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upstater said:
But not every school will be able to leave so there should be a lot of incentive to get this right, especially since they are probably pissing off their TV partners with the 4 new pro-rated adds.
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True, but other than OU and UT I don't have much respect for the other schools in the Big 12 with regard to their ability to think for themselves. They're sheep.

If either OU or UT pulls for us, we're in. If they say "heyy look at Memphis with their FedEx money and 2 good football seasons", they're in.
 
Penfield said:
Ya this really just made me worry that there doesn't need to be any foresight put into this decision. Pick which ever schools are willing to take the smallest cut and disband after 8 years.
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But think about it another way. What if this temporary money grab actually enhances the conference?

What if UConn, Cincy, Houston and whomever (BYU bleh?) make the most of their Big 12 windfall?

It wouldn't take 8 national championship in three different sports. Reputations are made on less tangible things than that. Oregon's respected now and when exactly did they win their championship? Look at Texas A&M. The only thing they ever did was upset Alabama six years ago but they're still dining off of it.

If the invitees, along with some of the other Big 12 team like TCU and Oklahoma State pull some of those upsets, the entire image of the Big 12 could change.

And if the image changes and dollars follow, Texas and Oklahoma might just have no reason to leave in eight years.

Think that's impossible? Eight years ago, college football was all about Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow. Saban's Tide was without a title and lost to Utah. Didn't UConn beat Baylor?

Nobody knows what 2024 will bring but it's rather fatalist to assume it will simply be an unchanged extension of 2016.
 
PS - a quick history lesson for context and perspective:

In 1994 Texas was planning to go to the Pac-10 and A&M was planning to go to the SEC. Texas politicians got involved and forced the two schools to stay together long enough to find a landing spot for Texas Tech and Baylor. Hence, the Big 12.

Texas never wanted in. It was a compromise. A forced marriage.

For the first ten years of the Big 12's existence, rumors ran rampant that Texas (along with Colorado) would leave the Big 12 for Pac-10.

In June 2010, Texas had an opportunity to have its cake and eat it too. To go to the Pac-10 and take favored partners with it.

Since the advent of the LHN, the rumor has been that Texas is going independent.

But you know what, Texas is still here, in the Big 12, after all these years. Colorado got to go to the Pac-10 without Texas, A&M finally got to go to the SEC, Nebraska who thought they owned the Big 8 is gone, And Texas is still here.

Texas is like George Bailey always dreaming of anchor chains, plane engines and train whistles, but being stuck in Bedford Falls forever.

And you guys are worried Texas might leave.
 
Heh. Nothing to feel sorry for, Diacos. Texas is a predator. My only point is that 2024 has yet to written. By the time, the GOR ends, UConn may have surpassed OU as our most hated and worthy rival.
 
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The one thing that is for certain is the choices will likely dictate the future the conference is going. If there is not a strong presence of teams to create the "north" division, then it's a pretty clear indicator that the b12 has a short remaining useful live, ie big east 2. Loading up with teams in close proximity is not going to do anything to add to it's tv resume and print not to mention it's going to make wv's life even more miserable and remote. Long and short, they'll be looking as gor's expires.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
No school is leaving the Pac 12 for Big 12. Ever.

While Texas is on the Board for the ACC, I don't think they are the slam dunk they would have been 5 years ago.
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The question isn't whether any school will ever leave the Pac12 for the BigXII. The question is whether enough B12 schools believe a school or two might leave in 8 years. They don't have to be correct or even have common sonse for this to derail expansion from 4 back to 2. #PrayFor4
 
junglehusky said:
The question isn't whether any school will ever leave the Pac12 for the BigXII. The question is whether enough B12 schools believe a school or two might leave in 8 years. They don't have to be correct or even have common sonse for this to derail expansion from 4 back to 2. #PrayFor4
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This is 100% accurate. This is a conference who for years has failed to see the big picture and the future of college football in terms of CR.

It's not inconceivable that you have 8-9 university presidents sitting there right now saying, "Oh yeah, we could TOTALLY grab the Arizona schools in 2024."
 
