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kingdobbs said:
There are no meaningful Olympic travel concerns.

Most teams will travel out of region once. Several Olympic sports teams will not need to travel out of region, because they won't be joining the Big XII. The remainder ALREADY travel regularly out of region due to current affiliation or seasonal weather concerns.
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I mean look, I understand it's a bit overblown by the media, but at the same time take off the Husky colored lenses for a second.

Houston Texas or Storrs CT. It's not rocket science that from simply a travel prespective it's not crazy for a league with already 4 teams in TX to prefer another as opposed to one in New England.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
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I mean look, I understand it's a bit overblown by the media, but at the same time take off the Husky colored lenses for a second.

Houston Texas or Storrs CT. It's not rocket science that from simply a travel prespective it's not crazy for a league with already 4 teams in TX to prefer another as opposed to one in New England.
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I think we all understand basic geography but why isn't BYU questioned about geography? Same with the FL schools really. As mentioned many a time, we have airplanes now. Just leave campus an hour or two earlier :0
 
ConnHuskBask said:
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I mean look, I understand it's a bit overblown by the media, but at the same time take off the Husky colored lenses for a second.

Houston Texas or Storrs CT. It's not rocket science that from simply a travel prespective it's not crazy for a league with already 4 teams in TX to prefer another as opposed to one in New England.
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The problem with the conference is exactly that. They need to travel in our direction to get viewers in larger numbers. More of the same is more of the same problem.
 
@kingdobbs @UConnTrumbull @Hoophound

Just to clarify, I don't disagree with you guys at all about a) travel being overblown b) that UConn is somehow so much more on an island than BYU or the Florida schools.

I'm just being realistic in the sense it's our biggest knock and that it could be a reason they would elect to go football only (something I'm not even sure is realistic to begin with).

From a literal travel stand point it's not anti UConn to acknowledge Houston and Cincinnati are easier trips.
 
First off, there is no way the Big12 is expanding by 2 with Cincy and UH. UH is a pawn in all of this. They are simply being thrown out there as a threat any time Texas doesn't get what it wants.
 
djct1999 said:
First off, there is no way the Big12 is expanding by 2 with Cincy and UH. UH is a pawn in all of this. They are simply being thrown out there as a threat any time Texas doesn't get what it wants.
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That depends on the non-Texas schools and how hard they dig in their heels on UH. If UT figures out some kind of deal to appease those schools (renegotiated deal with TV partners who would fork over some cash to stay at 2 vs. 4), UC/UH will be very much on the table. If what flugar says about Fox wanting eastern content is a legit factor, and someone in the Big12 (maybe OU+ISU?) is willing to go to bat, then expansion by 4 might be alive.

The idea that B12 coaches wouldn't want Houston because they don't want to compete against UH's recruiting is not going to be a factor. (except in the media). UH being another Texas based school when it comes to voting among the presidents could be a factor, though.
 
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junglehusky said:
That depends on the non-Texas schools and how hard they dig in their heels on UH. If UT figures out some kind of deal to appease those schools (renegotiated deal with TV partners who would fork over some cash to stay at 2 vs. 4), UC/UH will be very much on the table. If what flugar says about Fox wanting eastern content is a legit factor, and someone in the Big12 (maybe OU+ISU?) is willing to go to bat, then expansion by 4 might be alive.

The idea that B12 coaches wouldn't want Houston because they don't want to compete against UH's recruiting is not going to be a factor. (except in the media). UH being another Texas based school when it comes to voting among the presidents could be a factor, though.
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Texas has two goals. Get paid out in full for LHN and get the best sweat heart deal ever going forward. Anytime the discussion waivers away from Texas getting a better payout than everyone else, they bring up UH. Trust me, they don't want UH either but UH is a large enough threat that will make other schools and both networks meet UT's demands. Its negotiating 101. If Texas really wanted UH or if UH was a real option, they woudln't have been made so public on Day 1.
 
junglehusky said:
That depends on the non-Texas schools and how hard they dig in their heels on UH. If UT figures out some kind of deal to appease those schools (renegotiated deal with TV partners who would fork over some cash to stay at 2 vs. 4), UC/UH will be very much on the table. If what flugar says about Fox wanting eastern content is a legit factor, and someone in the Big12 (maybe OU+ISU?) is willing to go to bat, then expansion by 4 might be alive.

