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UConnTrumbull said:
Ummm am I reading this right? Basically suggests the UW/Oregon and Four Corner moves were predetermined… so UConn was never a serious candidate for the Big 12 - and will continue to not be.
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I think that's a bridge too far. What it says is that the PAC 12 had a back up plan in the event it got raided.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
Maybe. Just strange to me that it PERFECTLY PREDICTED the outcome. Not one school out of place.

P.S: I was told the four corners were not a package deal, here, several times!
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It's an allegation in a complaint about the Pac 12. I think it is tough to say that provides insight into what the Big 12 was thinking at the time.

Keep in mind that big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark actually visited the campus in Storrs. Unless you think that was a "giant head fake" it seems pretty clear that he, at least, had a serious interest in Connecticut. Where our bid failed was with the big 12 presidents. Essentially their mindset was "since UConn isn't a member of a P4 conference, it doesn't deserve to be." That kind of circular reasoning is tough to overcome. Still, I think we were in, until the Pac 12 collapsed, which made other "more worthy" P4 schools available. It was very close and the school was confident that it was going to happen.

I think it will be extraordinarily difficult for us to join a P4 conference, because I think the conference expansion bubble has burst, or is close to bursting, and college athletics will go into a period of consolidation rather than expansion. Our best hope to get a P4 invitation would be for a few ACC schools to depart which would create room for us to "backfill" the conference. If that happens, though, it will be a diminished ACC since the schools that leave will be schools that are cherry picked by the Big Ten and the SEC.

For what it's worth, it is critically important, in my opinion, for us to get a P4 invitation since the gulf between the "haves" and the "have nots" grows wider every year. For example, in the ACC or the big 12 schools are entitled to a $35 million per year conference distribution plus an additional $15 million per year as part of the college football playoff. Compare that $50 million to the $5 million conference distribution that Big East schools are entitled to and you begin to see the scope of the problem.
 
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It was hardly a secret that the B1G would at some point add Washington and Oregon. Most speculation had that happening closer to 2030. Once some of the four corner schools departures appear likely, UW & OU negotiated a lower payout (50% I believe) to join the B1G early.

Colorado jumped to the B-12 well before the other three that ended up there. The B-12 was publicly offering the other three and as Kliavkoff was getting nowhere with negotiating a new media contract, the three (Utah, Arizona, Arizona St) left what they saw as a sinking ship.

From what I remember, Arizona would have greatly preferred remain the PAC if it could maintain a P level stature but that didn't appear likely the way things were shaking out.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
From what I remember, Arizona would have greatly preferred remain the PAC if it could maintain a P level stature but that didn't appear likely the way things were shaking out
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Utah was very reluctant to make the move as well.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
Ummm am I reading this right? Basically suggests the UW/Oregon and Four Corner moves were predetermined… so UConn was never a serious candidate for the Big 12 - and will continue to not be.
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This was 2 years ago. UConn was actually considered last year
 
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CL82 said:
Keep in mind that big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark actually visited the campus in Storrs. Unless you think that was a "giant head fake" it seems pretty clear that he, at least, had a serious interest in Connecticut. Where our bid failed was with the big 12 presidents. Essentially their mindset was "since UConn isn't a member of a P4 conference, it doesn't deserve to be." That kind of circular reasoning is tough to overcome. Still, I think we were in, until the Pac 12 collapsed, which made other "more worthy" P4 schools available. It was very close and the school was confident that it was going to happen.
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@CL82, I love ya mate, but I absolutely think Yormark's visit was a coverup scam. Tell me honestly, in the last 10 years did other commissioners have to visit potential members and were those visits publicized? I'm humbly asking because I'm not sure but I think the answer is no. We were used a diversion tactic by Yorkmark, and we bought the illusion as eyes were force shifted to the northeast by subterfuge allowing southwest bandits the opening to sneak in. If the Big 12 wanted us, they could've taken us ± Colorado. That they didn't and continued to dangle that carrot only to immediately take the Pac12 schools tells me we were NEVER in serious contention.
 
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KryHavok said:
I love ya mate, but I absolutely think Yormark's visit was a coverup
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
Lol! Dude, not even I believe that!
 
cellocgg said:
This was 2 years ago. UConn was actually considered last year
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I believe that Yormark wanted us. I do not believe he knew what he was doing calling a vote. These votes are nearly always unanimous yet somehow, UConn is the one to defy the odds. Something feels off. Feels like a dog and pony show and UConn was the “candidate”
 
When everything began a couple years ago I doubt that Yormark (or any then B-12 school) thought it would be possible to pull in four members of the P-12.

