Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[MattMang23]

If we could pitch to UC a move where we both bring BB and Olympic sports to the Big East and move football to somewhere like the Mountain West, that could prove to be a moderately doable temporary home for our programs until another door opens down the road. It would certainly bolster Big East basketball, and we'd make two solid additions to another football conference, and we'd get out of the dumpster fire AAC.

Just wondering why people think the Mountain West is such a better place? Almost every one of their schools applied to be on The List for the Big XII, too. No one wants to be in that league either. Both the AAC and the Mountain West are the Lands of Misfit Toys. It's P5 or bust for every school. Moving to the Mountain West solves nothing.

 

[upstater]

Had the power. Going forward, OU has a voice in this as well. The LHN has alienated Texas and has really put them in no man's land regionally and nationally.

Texas has no fear in any of this. They will be in a more powerful conference. But--if Texas leaves the B12, OU leaves too and it all unravels. This is a position of power. Schools like Kansas or Oklahoma State still believe that it is possible to find a solution that keeps Texas in the B12, and therefore the B12 viable. This is what gives Texas all the power.

 

[djct1999]

Texas has no fear in any of this. They will be in a more powerful conference. But--if Texas leaves the B12, OU leaves too and it all unravels. This is a position of power. Schools like Kansas or Oklahoma State still believe that it is possible to find a solution that keeps Texas in the B12, and therefore the B12 viable. This is what gives Texas all the power.

Of course, Texas has power. It has the Power of Veto. I don't think it has the same power to force more Texas schools down the Big12's throat. No school outside the state will ally with Texas. So, yeah, Texas has power. But not the same power it once had.

 

[upstater]

Of course, Texas has power. It has the Power of Veto. I don't think it has the same power to force more Texas schools down the Big12's throat. No school outside the state will ally with Texas. So, yeah, Texas has power. But not the same power it once had.

What can they do?

 

[huskymedic]

C. Austin Cox ‏@C_Austin_Cox 2h2 hours ago
Think I'll spend my Labor Day looking for one single "source" - not traced back to ESPN - that says #Memphis is out of #Big12Expansion.

Someone needs to share the Ralph Russo AP Article w/ him... AP Source: Memphis, Temple cut from Big 12 expansion field

He'll probably just say Russo talked to McMurphy

 

[TRest]

C. Austin Cox ‏@C_Austin_Cox 2h2 hours ago
Think I'll spend my Labor Day looking for one single "source" - not traced back to ESPN - that says #Memphis is out of #Big12Expansion.

Someone needs to share the Ralph Russo AP Article w/ him... AP Source: Memphis, Temple cut from Big 12 expansion field

He'll probably just say Russo talked to McMurphy

What a stupid thing to insist being correct on. Memphis is never making the B12, it doesn't matter when it's eliminated.

 

[Husky92]

What a stupid thing to insist being correct on. Memphis is never making the B12, it doesn't matter when it's eliminated.

I just wish, for his sake, that he had something better to do on his Memorial Day!!

 

[Waquoit]

UH as one of two adds in a 12 team league is no more likely today than it was a month ago.

This statement is only accurate if UH was a lock a month ago.

 

[junglehusky]

Not much here. Good job, good footbaw, but I'm just the footbaw coach.

TCU coach Gary Patterson has been on both sides of the expansion game and said he has no opinion, other than “I was very impressed by the game they played. But outside of that, it’s above my paygrade to decide. If we do expand, it’ll be because of financial reasons. Those people have their agendas on why they do things. Every conference I’ve been in, they’ve never asked my opinion about it. They’re probably not going to ask my opinion about it either.”

 

[Redding Husky]

Bingo, and if Texas really wants to hook everyone in, they offer to extend the GOR for a little bit, but leave themselves a legal backdoor in 2025. UH/BYU is a very, very, very real possibility.

Which wouldn't be a completely disastrous result for us. If we could pitch to UC a move where we both bring BB and Olympic sports to the Big East and move football to somewhere like the Mountain West, that could prove to be a moderately doable temporary home for our programs until another door opens down the road. It would certainly bolster Big East basketball, and we'd make two solid additions to another football conference, and we'd get out of the dumpster fire AAC.