The idea that B12 coaches wouldn't want Houston because they don't want to compete against UH's recruiting is not going to be a factor. (except in the media). UH being another Texas based school when it comes to voting among the presidents could be a factor, though.
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It is interesting that it's ESPN doing most of the vocalizing.
 
Does Texas really "want" UH? Maybe not in the football coaches offices. Maybe the theory that UH is UT's poison pill to kill the whole expansion will turn out to be right. If not, I'm guessing the president and BOT actually do want UH because they know they'll be able to lean on UH alums in the state house, plus the UT Houston medical campus. And that could continue to be the case 10 years down the road if UH is in the B12 and UT goes to the ACC or another conference.
 
Marty Jackson said:
It is interesting that it's ESPN doing most of the vocalizing.
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Years ago I worked with a guy named Bob Kennedy who once told me in regard to a work group complaining about our quality control review, "it's like two farmers [Fox and ESPN] driving oxen in opposite directions and then the two animals begin to fight - the farmer who hollers louder [ESPN] is the one whose oxen is being gored." For sure, ESPN will be losing "cheap properties" and Fox will be gaining them - and ESPN will have to pay half of the larger bill.
 
atom58 said:
Years ago I worked with a guy named Bob Kennedy who once told me in regard to a work group complaining about our quality control review, "it's like two farmers [Fox and ESPN] driving oxen in opposite directions and then the two animals begin to fight - the farmer who hollers louder [ESPN] is the one whose oxen is being gored." For sure, ESPN will be losing "cheap properties" and Fox will be gaining them - and ESPN will have to pay half of the larger bill.
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you should tweet that to mcmurphy. its excellent.
 
Location, location, location.

When most of us bring up the topic of location we think of distance and geography. I think a lot of BY'ers can save themselves some angst if they realize that location embodies culture, vibe and history. NYC , South Beach and Ames are all different locations, but just as important, they represent different cultures. That is what this is about. As most of us have reasoned, with today's methods of transportation and speaking in relative terms, distance is a minor issue. Location is CR nomenclature for cultural fit.
 
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atom58 said:
Years ago I worked with a guy named Bob Kennedy who once told me in regard to a work group complaining about our quality control review, "it's like two farmers [Fox and ESPN] driving oxen in opposite directions and then the two animals begin to fight - the farmer who hollers louder [ESPN] is the one whose oxen is being gored." For sure, ESPN will be losing "cheap properties" and Fox will be gaining them - and ESPN will have to pay half of the larger bill.
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And maybe that was fox's intention. Bolster a couple programs with ESPN footing half the bill. In eight years you have four 'laundered' G5 schools at the P5 level.

Anyone that's ever played RISK knows how hard it is to hold onto Asia. If ESPN thought they could buy all the FBS conferences with no competition ever, they were mistaken. Now competition and technology are knocking on the door.
 
djct1999 said:
Berry Tramel is the truth!
Tramel: Why UConn should join BYU as Big 12's best expansion candidates | NewsOK.com
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i like his position but he swings and misses on a couple points:
He goes on to suggest that changing conferences doesn't change a program. Cellar dwellers don't go on to challenge for championships, and competitive programs continue to compete. I agree with that concept, but Uconn is not Rutgers which he insinuates. In the short time Uconn made the jump how many BE championships did they win? Uconn football competes and extr fans expect to win.

The second, which anyone who reads the article will know what I'm going to say, is the Fiesta bowl comment suggesting 3,000 fans showed up. He might have said 3,000 tickets sold, but the fact is a lot more than 3,000 tickets were sold. Nails on a chalkboard...
 
Marty Jackson said:
i like his position but he swings and misses on a couple points:
He goes on to suggest that changing conferences doesn't change a program. Cellar dwellers don't go on to challenge for championships, and competitive programs continue to compete. I agree with that concept, but Uconn is not Rutgers which he insinuates. In the short time Uconn made the jump how many BE championships did they win? Uconn football competes and extr fans expect to win.

The second, which anyone who reads the article will know what I'm going to say, is the Fiesta bowl comment suggesting 3,000 fans showed up. He might have said 3,000 tickets sold, but the fact is a lot more than 3,000 tickets were sold. Nails on a chalkboard...
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He was quickly corrected by a few of us on twitter...he hasn't responded but he definitely had to get the message.
 