Colorado was kind easy as a) they were a long time B-8/B-12 member who never felt fully at home in the PAC (and were by far the furthest east member). The other three kind if fell into their lap as things transpired.
 
He ran us up the flag pole and they weren't interested. You cant blame them. UCF, Houston and Cincy haven't been great and there is a lot of instability out there that could create other opportunities. No one is leaving the B12, they are stable. We still have a shot, we just need to play good football and keep our basketball programs near the top. I really don't think we can rule ourselves out until all of the 2030 stuff happens. If we don't make it then, we will have to accept it.
 
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KryHavok said:
@CL82, I love ya mate, but I absolutely think Yormark's visit was a coverup scam. Tell me honestly, in the last 10 years did other commissioners have to visit potential members and were those visits publicized? I'm humbly asking because I'm not sure but I think the answer is no. We were used a diversion tactic by Yorkmark, and we bought the illusion as eyes were force shifted to the northeast by subterfuge allowing southwest bandits the opening to sneak in. If the Big 12 wanted us, they could've taken us ± Colorado. That they didn't and continued to dangle that carrot only to immediately take the Pac12 schools tells me we were NEVER in serious contention.
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I think they actually considered us. But our football program still smelled funny.

It’s really just that simple,

This is why schmucks like Tulane, USF and Memphis vault past us constantly.
 
ZooCougar said:
Get rid of wings, ground effects and add horsepower. Make it about mechanical grip. Boom.

DRS is bogus. It’s a band aid.
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I won't pretend to understand what will help, so any reasonable suggestion is a good one. For F1 in particular, it's infrequent to see the guy leading at turn 1 not win the race. That's a problem.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
I won't pretend to understand what will help, so any reasonable suggestion is a good one. For F1 in particular, it's infrequent to see the guy leading at turn 1 not win the race. That's a problem.
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The problem is basically F1 in a nutshell. It's always been like that.

Also the cars are so downforce dependent that when a faster car approaches a slower one, it gets into disturbed "dirty" air and the downforce decreases. The faster car loses grip and begins excessively wearing its tires down and it can't pass. Think of the trains of cars stuck behind a talentless hack like Lance Stroll.

When you introduce the Drag Reduction System (DRS) then the faster car is allowed to reduce it's drag in a straight line giving it a temporary performance advantage.

If you reduce the overall dependence on downforce then cars won't be so unstable running close to each other making overtaking more possible.
 
upstater said:
The idea here would be that ESPN cedes the Atlantic Coast for California?

When UCLA beat Penn State soundly, no one on the west coast watched, no one was in the stadium.
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They're not ceding the Atlantic coast. Once UNC and UVA join the ACC, the SEC will have teams up the Atlantic coast from Florida through Virginia. Then there are no ACC teams in DC, MD, DE, PA (minus Pitt, which is in western PA), and NJ. That means the ACC would be "ceding" only Syracuse and BC on the Atlantic coast. That's not much to give up.
 
pick6s said:
They're not ceding the Atlantic coast. Once UNC and UVA join the ACC, the SEC will have teams up the Atlantic coast from Florida through Virginia. Then there are no ACC teams in DC, MD, DE, PA (minus Pitt, which is in western PA), and NJ. That means the ACC would be "ceding" only Syracuse and BC on the Atlantic coast. That's not much to give up.
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Why would UNC and Virginia join the ACC again?
 
pick6s said:
Once UNC and UVA join the ACC, the SEC will have teams up the Atlantic coast from Florida through Virginia. Then there are no ACC teams in DC,
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Eventually, UNC and UVA may leave the ACC. Maybe to the SEC, or possibly B1G. Virginia Tech’s markedly larger alumni base than UVA’s and alumni and fans of other ACC schools ensure an ongoing ACC presence in NoVa and DC. Crazy enough, maybe a larger school than UVA may inexplicably end up in a new ACC V4.0 or whatever. /s
 
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Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Eventually, UNC and UVA may leave the ACC. Maybe to the SEC, or possibly B1G. Virginia Tech’s markedly larger alumni base than UVA’s and alumni and fans of other ACC schools ensure an ongoing ACC presence in NoVa and DC. Crazy enough, maybe a larger school than UVA may inexplicably end up in a new ACC V4.0 or whatever. /s
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If UVA and VA Tech both leave 2 of Liberty, ODU, or James Madison will take the spots
 
I think in 2023, we were never really considered. A last minute backup option.

In 2024, we were actually on the verge of joining though. Until it got leaked and the people on the fence fully backed out.
 
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