t know if Clemson/FSU/Miami will let ESPN slide out Virginia and UNC without getting their own deal to exit too.
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Clemson, FSU, and Miami are interesting, but they are the second team in SC and the second and third teams in Florida respectively.

Would FOX/B1G be interested in the market share these schools bring, knowing the bigger piece of the pie in those states is controlled by ESPN/SEC via UF and USCe? Would FOX/B1G really throw the hundreds of millions we are talking about at secondary market share adds?

If not, those schools have no leverage and should be happy to be in a well-paid ACC. If FOX/BIG would do this, then all of Va Tech, Duke, NC St, and G-tech are also on the table. I lean towards the former.
 
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DGB said:
Clemson, FSU, and Miami are interesting, but they are the second team in SC and the second and third teams in Florida respectively.

Would FOX/B1G be interested in the market share these schools bring, knowing the bigger piece of the pie in those states is controlled by ESPN/SEC via UF and USCe? Would FOX/B1G really throw the hundreds of millions we are talking about at secondary market share adds?

If not, those schools have no leverage and should be happy to be in a well-paid ACC. If FOX/BIG would do this, then all of Va Tech, Duke, NC St, and G-tech are also on the table. I lean towards the former.
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Market share doesn't matter anymore. People will watch Clemson outside of small SC market. More than who is watch SC.
 
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uchusky32 said:
Market share doesn't matter anymore. People will watch Clemson outside of small SC market. More than who is watch SC.
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LOL. Remember when Rutgers got in and all anyone everywhere touted was cable box size? Same with Syracuse and Boston College.

How quickly that fell on its face. ESPN, nor other rights holders, saw streaming coming (how they missed that disruption is fascinating and why I am not a sportswriter anymore).

Now, it isn't about size of potential fan base, it is about intensity of fan support mixed with size. You need a big fanbase and brand while also having rabid intensity.

If football gets off the mat again, UConn could have something because the men, when good, have an excellent fanbase and the women's program is a national crown jewel (Paige Bueckers is probably most known women's NCAA athlete currently in school).

It doesn't overcome the football problem, but those are attractive ancillary pieces. UConn has everything you would want except a functioning football program. Mora's got a big job. Program overachieved first 10 years. Have underachieved last 10.
 
noeynox said:
All we need now are obligatory statements "we are proud and committed members of the ACC", and we will know this is real.
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UConn issued the following statement about reports regarding a move [to the Big East]:

"It is our responsibility to always be mindful of what is in the best interest of our student athletes, our fans and our future. With that being said, we have been and remain proud members of the American Athletic Conference."
 
UConn Dan said:
Is this Key?


"(Mora) has a goal of joining the ACC in a few years. "
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What I find interesting about this is the money thats involved.

The money doesn't matter if you join the B1G or SEC. But if we end up joining the ACC, I have to imagine it's a relatively strong ACC that still gets a decent payout. Because if it's a walking corpse and we have to pay tens of millions of dollars to get out of the Big East, I'm not sure how much financial sense it makes. I guess that's a good thing. Maybe the ACC plans to go to 18 or something preemptively before 2036 and we get in that way instead of through defections.
 
JohnFSilver said:
LOL. Remember when Rutgers got in and all anyone everywhere touted was cable box size? Same with Syracuse and Boston College.

How quickly that fell on its face. ESPN, nor other rights holders, saw streaming coming (how they missed that disruption is fascinating and why I am not a sportswriter anymore).

Now, it isn't about size of potential fan base, it is about intensity of fan support mixed with size. You need a big fanbase and brand while also having rabid intensity.

If football gets off the mat again, UConn could have something because the men, when good, have an excellent fanbase and the women's program is a national crown jewel (Paige Bueckers is probably most known women's NCAA athlete currently in school).

It doesn't overcome the football problem, but those are attractive ancillary pieces. UConn has everything you would want except a functioning football program. Mora's got a big job. Program overachieved first 10 years. Have underachieved last 10.
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Yeah it's not about casual fans. It's about fans who will buy streaming packages to watch college football
 
uchusky32 said:
Market share doesn't matter anymore. People will watch Clemson outside of small SC market. More than who is watch SC.
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Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.
 
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