Switching FB to the MWC would be a huge downgrade. That's no way to impress P5 conferences. And the Big East is vastly overrated in BB.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Switching FB to the MWC would be a huge downgrade. That's no way to impress P5 conferences. And the Big East is vastly overrated in BB.

Perhaps that's the case with the MWC, but the AAC is no better. Big East bb is not overrated - they have the defending champs, a good GTown program, a very solid Xavier, and a consistent Butler program. In the scenario I posed where UC and UConn both go to the Big East that gives the conference 5-6 bids each year without a sweat and at least two national title contenders. That is miles ahead of the AAC. Not to mention the boost to BB ticket sales to be playing old local rivals again instead of Tulane, ECU, Tulsa, and UCF.

 

[MountainMan]

Just wondering why people think the Mountain West is such a better place? Almost every one of their schools applied to be on The List for the Big XII, too. No one wants to be in that league either. Both the AAC and the Mountain West are the Lands of Misfit Toys. It's P5 or bust for every school. Moving to the Mountain West solves nothing.

The Mountain West has put several teams in the p-5. I'm not sure the AAC can say that, yet.

I also think the lack of competition and higher amount of public flagship schools as opposed to private and commuter schools may have something to do with it being perceived as more stable.

That being said when the AAC add schools this round of realignment I fully expect the AAC to reload with a block of Western schools to form a true nationwide conference. At that point it will be really interesting to see what happens to the MW. Might see some schools like Wyoming move to the Big Sky.

 

[Ldandy]

The Mountain West has put several teams in the p-5. I'm not sure the AAC can say that, yet.

I also think the lack of competition and higher amount of public flagship schools as opposed to private and commuter schools may have something to do with it being perceived as more stable.

That being said when the AAC add schools this round of realignment I fully expect the AAC to reload with a block of Western schools to form a true nationwide conference. At that point it will be really interesting to see what happens to the MW. Might see some schools like Wyoming move to the Big Sky.

Everybody welcome Okie back to the board.

 

[MountainMan]

Everybody welcome Okie back to the board.

I'm on my best behavior. If you question my motives check my posts on LT's.

 

[CallMeBruce]

The Mountain West has put several teams in the p-5. I'm not sure the AAC can say that, yet.

Of course it can. The AAC is the Big East, which sent 8 schools to the P5. That doesn't matter, obviously, since it doesn't tell us anything about the current strength of the league. Other than Utah, who has the MWC sent to a P5 conference?

 

[noeynox]

Of course it can. The AAC is the Big East, which sent 8 schools to the P5. That doesn't matter, obviously, since it doesn't tell us anything about the current strength of the league. Other than Utah, who has the MWC sent to a P5 conference?

TCU. But your point about the big east being the AAC is a good one.

 

[CallMeBruce]

TCU. But your point about the big east being the AAC is a good one.

Funny part is I almost gave TCU to the Big East. But again, that has nothing to do with the current strength of the league, so it's a pretty silly conversation.

 

[MountainMan]

Of course it can. The AAC is the Big East, which sent 8 schools to the P5. That doesn't matter, obviously, since it doesn't tell us anything about the current strength of the league. Other than Utah, who has the MWC sent to a P5 conference?

Not really. The Big East still exists and the AAC has only been around a few years. The AAC has not put any schools in the p-5, yet. Only a few of the current AAC members were ever in the Big East as well so for the most part its' a new conference.

TCU never played a game in the Big East, not sure how you could count them.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Not really. The Big East still exists and the AAC has only been around a few years. The AAC has not put any schools in the p-5, yet. Only a few of the current AAC members were ever in the Big East as well so for the most part its' a new conference.

TCU never played a game in the Big East, not sure how you could count them.

It's been explained a million times on here, but no. The AAC is the Big East. They sold the name to the new Big East, which just started a few years ago. And in either case, you're trying to compare currently league quality by using teams that aren't in the league anymore. Do you seriously not understand why that's stupid?

 

[Adios]

Not really. The Big East still exists and the AAC has only been around a few years. The AAC has not put any schools in the p-5, yet. Only a few of the current AAC members were ever in the Big East as well so for the most part its' a new conference.

TCU never played a game in the Big East, not sure how you could count them.

The AAC legally carries on the history of the Big East before the split...

