Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Patman]

I have never believed that UConn was the bait dangled to encourage the other schools to jump away. There may be some degree of truth to it but I've never seen it as a strong thing.

I've always seen it as the "awkward proviso" to stop an odd numbered configuration as well as an Eastern gambit on yormarks part

what i think is clear is that the b12 schools themselves were never really keen on the idea and may have only done so reluctantly

 

[Exit 4]

In order for it to happen for us, several things that were always going to happen needed to not happen.

Alas, it was not close. We were oceans away. Stop torturing yourself.

Plus it’s not even certain that the Big 12 members would have voted us in.

I don't understand you comment "stop torturing yourself" - why do you think I am tortured? The July 2023 B12 invite collapsed when AZ rolled in. Nothing more to it. We obviously disagree here about what went down, but I certainly don't feel tortured here. It is what it is. And yes, in retrospect, maybe Yormark always knew his efforts for UConn were just a ploy to push others. Colorado needed a willing pairing partner and we filled that rolled for a couple months until we didn't.

 

[Drew]

 

[Drew]

 

[Ha Who]

How dare you please tweets in this thread

 

[EROCK CONN]

comparing basketball to football revenues from the argument before the two-way conversation chewed through 3 pages:

The top 4 basketball earners (from that college raptor source):
Duke $47.8M
Syracuse $35.8M
North Carolina $33.2M
UConn $32.6M

Now their football revenue:
Duke $64.7M
North Carolina $55.6M
Syracuse $50.2M
UConn $18.4M

They've pretty much hit the top of the market for basketball, but even the top three basketball earners get between 60% & 67% more revenue from their football programs. The easiest way for UConn to address some of that inequity is find a path that eventually nets them more TV/conference revenue from football.

What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to give more than 30% of the NCAA tournament contract to the schools... it's an absolute killer for basketball powers. The football schools figured this out a long time ago and cut the NCAA out. The basketball schools need to do the same. The tv contract for the ncaa tournament is +/- 900 million annually. The new playoff football contract is 1.3 billion annually. The only difference is, the football schools keep pretty much all of the money where in basketball the schools only keep 30%. This is totally outrageous and absolutely kills UConn more than any other school.

 

[ScottVib]

The TV contract for the NCAA Tournament is widely regarded as a bargain... the NCAA renewed without going to market to keep the longer term guarantee. You have 67 fairly well rated content windows covered by it, including what will likely be at least 3 of the top 10 (potentially 3 of the top 5 given past history and depending on the participants in the NBA finals) rated basketball games (collegiate or pro) during the year.

That could also provide the potential impetus for the same powers soaking up all the football revenue to look to cut their own deal where they don't have to share with every other NCAA sport and member (down to D3).

 

[ZooCougar]

I don't understand you comment "stop torturing yourself" - why do you think I am tortured? The July 2023 B12 invite collapsed when AZ rolled in. Nothing more to it. We obviously disagree here about what went down, but I certainly don't feel tortured here. It is what it is. And yes, in retrospect, maybe Yormark always knew his efforts for UConn were just a ploy to push others. Colorado needed a willing pairing partner and we filled that rolled for a couple months until we didn't.

There is more to it. To get UConn in you need a Rube Goldbergesque chain of events to occur. It was never to be.

 

[Patman]

What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to give more than 30% of the NCAA tournament contract to the schools... it's an absolute killer for basketball powers. The football schools figured this out a long time ago and cut the NCAA out. The basketball schools need to do the same. The tv contract for the ncaa tournament is +/- 900 million annually. The new playoff football contract is 1.3 billion annually. The only difference is, the football schools keep pretty much all of the money where in basketball the schools only keep 30%. This is totally outrageous and absolutely kills UConn more than any other school.

What do you think the NCAA is? Why do you think you're part of the basketball powers? Have you not read this thread?

 

[BlueHen]

What do you think the NCAA is? Why do you think you're part of the basketball powers? Have you not read this thread?

I have read this thread, and I feel dumber for having done so.

 

[Forte]

Just a note - I’m pretty sure that the basketball revenue number for UConn is for both the MBB & WBB programs.

Take these numbers for football and add about 45 mil to Uconns 18 if Uconn was in a power conference from TV numbers alone. Sorry subtract 900k from cbssports from that final number...

 

[BigTenFan]

What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to give more than 30% of the NCAA tournament contract to the schools... it's an absolute killer for basketball powers. The football schools figured this out a long time ago and cut the NCAA out. The basketball schools need to do the same. The tv contract for the ncaa tournament is +/- 900 million annually. The new playoff football contract is 1.3 billion annually. The only difference is, the football schools keep pretty much all of the money where in basketball the schools only keep 30%. This is totally outrageous and absolutely kills UConn more than any other school.

Not 100 percent sure how the revenue sharing works but at least 68 teams in NCAA tournament while going forward only 24 teams in football. I am sure the conferences get a big cut

 

[EROCK CONN]

Not 100 percent sure how the revenue sharing works but at least 68 teams in NCAA tournament while going forward only 24 teams in football. I am sure the conferences get a big cut

The teams split 30% of the total tv contract which is just baffling.