Arizona and Arizona State sound insane - but Mellinger mentioned whispers and he's one of the best and most legit columnists in the country.
 
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In all seriousness, why doesn't the Big XII just go for the gusto and expand by 6 schools? Especially if they're going to just lose Texas and maybe OU? Go stright to 16 teams. You could add: BYU, Cincy, Houston, UConn, plus take like a UCF (Central FL market), and maybe Memphis (to get that FedEx $$$)... Just don't see USF, Colorado State, Bosie State, ECU, Tulane, or Navy making much sense.
 
SonsOfNutmeg said:
In all seriousness, why doesn't the Big XII just go for the gusto and expand by 6 schools? Especially if they're going to just lose Texas and maybe OU? Go stright to 16 teams. You could add: BYU, Cincy, Houston, UConn, plus take like a UCF (Central FL market), and maybe Memphis (to get that FedEx $$$)... Just don't see USF, Colorado State, Bosie State, ECU, Tulane, or Navy making much sense.
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Because their non-dilution clause only is available for teams 11-14, IIRC.
 
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CL82 said:
Because their non-dilution clause only is available for teams 11-14, IIRC.
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Just suprising that Arizona & Arizona State want to leave the PAC 12?! I mean the Big 12 isn't exactly a "stable" thing right now...
 
SonsOfNutmeg said:
Just suprising that Arizona & Arizona State want to leave the PAC 12?! I mean the Big 12 isn't exactly a "stable" thing right now...
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Nobody is leaving the Pac12 for the Big 12. The conferences pay out their members identically at this point, so it would be a wash from a purely financial perspective. However, as the only P5 conference with a presence in the Mountain and Pacific Timezones, it's in a position to increase it's value and revenue when the existing TV deal is up.

From a purely competitive perspective, the Pac 12 was one Stanford victory over Oregon away from keeping the Big 12 out of the CFP for a second year in a row. The conference top to bottom is more competitive than the Big 12.

Finally, from a pure stability standpoint, the Pac 12 is going absolutely nowhere. You cannot say that for certainty about the Big 12.
 
SonsOfNutmeg said:
Just suprising that Arizona & Arizona State want to leave the PAC 12?! I mean the Big 12 isn't exactly a "stable" thing right now...
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They're probably going to take the money from 4 teams IMO. Just can't believe Memphis is in the conversation.
 
NYUConn said:
Nobody is leaving the Pac12 for the Big 12. The conferences pay out their members identically at this point, so it would be a wash from a purely financial perspective. However, as the only P5 conference with a presence in the Mountain and Pacific Timezones, it's in a position to increase it's value and revenue when the existing TV deal is up.

From a purely competitive perspective, the Pac 12 was one Stanford victory over Oregon away from keeping the Big 12 out of the CFP for a second year in a row. The conference top to bottom is more competitive than the Big 12.

Finally, from a pure stability standpoint, the Pac 12 is going absolutely nowhere. You cannot say that for certainty about the Big 12.
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Yeah, hard to see the AZ fan bases accepting the idea that CA, UT, OR and WA will no longer be their rivals and now its OK, TX, IA, KS, WV, etc. There is no way the vast majority in those schools would accept this. And this situation is nothing like Maryland's.
 
No one out here. Is. Even having a conversation about it
If it's on the table it's really been hidden
 
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jostar1 said:
Chip Brown says it is for up to 16 teams. I believe I read that on the CSNBBS board.
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Did not know that. That's good news if true. If this is, as many believe, a straight up money grab before Texas and OU leave, I can't imagine not going for a full 16. I'm surprised that we haven't heard it discussed.
 
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I found it in this story:

“I’m hearing that if they’re going to expand, it’s most likely going to be by four rather than two,” Brown said, “because of provisions in the TV contract that call for the TV partners to pay equal share of the revenue right now for up to six schools added to the league.”

Longhorns Writer Says Texas Won't 'Stand In Way' Of Houston Joining Big 12
 
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