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Louisville and Rutgers both played as members of the AAC for a season before leaving.

So if you want to get technical, there you have it.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Funny part is I almost gave TCU to the Big East. But again, that has nothing to do with the current strength of the league, so it's a pretty silly conversation.

At the very least, TCU was more than happy to leave the MWC for the Big East.

All the speculation is pointless because we don't know what the AAC will look like after the B12 expands. At present, it is much, much stronger than the MWC in football. Tulsa just crushed San Jose St. 45-10. Tulsa isn't expected to be one of the AAC's stronger teams.

 

[kingdobbs]

The crazy part about the whole FCS to FBS is the schools who have the support and should move up don't want to. Montana, NDSU, etc... Montana has every reason to move up with Boise, Wyoming, CSU, Air Force, etc.. They average over 25k for games in the FCS yet Estern Michigan has games with less than 3k people and they play FBS. Makes no sense.

I think they like the idea of being able to play for a championship knowing that in the FBS they are playing for a conference and possibly bowl win but no real championship.

The fact that there is a requirement that you already have an invitation to a FBS league, or be part of a league that, as a whole, reclassified*, is a much more significant impediment than most people realize. And from the EMU side of things, inertia is a powerful thing. For them (for example) to join FCS, they would become the only FCS in the state, and join a conference with few teams they have ever played (since they would speculatively not be allowed to retain MAC membership), when staying FBS in the MAC gives them more teams that are closer they have played for longer.

Also, this is something that was said about Idaho a number of years back. They were an FCS powerhouse, moved up to FBS, and struggled for many years to find success and have now reclassified and rejoined the Big Sky.

*As I understand it. The "must have an invitation to join a conference" is a rule, but it's somewhat unknown whether you can get around it in this fashion except as a thought exercise.

 

[MountainMan]

The AAC legally carries on the history of the Big East before the split...

That's hilarious. One would think that the Big East would keep it's history as opposed to giving it to Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane and the AAC.

 

[CTMike]

That's hilarious. One would think that the Big East would keep it's history as opposed to giving it to Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane and the AAC.

It was more about who keeps any conference money (buyouts and tournament shares) than the history.

 

[MountainMan]

It's been explained a million times on here, but no. The AAC is the Big East. They sold the name to the new Big East, which just started a few years ago. And in either case, you're trying to compare currently league quality by using teams that aren't in the league anymore. Do you seriously not understand why that's stupid?

What's stupid is having Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, ECU, etc.. carry on Big East records when actual members of the original Big East still play together in a conference called the Big East. But that is realignment for ya.

 

[MountainMan]

It was more about who keeps any conference money (buyouts and tournament shares) than the history.

Gotcha. Learn something everyday with realignment it seems.

 

[jho]

That's hilarious. One would think that the Big East would keep it's history as opposed to giving it to Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane and the AAC.

More importantly, the AAC got to keep the most of the accumulated NCAA Tournament "units" from the old Big East. Check out this article which explains how the AAC still generates more in tournament payouts than any other conference although, admittedly, the gravy train is slowing down.
Big East basketball not among the top money-makers

 

[CL82]

That's hilarious. One would think that the Big East would keep it's history as opposed to giving it to Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane and the AAC.

Hmmn stupid or trolling? I'll go with trolling but let's test that.

As has been said previously, the American is the league that UConn has been in since 1979. When the Catholic 7 left the conference sold it's name to them. Connecticut and Cinci got the lion's share of those fees. The American continued to collect all NCAA credits earned under the name the Big East. It continues to have it's offices in the same building in Providence.

Here's a link to the announcement of the name change on the old Big East website. LINKY

So we'll see from your next post if you were stupid (ill informed) or trolling.

 

[Husky92]

Hmmn stupid or trolling? I'll go with trolling but let's test that.

As has been said previously, the American is the league that UConn has been in since 1979. When the Catholic 7 left the conference sold it's name to them. Connecticut and Cinci got the lion's share of those fees. The American continued to collect all NCAA credits earned under the name the Big East. It continues to have it's offices in the same building in Providence.

Here's a link to the announcement of the name change on the old Big East website. LINKY

So we'll see from your next post if you were stupid (ill informed) or trolling.

You handled that far better than I have been this morning. Well done.