 

[hank970]

In order for it to happen for us, several things that were always going to happen needed to not happen.

Alas, it was not close. We were oceans away. Stop torturing yourself.

Plus it’s not even certain that the Big 12 members would have voted us in.

I think it was that close. Yormark would never have visited Storrs if he and the B12 weren't serious about adding UConn, but when the PAC crumbled and the Four-Corner schools suddenly became available, it was an opportunity he couldn't let pass -- not just Arizona, but all of them, as a package. No doubt some B12 members may have concerns about the current state of UConn's football program, but they also know that UConn was able to field competitive teams in the OBE and that the Huskies would be able to regain relevance with B12 money. UConn would be a good addition to the B12 the next time the cards are shuffled, but there are other candidates in the running, as well. You guys really need to up your game over the short term, or at least create the appearance of it, to secure a long term future.

 

[ZooCougar]

I think it was that close. Yormark would never have visited Storrs if he and the B12 weren't serious about adding UConn, but when the PAC crumbled and the Four-Corner schools suddenly became available, it was an opportunity he couldn't let pass -- not just Arizona, but all of them, as a package. No doubt some B12 members may have concerns about the current state of UConn's football program, but they also know that UConn was able to field competitive teams in the OBE and that the Huskies would be able to regain relevance with B12 money. UConn would be a good addition to the B12 the next time the cards are shuffled, but there are other candidates in the running, as well. You guys really need to up your game over the short term, or at least create the appearance of it, to secure a long term future.

Then you believe in folklore.

 

[EROCK CONN]

Not 100 percent sure how the revenue sharing works but at least 68 teams in NCAA tournament while going forward only 24 teams in football. I am sure the conferences get a big cut

The NCAA Tournament's Big Payday - Front Office Sports

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/29/ncaa-basketball-tournament-conference-payouts

According to the above axios link, in 2023 the NCAA paid out 230 million out of $900 million. The front office link says conferences are expecting about $260 million this year. It's absolute insanity the NCAA keeps that much.

 

[ZooCougar]

The NCAA Tournament's Big Payday - Front Office Sports

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/29/ncaa-basketball-tournament-conference-payouts

According to the above axios link, in 2023 the NCAA paid out 230 million out of $900 million. The front office link says conferences are expecting about $260 million this year. It's absolute insanity the NCAA keeps that much.

This is the main way that they make money. The more schools take back from the NCAA, the more they hurt it.

 

[UConnJim]

The NCAA Tournament's Big Payday - Front Office Sports

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/29/ncaa-basketball-tournament-conference-payouts

According to the above axios link, in 2023 the NCAA paid out 230 million out of $900 million. The front office link says conferences are expecting about $260 million this year. It's absolute insanity the NCAA keeps that much.

That is not the whole story. The NCAA Tournament pays for all other sports championships and many other things that benefit all of the schools. The CFP pays for nothing so more money is distributed to the schools. Now that football is a huge moneymaker through the CFP, having the NCAAT subsidize everything the NCAA does seems outdated, but I highly doubt it is going to change.

Many people think the NCAAT media rights are undervalued by the NCAA as they like having the LT media contract which is the same mistake the ACC has made. And one thing that is clear is that the NCAA women's tournament media rights are undervalued and I really can't figure out how the NCAA let that happen.

 

[EROCK CONN]

This is the main way that they make money. The more schools take back from the NCAA, the more they hurt it.

Well, I am no fan of the NCAA. And don’t you realize this arrangement kills the power basketball schools? and there is no single greater victim in this arrangement than UConn. If the basketball schools kept more the of the tv revenue, they would be much more lucrative and thereby more attractive. If the bball schools kept +/- 90% of the NCAA tournament revenue , UConn would be in a power league tomorrow.

 

[ZooCougar]

I wonder how long they can sustain this.

 

[GoConn]

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Not necessarily key but good for College basketball

 

[LoyalFanCT]

I wonder how long they can sustain this.

where does uconn fall on this list?

 

[Kolumbo]

I wonder how long they can sustain this.

Looks like they are making serious investments which have paid off. They moved right to the top of the Sun Belt standings in football and basketball. I wouldn't be surprised if they are serious candidate for whatever happens when the vultures show up for the ACC remains.

 

[Exit 4]

Looks like they are making serious investments which have paid off. They moved right to the top of the Sun Belt standings in football and basketball. I wouldn't be surprised if they are serious candidate for whatever happens when the vultures show up for the ACC remains.

Could fill the map nicely for the ACC remnants. Just keep what they have started going.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Looks like they are making serious investments which have paid off. They moved right to the top of the Sun Belt standings in football and basketball. I wouldn't be surprised if they are serious candidate for whatever happens when the vultures show up for the ACC remains.

They've invested in almost all of their athletic facilities over the past 15 or so years starting with the FB stadium and Performance Center, then all of their other outdoor stadia/fields (baseball, softball, lacrosse, soccer megaplex), and most recently a new basketball arena). So, their facilities are done for a while (unless they expand their FB stadium if/when they need to in order to jump up in conference realignment).