That was a nice article by Tramel, but when he was on the radio with Joe D and Gresh two weeks ago, he said that UConn was not going to be invited, and neither were the Florida schools. He did say that if they expanded to 14, then UConn might be invited.
 
jostar1 said:
That was a nice article by Tramel, but when he was on the radio with Joe D and Gresh two weeks ago, he said that UConn was not going to be invited, and neither were the Florida schools. He did say that if they expanded to 14, then UConn might be invited.
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Maybe he's hearing something from OU sources that we are a favorite and he's writing up a pro-UConn article now so he will look like a genius when we are added.
 
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jostar1 said:
That was a nice article by Tramel, but when he was on the radio with Joe D and Gresh two weeks ago, he said that UConn was not going to be invited, and neither were the Florida schools. He did say that if they expanded to 14, then UConn might be invited.
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UConn Dan said:
Maybe he's hearing something from OU sources that we are a favorite and he's writing up a pro-UConn article now so he will look like a genius when we are added.
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Marty Jackson said:
i like his position but he swings and misses on a couple points:
He goes on to suggest that changing conferences doesn't change a program. Cellar dwellers don't go on to challenge for championships, and competitive programs continue to compete. I agree with that concept, but Uconn is not Rutgers which he insinuates. In the short time Uconn made the jump how many BE championships did they win? Uconn football competes and extr fans expect to win.

The second, which anyone who reads the article will know what I'm going to say, is the Fiesta bowl comment suggesting 3,000 fans showed up. He might have said 3,000 tickets sold, but the fact is a lot more than 3,000 tickets were sold. Nails on a chalkboard...
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His asinine suggestion that we drop sports negates any potential good points he might have made.
 
UConn Dan said:
Maybe he's hearing something from OU sources that we are a favorite and he's writing up a pro-UConn article now so he will look like a genius when we are added.
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We can only hope. Tramel tends to be all over the place. On the radio show, he said that UConn won't be invited because of football. In the story, he downplays football. I guess this article is more his opinion, and not what he thinks is actually going to happen.
 
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kingdobbs said:
His asinine suggestion that we drop sports negates any potential good points he might have made.
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I don't think that UConn would drop them, but it does sort of tie in with the recent talk of UConn and the Big East. Maybe some of these sports would go to the Big East.
 
kingdobbs said:
His asinine suggestion that we drop sports negates any potential good points he might have made.
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Yes, but I took that to mean some of our non-revenue sports wind up in big east like they currently do.
It makes sense. But, Not sure Uconn is going to listen to the Big 12 say 'women's field hockey and men's soccer? Yeah drop those '...
 
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djct1999 said:
Berry Tramel is the truth!
Tramel: Why UConn should join BYU as Big 12's best expansion candidates | NewsOK.com
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Oh my god, @Dooley hacked Tramel's account!

My favorite point in a article full of them:

The changing face of television means traditional network contracts will become less important and digital distributions will become more important. Cable homes won't mean as much. Homes that will purchase Big 12-specific events will mean more. UConn in the Big 12 would mean more digital sales than Houston or Memphis or Cincinnati could provide.
 
UConn Dan said:
Maybe he's hearing something from OU sources that we are a favorite and he's writing up a pro-UConn article now so he will look like a genius when we are added.
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He finally read my thread about UCONN and BYU being the only two sensible choices. My posts are also undefeated since 1983... ;)
 
DiacosArmy said:
You'd think UConn baseball would be a bonus for the Big12
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Baseball is really the only non-revenue sport that requires home and away games during the season. Soccer would if they had it but they don't. Not a selling point.

The larger issue is how this is being played out in the media and how far removed from objective fact so many long time "journalists" seem to be. The second issue is their willingness to promote a business agenda through their columns. It's transparent to the point of surrogacy. But it does highlight the fact that a lot of the players involved must think there is some advantage to be gained by shaping public opinion to match their objectives. And this dog and pony show could go on for months? They better be close to a consensus because if this isn't just posturing the longer it goes the more likely hurt feelings and big egos will derail the entire process.
 
Someone posted here why Tramel is a regular on WTIC 1080 if we are such the stinky pusses in CL.

The tide has shifted to the silence.
 
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